News Article: Sens interested in Tanev

[DrEasy]

I'd overpay for Tanev in UFA over trading a 2nd for him and extending him at market value.

How much is the going rate for a 2nd rounder? It used to be $2M back when we traded Zibby.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Same, and I'd be really hesitant to even give Tanev a market value deal.

We need a guy like 2016-2022 Tanev, that's his 27-32 year old seasons, I don't think 2024-2027 Tanev is remotely close to that.

The cliff comes, and it comes fast.

I'm a queasy about it as well. There's a scenario where he could be a good add but it depends on a lot of factors, including those unrelated to Tanev (e.x. goaltending, Chychrun, term to Pinto, etc)

If anything we'd need to overpay more to have him extend immediately on a bottom feeder instead of getting traded to a cup contender and having a chance to win.

And on top of that a 2nd round pick doesn't get Tanev. Almost certainly would cost the BOS 1st, maybe more.

I know lol. It's a hypothetical. Like "I'd rather get hit by a truck than mauled by a polar bear". I don't want or expected either one to happen. The fact that, as you point out, the conditions I laid out are extremely optimistic is to show how bad of an idea it is to pay major assets for him.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

How much is the going rate for a 2nd rounder? It used to be $2M back when we traded Zibby.

I'll do the math. 2nd ($2mil) + Derek Stepan ($6.5mil) = $8.5 mil? Lol jk.

 

[DrEasy]

I'll do the math. 2nd ($2mil) + Derek Stepan ($6.5mil) = $8.5 mil? Lol jk.

And factor in the negative value he provided on the ice.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

And factor in the negative value he provided on the ice.

Well, I guess to be fair, his bonus was paid, so more like $2 mil salary.

Lets call it about a round $5 million sunk cost. I think that's reasonable.

Sometimes trying to find a bargain ends up more expensive in the end.

 

[jbeck5]

That's how often I come to this website - once a week or less. Bye bye.


Yep, most likely.

It doesn't matter how often you frequent.

If you were serious about not wanting to continue, you wouldn't notice the post from a week ago and necro the argument to start up again.

Besides, it was fairly obvious about the comparison made. The fact you didn't get that is more telling about you.

I believe they have a sound to describe this:

"Woosh!"

 

[Alex1234]

I don't think Tanev is the guy they should be going for, regardless, and don't think they will be.

He's 35, and will cost significant pieces to pick him up. The Sens are in no position to be trading away future assets, they need to be trading away players for future assets.

Tanev is the type of D we need, not the exact D we need. He's not getting any better, on the contrary, he will be getting worse.

This summer, the draft especially, is the time to add a RD, when they aren't in the midst of a losing season with high 1st's and 2nd's already queued up.

Get a guy through UFA, or use the Bos 1st + whatever we get in futures this trade deadline to shop for a guy on the right side.

Trading pieces for a 34 year old is insane for this team

THIS

 

[Wondercarrot]

Brett Pesce seems like the right guy but…you know, he’s got to also want to come here lol

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Brett Pesce seems like the right guy but…you know, he’s got to also want to come here lol

He’s also due for a raise I think. He may be the most sought after RD

 

[Alex1234]

Second last in the conference
Not a RD away from anything
Keep the f..ing picks
If a team wants to buy high on Chychrun, Tank, Norris, Chabot...Go

 

[Wondercarrot]

Second last in the conference
Not a RD away from anything
Keep the f..ing picks
If a team wants to buy high on Chychrun, Tank, Norris, Chabot...Go

I don’t think this season represents what this team will do next year.
Don’t really give a shit about the 32nd pick overall, rather have Tanev.

 

[BondraTime]

Second last in the conference
Not a RD away from anything
Keep the f..ing picks
If a team wants to buy high on Chychrun, Tank, Norris, Chabot...Go

We trade anything of value for Tanev it is a big mistake.

You don't trade value for 35 year olds on the downswing. It makes absolutely zero sense for a team not trying to win THIS YEAR to trade for a 34/35 year old.

There are 13 D in the league this year at age 35, only 13. 80+% of them have taken gigantic steps backwards as they aged, which is just common sense.

J. Johnson
E. Johnson
K. Shattenkirk
B. Smith (birthday yesterday)
M. Staal
J. Petry
B. Burns
A. Martinez
Vlasic
Goligoski
Suter
Letang

We can't be trading good value for him, and then sign him through his 35-37/8 year old seasons.

It makes zero sense, it's such a high risk for such a small payoff.

We are at the time where we start to see some dropoffs from guys like Karlsson, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Carlsson, Josi, Hedman, etc. over the next season or two. There will still be guys playing well 3ish years, like the Letangs and Suters, but these guys are for the most part all going to be dropping like flies over the next couple of seasons.

A last place team trading for a UFA and signing him to a UFA deal through his 35-37/38 seasons is an incredibly bad idea.

 

[Tuna99]

I don’t think this season represents what this team will do next year.
Don’t really give a shit about the 32nd pick overall, rather have Tanev.

Chris Campoli

 

[UglyPuckling]

You need to be clear about what you want to say. It's not my job to do this. Say what you mean, and mean what you say. Stepan was going downward and was in the cusp of his career. Tanev is playing at a very high level this year. They are not comparable. Not going to continue with a back & forth on this.

Yes, I would agree. Tanev is having a very good year, while Stepan was pretty much washed out when we acquired him. It was a pretty lame comparison for that poster to make. I suspect subsequent posts are an attempt by the other poster to draw attention away from his bad post.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I really don't think this is going to happen but I wouldn't be shocked if he was signed in the summer. Wise or not. They said they're bringing in veteran players and I'm not sure that meant 29/30 year olds.

Since we all know the number 1 UFA in Pesce is not coming to Ottawa, what do the best ~30 year old UFA options look?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Yes, I would agree. Tanev is having a very good year, while Stepan was pretty much washed out when we acquired him. It was a pretty lame comparison for that poster to make. I suspect subsequent posts are an attempt to draw attention away from the bad post.

The second for stepan was the most brainless trade Dorion ever made. Like he’s mad bad ones. But all could at least have some sort of explanation? The stepan deal was like. Man. It’s like he just always liked stepan and was going to get him no matter what.

 

[BondraTime]

I really don't think this is going to happen but I wouldn't be shocked if he was signed in the summer. Wise or not. They said they're bringing in veteran players and I'm not sure that's 29/30 year olds.

Since we all know the number 1 UFA in Pesce is not coming to Ottawa, what do the best ~30 year old UFA options look?

Tyler Myers	VAN	UFA	34.0	D	6' 8"	229	R	51	3	16	19				$6,000,000
Nikita Zaitsev	CHI	UFA	32.2	D	6' 2"	192	R	26	2	5	7				$4,500,000
Chris Tanev	CGY	UFA	34.1	D	6' 2"	193	R	48	1	9	10				$4,500,000
Tyson Barrie	NSH	UFA	32.5	D	5' 11"	197	R	32	1	10	11				$4,500,000
John Klingberg	TOR	UFA	31.4	D	6' 3"	190	R	14		5	5				$4,150,000
Brett Pesce	CAR	UFA	29.2	D	6' 4"	197	R	41	3	4	7				$4,025,000
Mathew Dumba	ARI	UFA	29.5	D	6' 0"	181	R	45	2	3	5				$3,900,000
Brandon Montour	FLA	UFA	29.8	D	6' 0"	194	R	35	2	9	11				$3,500,000
Erik Johnson	BUF	UFA	35.8	D	6' 4"	225	R	42	3		3				$3,250,000
Matt Roy	LAK	UFA	28.9	D	6' 1"	205	R	47	2	12	14				$3,150,000
Dylan Demelo	WPG	UFA	30.8	D	6' 1"	194	R	49	1	14	15				$3,000,000
Justin Schultz	SEA	UFA	33.6	D	6' 2"	190	R	42	4	12	16				$3,000,000
Ilya Lyubushkin	ANA	UFA	29.8	D	6' 1"	204	R	47		4	4				$2,750,000
Sean Walker	PHI	UFA	29.2	D	5' 11"	195	R	52	5	14	19				$2,650,000
Alex Carrier	NSH	UFA	32.9	D	5' 11"	174	R	46	4	10	14				$2,500,000
Colin Miller	NJD	UFA	31.2	D	6' 1"	200	R	29	2	4	6				$1,850,000
Anthony DeAngelo	CAR	UFA	28.2	D	5' 11"	180	R	22	2	7	9				$1,675,000
Jani Hakanpaa	DAL	UFA	31.8	D	6' 6"	225	R	51	2	6	8				$1,500,000
Philippe Myers	TBL	UFA	27.0	D	6' 6"	219	R	5							$1,400,000
Joshua Brown	ARI	UFA	30.0	D	6' 5"	217	R	28	1	4	5				$1,275,000
Troy Stecher	ARI	UFA	29.8	D	5' 10"	184	R	42	1	4	5				$1,100,000
Kevin Shattenkirk	BOS	UFA	35.0	D	6' 0"	203	R	42	5	8	13				$1,050,000
Robert Bortuzzo	NYI	UFA	34.8	D	6' 4"	216	R	15							$950,000
Zach Bogosian	TBL	UFA	33.5	D	6' 2"	222	R	38	1	7	8				$850,000
Chad Ruhwedel	PIT	UFA	33.8	D	5' 11"	191	R	33	1	1	2

I'd be going very hard after Carrier, Roy and Hakanpaa for a 3/4 year deal. Brings them to age 32, 32 and 35. Carrier is going to be the steal of the UFA period. I'd offer him a 6/7 year deal.

All 3 could be very stable top 4 defensive D getting 19ish mins per night, not breaking the bank, and not headed for a decline in the immediate future. With Chabot playing up and down the ice opposite them, it makes for a very well balanced unit, both in talent and cap.

 

[Boud]

The second for stepan was the most brainless trade Dorion ever made. Like he’s mad bad ones. But all could at least have some sort of explanation? The stepan deal was like. Man. It’s like he just always liked stepan and was going to get him no matter what.

Yea that was such a a dumb trade. Pretty much everyone was on the same page that trading Stepan should've resulted in a pick going to the team acquiring him. Not many teams could've acquired him at his cap hit. It was a bad miscalculation on the market value for him.

That's besides the fact that he was already extremely slow and that Dorion had planned for us to use him *on the 2nd line*. A little pro scouting wouldn't have hurt, Stepan was known to be a guy who didn't take training and nutrition very seriously on top of it. He was going to be a "good pro" for us. The irony is just incredible. Anyone with half a brain could've done better.

They acquired him to be a veteran leader. Just goes to show how bad a GM Dorion really is. Horrible horrible trade. That and the Hoffman trade for Boedker instead of picks and then Hoffman traded to FLA for those exact same picks was a straight disrespect to human intelligence.

 

[BondraTime]

Yea that was such a a dumb trade. Pretty much everyone was on the same page that trading Stepan should've resulted in a pick going to the team acquiring him. Not many teams could've acquired him at his cap hit. It was a bad miscalculation on the market value for him.

That's besides the fact that he was already extremely slow and that Dorion had planned for us to use him *on the 2nd line*. A little pro scouting wouldn't have hurt, Stepan was known to be a guy who didn't take training and nutrition very seriously on top of it. He was going to be a "good pro" for us. The irony is just incredible. Anyone with half a brain could've done better.

They acquired him to be a veteran leader. Just goes to show how bad a GM Dorion really is. Horrible horrible trade. That and the Hoffman trade for Boedker instead of picks and then Hoffman traded to FLA for those exact same picks was a straight disrespect to human intelligence.

It's even funnier when you see that the Sharks traded the Sens the picks they got for Hoffman in the deal for Karlsson 2 months later, as well as giving up a higher pick to the Sharks in the initial Hoffman deal than they gave to the Sens

It was a masterclass of failure with Hoffman

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Tyler Myers	VAN	UFA	34.0	D	6' 8"	229	R	51	3	16	19				$6,000,000
Nikita Zaitsev	CHI	UFA	32.2	D	6' 2"	192	R	26	2	5	7				$4,500,000
Chris Tanev	CGY	UFA	34.1	D	6' 2"	193	R	48	1	9	10				$4,500,000
Tyson Barrie	NSH	UFA	32.5	D	5' 11"	197	R	32	1	10	11				$4,500,000
John Klingberg	TOR	UFA	31.4	D	6' 3"	190	R	14		5	5				$4,150,000
Brett Pesce	CAR	UFA	29.2	D	6' 4"	197	R	41	3	4	7				$4,025,000
Mathew Dumba	ARI	UFA	29.5	D	6' 0"	181	R	45	2	3	5				$3,900,000
Brandon Montour	FLA	UFA	29.8	D	6' 0"	194	R	35	2	9	11				$3,500,000
Erik Johnson	BUF	UFA	35.8	D	6' 4"	225	R	42	3		3				$3,250,000
Matt Roy	LAK	UFA	28.9	D	6' 1"	205	R	47	2	12	14				$3,150,000
Dylan Demelo	WPG	UFA	30.8	D	6' 1"	194	R	49	1	14	15				$3,000,000
Justin Schultz	SEA	UFA	33.6	D	6' 2"	190	R	42	4	12	16				$3,000,000
Ilya Lyubushkin	ANA	UFA	29.8	D	6' 1"	204	R	47		4	4				$2,750,000
Sean Walker	PHI	UFA	29.2	D	5' 11"	195	R	52	5	14	19				$2,650,000
Alex Carrier	NSH	UFA	32.9	D	5' 11"	174	R	46	4	10	14				$2,500,000
Colin Miller	NJD	UFA	31.2	D	6' 1"	200	R	29	2	4	6				$1,850,000
Anthony DeAngelo	CAR	UFA	28.2	D	5' 11"	180	R	22	2	7	9				$1,675,000
Jani Hakanpaa	DAL	UFA	31.8	D	6' 6"	225	R	51	2	6	8				$1,500,000
Philippe Myers	TBL	UFA	27.0	D	6' 6"	219	R	5							$1,400,000
Joshua Brown	ARI	UFA	30.0	D	6' 5"	217	R	28	1	4	5				$1,275,000
Troy Stecher	ARI	UFA	29.8	D	5' 10"	184	R	42	1	4	5				$1,100,000
Kevin Shattenkirk	BOS	UFA	35.0	D	6' 0"	203	R	42	5	8	13				$1,050,000
Robert Bortuzzo	NYI	UFA	34.8	D	6' 4"	216	R	15							$950,000
Zach Bogosian	TBL	UFA	33.5	D	6' 2"	222	R	38	1	7	8				$850,000
Chad Ruhwedel	PIT	UFA	33.8	D	5' 11"	191	R	33	1	1	2

I'd be going very hard after Carrier, Roy and Hakanpaa for a 3/4 year deal. Brings them to age 32, 32 and 35. Carrier is going to be the steal of the UFA period. I'd offer him a 6/7 year deal.

All 3 could be very stable top 4 defensive D getting 19ish mins per night, not breaking the bank, and not headed for a decline in the immediate future. With Chabot playing up and down the ice opposite them, it makes for a very well balanced unit, both in talent and cap.

Much appreciated! Seems like some decent options available, at least the ones you've highlighted.

 

[Alex1234]

I don’t think this season represents what this team will do next year.
Don’t really give a shit about the 32nd pick overall, rather have Tanev.

Unfortunatly no points are given to “should have” in the NHL
Dont mean to be rude but that’s Dohrion vision 100% wich led us to this mess of a season
A season far worst than the last one
Believe me, baring a miracle , teams dont jump from 28th in the league to contenders in a season or 2

 

[Wondercarrot]

Unfortunatly no points are given to “should have” in the NHL
Dont mean to be rude but that’s Dohrion vision 100% wich led us to this mess of a season
A season far worst than the last one
Believe me, baring a miracle , teams dont jump from 28th in the league to contenders in a season or 2

I’m not giving out any points this year.
I’m saying I expect next year to not resemble this year in the slightest.
Nor do I believe they will finish 28th this year, I expect they will finish between 22-26th

You are welcome to believe they will suck again.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

In order of my preferences:

Montour
Pesce
Roy
Colin Miller
Demelo
Walker
Myers

Tyler Myers	VAN	UFA	34.0	D	6' 8"	229	R	51	3	16	19				$6,000,000
Nikita Zaitsev	CHI	UFA	32.2	D	6' 2"	192	R	26	2	5	7				$4,500,000
Chris Tanev	CGY	UFA	34.1	D	6' 2"	193	R	48	1	9	10				$4,500,000
Tyson Barrie	NSH	UFA	32.5	D	5' 11"	197	R	32	1	10	11				$4,500,000
John Klingberg	TOR	UFA	31.4	D	6' 3"	190	R	14		5	5				$4,150,000
Brett Pesce	CAR	UFA	29.2	D	6' 4"	197	R	41	3	4	7				$4,025,000
Mathew Dumba	ARI	UFA	29.5	D	6' 0"	181	R	45	2	3	5				$3,900,000
Brandon Montour	FLA	UFA	29.8	D	6' 0"	194	R	35	2	9	11				$3,500,000
Erik Johnson	BUF	UFA	35.8	D	6' 4"	225	R	42	3		3				$3,250,000
Matt Roy	LAK	UFA	28.9	D	6' 1"	205	R	47	2	12	14				$3,150,000
Dylan Demelo	WPG	UFA	30.8	D	6' 1"	194	R	49	1	14	15				$3,000,000
Justin Schultz	SEA	UFA	33.6	D	6' 2"	190	R	42	4	12	16				$3,000,000
Ilya Lyubushkin	ANA	UFA	29.8	D	6' 1"	204	R	47		4	4				$2,750,000
Sean Walker	PHI	UFA	29.2	D	5' 11"	195	R	52	5	14	19				$2,650,000
Alex Carrier	NSH	UFA	32.9	D	5' 11"	174	R	46	4	10	14				$2,500,000
Colin Miller	NJD	UFA	31.2	D	6' 1"	200	R	29	2	4	6				$1,850,000
Anthony DeAngelo	CAR	UFA	28.2	D	5' 11"	180	R	22	2	7	9				$1,675,000
Jani Hakanpaa	DAL	UFA	31.8	D	6' 6"	225	R	51	2	6	8				$1,500,000
Philippe Myers	TBL	UFA	27.0	D	6' 6"	219	R	5							$1,400,000
Joshua Brown	ARI	UFA	30.0	D	6' 5"	217	R	28	1	4	5				$1,275,000
Troy Stecher	ARI	UFA	29.8	D	5' 10"	184	R	42	1	4	5				$1,100,000
Kevin Shattenkirk	BOS	UFA	35.0	D	6' 0"	203	R	42	5	8	13				$1,050,000
Robert Bortuzzo	NYI	UFA	34.8	D	6' 4"	216	R	15							$950,000
Zach Bogosian	TBL	UFA	33.5	D	6' 2"	222	R	38	1	7	8				$850,000
Chad Ruhwedel	PIT	UFA	33.8	D	5' 11"	191	R	33	1	1	2

I'd be going very hard after Carrier, Roy and Hakanpaa for a 3/4 year deal. Brings them to age 32, 32 and 35. Carrier is going to be the steal of the UFA period. I'd offer him a 6/7 year deal.

All 3 could be very stable top 4 defensive D getting 19ish mins per night, not breaking the bank, and not headed for a decline in the immediate future. With Chabot playing up and down the ice opposite them, it makes for a very well balanced unit, both in talent and cap.

Roy yes, but Carrier and Hakanpaa aren't more than top-6 D on a winning team.

 

[Loach]

Tyler Myers	VAN	UFA	34.0	D	6' 8"	229	R	51	3	16	19				$6,000,000
Nikita Zaitsev	CHI	UFA	32.2	D	6' 2"	192	R	26	2	5	7				$4,500,000
Chris Tanev	CGY	UFA	34.1	D	6' 2"	193	R	48	1	9	10				$4,500,000
Tyson Barrie	NSH	UFA	32.5	D	5' 11"	197	R	32	1	10	11				$4,500,000
John Klingberg	TOR	UFA	31.4	D	6' 3"	190	R	14		5	5				$4,150,000
Brett Pesce	CAR	UFA	29.2	D	6' 4"	197	R	41	3	4	7				$4,025,000
Mathew Dumba	ARI	UFA	29.5	D	6' 0"	181	R	45	2	3	5				$3,900,000
Brandon Montour	FLA	UFA	29.8	D	6' 0"	194	R	35	2	9	11				$3,500,000
Erik Johnson	BUF	UFA	35.8	D	6' 4"	225	R	42	3		3				$3,250,000
Matt Roy	LAK	UFA	28.9	D	6' 1"	205	R	47	2	12	14				$3,150,000
Dylan Demelo	WPG	UFA	30.8	D	6' 1"	194	R	49	1	14	15				$3,000,000
Justin Schultz	SEA	UFA	33.6	D	6' 2"	190	R	42	4	12	16				$3,000,000
Ilya Lyubushkin	ANA	UFA	29.8	D	6' 1"	204	R	47		4	4				$2,750,000
Sean Walker	PHI	UFA	29.2	D	5' 11"	195	R	52	5	14	19				$2,650,000
Alex Carrier	NSH	UFA	32.9	D	5' 11"	174	R	46	4	10	14				$2,500,000
Colin Miller	NJD	UFA	31.2	D	6' 1"	200	R	29	2	4	6				$1,850,000
Anthony DeAngelo	CAR	UFA	28.2	D	5' 11"	180	R	22	2	7	9				$1,675,000
Jani Hakanpaa	DAL	UFA	31.8	D	6' 6"	225	R	51	2	6	8				$1,500,000
Philippe Myers	TBL	UFA	27.0	D	6' 6"	219	R	5							$1,400,000
Joshua Brown	ARI	UFA	30.0	D	6' 5"	217	R	28	1	4	5				$1,275,000
Troy Stecher	ARI	UFA	29.8	D	5' 10"	184	R	42	1	4	5				$1,100,000
Kevin Shattenkirk	BOS	UFA	35.0	D	6' 0"	203	R	42	5	8	13				$1,050,000
Robert Bortuzzo	NYI	UFA	34.8	D	6' 4"	216	R	15							$950,000
Zach Bogosian	TBL	UFA	33.5	D	6' 2"	222	R	38	1	7	8				$850,000
Chad Ruhwedel	PIT	UFA	33.8	D	5' 11"	191	R	33	1	1	2

I'd be going very hard after Carrier, Roy and Hakanpaa for a 3/4 year deal. Brings them to age 32, 32 and 35. Carrier is going to be the steal of the UFA period. I'd offer him a 6/7 year deal.

All 3 could be very stable top 4 defensive D getting 19ish mins per night, not breaking the bank, and not headed for a decline in the immediate future. With Chabot playing up and down the ice opposite them, it makes for a very well balanced unit, both in talent and cap.

Trade chabot, sign 2 out of 3 of the guys you want, resign Chychrun @ 7.5. Done.

 

[BondraTime]

In order of my preferences:

Montour
Pesce
Roy
Colin Miller
Demelo
Walker
Myers



Roy yes, but Carrier and Hakanpaa aren't more than top-6 D on a winning team.

Hakanpaa just played top 4 D, with 15 seconds less than Lindell, on a team that lost 4-2 in the conference finals, and is currently on the shutdown pair with Lindell on the 2nd place team in the West.

I'd rather Carrier over all guys, guy can flat out play. 19 mins in a defensive role next to Chabot, he'd thrive. Not big, but smart and great defensively. He’s getting looked over because he’s not a big name and a late bloomer.

Trade chabot, sign 2 out of 3 of the guys you want, resign Chychrun @ 7.5. Done.

Would keep Chabot over Chychrun, sign one, personally.