News Article: Sens interested in Tanev

[OD99]

Trading for a 34 UFA who is highly coveted with a big price tag when we are nowhere near the playoffs is comically stupid

GMPD had scheduled releases for emails leading up to the trade deadline. The Senators just need to fix their Office365 and these bizarre rumours will go away.

 

[swiftwin]

That is absolutely insane. You can't have sustainable success without prospect depth. This team isn't close to contending. I can't tell if this is serious or not.

Our prospects are so good they don't remain prospects very long. That's a good thing, not a bad thing. We've had one of the top rookies in the league three years in a row. Claiming that's a bad thing is insane.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

How is it that Tanev already has a photo in a Senators jersey?

 

[bert]

Our prospects are so good they don't remain prospects very long. That's a good thing, not a bad thing. We've had one of the top rookies in the league three years in a row. Claiming that's a bad thing is insane.

Honestly what are you talking about. You quoted my post in no place did I claim having good young players is a bad thing.

I said you need prospect depth to have sustainable success. If you have been a fan of this team for its entire existence there is plenty of proof in that. The only time they had sustained success was because they had a constant flow of prospects on their ELC's. This current team has still yet to have success.... Let alone sustainable.

The teams from 1997 to 2007 had terrific continuity in finding players even if they were good teams. They didnt trade all their picks they didnt panick. When this team stopped being a contender was when Muckler took over, stopped drafing well and traded all the draft capital. Since then this team has been either a celler dweller or a bubble team.

This is a small market team, small market teams need to draft and develop. Thats what they have to get back to. This core is young if you want them to be successful they need prospects coming through the system.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I think JBD's going to be fine defensively, he still makes rookie mistakes but he has shown enough good things to become reliable. It would be better to have him as the 7th guy for now too (send Hamonic to the moon), these guys still end up getting a bunch of games

Dumba on the other hand, his offense has gone down hill immensely and has never been good enough defensively.

Just checked the UFA list for RHDs and this is IMO what our list should be by priority, if they are available of course :

Matt Roy
Brett Pesce
Vincent Desharnais
Dylan DeMelo
Christopher Tanev
Jani Hakanpää
Chad Ruhwedel
Jalen Chatfield
Ilya Lyubushkin
Colin Miller
Robert Bortuzzo

We could even sign 2 of them

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Desharnais
Chychrun - Tanev
JBD

Now that could be quite the defense, and we could afford it... Instead of having Tarasenko/Kubalik eating 7.5 AAV, spend 3.0 on a Joseph type, have an ELC guy like Crookshank and then invest the difference on RD (you also save Brannstrom's 2.0 AAV)

Desharnais would be a big target for me but don't think the Oilers will let him go, although they might have too due to their salary cap structure going forward

Yeah it’s a great list. Kind of ideal honestly when are there this many decent RDs available

Chatfield and lyubushkin nice. Pesce may get a huge raise. Roy may get a raise. Hakanpaa def getting a raise I always liked Colin miller but we may want someone a bit more physical

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I don't think anything will come of this, but I wonder if it's been put out there that Tanev wants to commit wherever he ends up, and that sort of forces the hand of anyone fixated on him specifically.

 

[Sting]

I don't think Staois et al are dumb enough to consider trading a good asset to let him walk as an UFA. He's exactly the type of guy we need though in that top 4. They must also realize the likelihood of him signing with us in the summer is non-existent so probably just gauging extension interest and it'll die off from there.

 

[Xspyrit]

Our prospects are so good they don't remain prospects very long. That's a good thing, not a bad thing. We've had one of the top rookies in the league three years in a row. Claiming that's a bad thing is insane.

There was absolutely NO REASON for a team struggling to get out of its rebuild to go from #1 prospect pool to #31 in less than 3 years...

Yet, Dorion accomplished it, graduations or not.

And it's not because our drafting position has been low in rounds...

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Honestly what are you talking about. You quoted my post in no place did I claim having good young players is a bad thing.

I said you need prospect depth to have sustainable success. If you have been a fan of this team for its entire existence there is plenty of proof in that. The only time they had sustained success was because they had a constant flow of prospects on their ELC's. This current team has still yet to have success.... Let alone sustainable.

The teams from 1997 to 2007 had terrific continuity in finding players even if they were good teams. They didnt trade all their picks they didnt panick. When this team stopped being a contender was when Muckler took over, stopped drafing well and traded all the draft capital. Since then this team has been either a celler dweller or a bubble team.

This is a small market team, small market teams need to draft and develop. Thats what they have to get back to. This core is young if you want them to be successful they need prospects coming through the system.

Absolutely. The effects of Muckler gutting this team of picks and prospects are still being felt today, IMO.

Let's not do that again.

Get a good prospect or pick for Tank (if he waives), maybe get something for Kubalik. Other than that, outside of seeing if someone will give a king's ransom for Chabot at the deadline, we need to just toe the line and start scouting this year's draft.

 

[Sensinitis]

Dumba on the other hand, his offense has gone down hill immensely and has never been good enough defensively.

Just checked the UFA list for RHDs and this is IMO what our list should be by priority, if they are available of course :

Matt Roy
Brett Pesce
Vincent Desharnais
Dylan DeMelo
Christopher Tanev
Jani Hakanpää
Chad Ruhwedel
Jalen Chatfield
Ilya Lyubushkin
Colin Miller
Robert Bortuzzo

DeMelo would be perfect. Not sure if the Jets would let him go, but we already know he has chemistry with Chabot.

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot/Chychrun-DeMelo

Trade one of Chabot or Chychrun for a goalie + top 9 forward.

 

[jbeck5]

He repeats it over and over again trying to discredit him. Its pathetic, he isnt here to actually talk about this team he is gas lighting. He never did it with Dorion who was far less experienced in the hockey world and was also a rookie GM.

Oh ok, interesting. I don't know the history with this poster.

But I do remember many people saying we need to not cheap out and actually get an experienced POHO, an experienced GM and an experienced coach.

We didn't do any of that. We got a rookie president...made him GM (sounds like a Melnyk move to save on money) and then we'll see with the coach.

If the goal was to have staios as GM, why not hire a more experienced POHO instead of having a super thin management team.

So I get his frustration.. now that cheap owner was gone NOW we were supposed to invest in a full cupboard of top of the line POHO and GM but instead we got a rookie and gave him both roles.

So not only is he inexperienced but he's doing 2 jobs.


Isn't that the opposite of expanding our management group and bringing in experience?

 

[Alf Silfversson]

IMO Zub is a better player than Tanev (at this point), so we'd be acquiring a #4 defenseman. One who is 34 years old.

Some might say that we need veteran leadership but we need better players and at 34 Tanev is no longer THAT good. And if we're going for pure leadership I want a guy who has won a Cup (in an important role) or has gone on deep runs. Not a guy with 41 playoff games in 14 seasons.

A 30 year old Tanev would be perfect but he doesn't fit with this team's window. Pass on giving up assets for him.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Our prospects are so good they don't remain prospects very long. That's a good thing, not a bad thing. We've had one of the top rookies in the league three years in a row. Claiming that's a bad thing is insane.

Sure, in some cases. But, we've also been hoping one of our RD prospects will pan out and be able to play in the top 4 for a long time, which is the more specific focus of this conversation.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Oh ok, interesting. I don't know the history with this poster.

But I do remember many people saying we need to not cheap out and actually get an experienced POHO, an experienced GM and an experienced coach.

We didn't do any of that. We got a rookie president...made him GM (sounds like a Melnyk move to save on money) and then we'll see with the coach.

If the goal was to have staios as GM, why not hire a more experienced POHO instead of having a super thin management team.

So I get his frustration.. now that cheap owner was gone NOW we were supposed to invest in a full cupboard of top of the line POHO and GM but instead we got a rookie and gave him both roles.

So not only is he inexperienced but he's doing 2 jobs.


Isn't that the opposite of expanding our management group and bringing in experience?

The other side of this coin is that we might need to wait a bit longer to see what other moves are made, especially with respect to a new GM.

 

[jbeck5]

The other side of this coin is that we might need to wait a bit longer to see what other moves are made, especially with respect to a new GM.

I thought staios is officially GM. Like, he's here until he's fired from his POHO position.

Unless he decides to retire from the roll at some point.

But then why take off the interim tag from him as GM if they're still looking for a GM?

I'm surprised they haven't named him coach too, just to save themselves from having to get an experienced person in management.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I thought staios is officially GM. Like, he's here until he's fired from his POHO position.

Unless he decides to retire from the roll at some point.

But then why take off the interim tag from him as GM if they're still looking for a GM?

I'm surprised they haven't named him coach too, just to save themselves from having to get an experienced person in management.

From everything that is out there, the Senators are still searching for a GM coach. Andlauer said just last week I believe that they contemplated Roy.

Edit - My bad. The Roy thing that Andlauer talked about was for coach.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

From everything that is out there, the Senators are still searching for a GM. Andlauer said just last week I believe that they contemplated Roy.

I think that was in reference to the Coaching position.

I get the impression they're putting the GM seat to bed, temporarily permanent, so as to move forward with a plan. I could still see him stepping back in a year or two, possibly with Bowman stepping in.

He is a rookie GM, but I'm encouraged by the fact that this rookie GM is hired by the new owner. Most important factor.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I think that was in reference to the Coaching position.

I get the impression they're putting the GM seat to bed, temporarily permanent, so as to move forward with a plan. I could still see him stepping back in a year or two, possibly with Bowman stepping in.

He is a rookie GM, but I'm encouraged by the fact that this rookie GM is hired by the new owner. Most important factor.

Ya, my bad. Roy for coach. Guess I'm going back to when Roy had larger ambitions.

 

[armani]

How is it that Tanev already has a photo in a Senators jersey?

Why do you think Alex Burrows is Tanev? I mean look at that sexy mug when he realizes he has to play D in Ottawa:

 

[dumbdick]

Trading for a 34 UFA who is highly coveted with a big price tag when we are nowhere near the playoffs is comically stupid

Tanev is highly coveted and has a big price tag?

I think flames fans are hoping for like a 2nd in return.

 

[jbeck5]

Our prospects are so good they don't remain prospects very long. That's a good thing, not a bad thing. We've had one of the top rookies in the league three years in a row. Claiming that's a bad thing is insane.

Look at our last 3 drafts. Not a single difference maker. We're at the bottom of the conference . We have to forfeit a 1st round pick on-top of this.

Things are looking very grim prospect wise. We suck and don't have any top prospects or a bunch of high draft picks to draft difference makers.

Odds are we'll be stuck as a middle team at best hoping for a lucky run.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Tanev is highly coveted and has a big price tag?

I think flames fans are hoping for like a 2nd in return.

I thought rumors had it more in the 1st + Prospect range?

 

[jbeck5]

Tanev is highly coveted and has a big price tag?

I think flames fans are hoping for like a 2nd in return.

So like the forward version of acquiring Stepan.

Not a good idea.

 

[Tuna99]

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The real quote is:

“The rebuild is done, we are a team and as a team it’s time to start sucking and get me fired”

 

[dumbdick]

That is absolutely insane. You can't have sustainable success without prospect depth. This team isn't close to contending. I can't tell if this is serious or not.

I think this team is getting closer to contending. The talent is there, i think, even if the maturity and attention to detail isn't.

NJD has very comparable GF / GA this season as we do, even though their record is a lot better. And I think they're close to contending.

Where do you think vegas will rank us next year at season start? Bottom ten? Just toss out a number. Go on the record.