Prospect Info: Senators Prospect Talk 2014-2015 Part I

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Paul = Laich?

Jamie Benn lite

 

[Six Assets]

Jamie Benn lite

i was expecting this

 

[mianjo]

Nick Paul survived the first cuts with Team Canada and had an assist in todays 6-0 win over CIS All Stars.

 

[BonkTastic]

Nick Paul survived the first cuts with Team Canada and had an assist in todays 6-0 win over CIS All Stars.

Link for anyone who is interested.

Releasing a player with world junior experience is nearly unprecedented, but Team Canada did just that by including defenceman Chris Bigras in its initial round of cuts.

The Colorado Avalanche prospect and Philadelphia Flyers first-rounder Travis Sanheim were the two trimmed from the back end. Wings Nick Baptiste, Rémi Elie and Morgan Klimchuk were also released. Canada is down to 15 forwards and eight defencemen with five days left before its first world junior championship exhibition game vs. Russia on Friday at Air Canada Centre. Canada will have 13 and seven, along with two goalies, on the final roster that doesn't have to set until Dec. 25.

 

[Oil For The Boys]

Miles Gendron was cut from Team West at the WJAC, not sure if it has been mentioned before. Starting to put up more points in the BCHL though.

 

[Lenny the Lynx]

yeah probably. but still surprised/impressed that lindberg has a couple more pts than paul. now very interested to see how both progress. could have 2 good players here.

We aren't allowed to get excited about Lindberg yet. Hype police are monitoring it.
Paul is fine though

 

[Micklebot]

We aren't allowed to get excited about Lindberg yet. Hype police are monitoring it.
Paul is fine though

He's on pace for somewhere around 80-90 pts (assuming he plays 60-70 games. As a 19 yr old Stone put up 123. Hoffman put up 85, but in fewer games and Prince 90 in 56.

I'd give him the benefit of the doubt because it's his 1st year in NA, but I don't think he's a two way force like Paul, at least from what I've seen and read. He's certainly good some good assets (size, speed) so potential is probably there, but I wasn't all that impressed from my (extremely) limited viewings and his numbers don't wow me.

That said, definately a nice find for a 4th round pick.

 

[Proust*]

Paul is going to be a bubble player... I say 50/50 he makes the team. I watched him play the CIS All-Star team yesterday and he was ok.

 

[starling]

Lindberg has Dal Colle and Cassels on his team to help him racking up those points. Paul has to rely on himself most of the time.

 

[starling]

Got to watch Oshawa-Guelph last night. Was happy to see Harpur use his size along the boards and actually throw other kids around. I remember in his draft year lack of physical play was a knock on him.
In the last minutes of that game Harpur caught up with Lindberg on the back check and drove him into the bench. Got a penalty on that play for crosscheck(rather weak call) but that was still pretty impressive.

 

[Icelevel]

Lindberg has Dal Colle and Cassels on his team to help him racking up those points. Paul has to rely on himself most of the time.

exactly. switch them up and paul's numbers would be way higher(speculation)

 

[aragorn]

Ottawa has a few prospects I think have potential in Paul, Lindberg, Harpur, Shore & Hogberg.

 

[Icelevel]

Ottawa has a few prospects I think have potential in Paul, Lindberg, Harpur, Shore & Hogberg.

........englund, wikstrand, .....perron?

 

[aragorn]

........englund, wikstrand, .....perron?

Englund maybe.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Englund maybe.

He is the only player out of the 3 who are over 6 feet after all.

 

[Emerica]

........englund, wikstrand, .....perron?

Too small man...

 

[Micklebot]

He is the only player out of the 3 who are over 6 feet after all.

Shore is 6'1, maybe if he has a growth spurt before his 21st bday he'll have a shot.

 

[Real Smart Sens Fan]

He is the only player out of the 3 who are over 6 feet after all.

Also the only player out of the 3 who was drafted earlier than the 196th pick.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

He is the only player out of the 3 who are over 6 feet after all.

Also the highest drafted.. the most highly regarded of the three.

 

[Xspyrit]

Ottawa has a few prospects I think have potential in Paul, Lindberg, Harpur, Shore & Hogberg.

Prince, Pageau, Puempel, Claesson, Schneider, Robinson, Claesson, Driedger, etc are busts?

He's on pace for somewhere around 80-90 pts (assuming he plays 60-70 games. As a 19 yr old Stone put up 123. Hoffman put up 85, but in fewer games and Prince 90 in 56.

I'd give him the benefit of the doubt because it's his 1st year in NA, but I don't think he's a two way force like Paul, at least from what I've seen and read. He's certainly good some good assets (size, speed) so potential is probably there, but I wasn't all that impressed from my (extremely) limited viewings and his numbers don't wow me.

That said, definately a nice find for a 4th round pick.

I have also read that it's getting harder to put up big numbers in the OHL, not sure about this, it would be interesting to see where the OHL scoring is heading over the years... Could only find this :

http://www.dropyourgloves.com/Stat/LeagueGoals.aspx?League=9

Stops in 2009-10


Nick Paul is 24th in OHL scoring, 2pts behind 18th, which is also better than several higher draft picks over the last few years... So far, Paul is proving to be worth a late first round pick IMO. He is just starting to breakout too, so it depends on his learning curve, but that sounds "Mark Stone" a bit.

A bit early to tell what Guptill is but Chiasson (1st) + Paul (1st) + high 2nd (great draft) + Guptill could be a good package for 1 year of Spezza (we were going to lose him to UFA) in a season where the team is not a contender...

 

[starling]

Ottawa has a few prospects I think have potential in Paul, Lindberg, Harpur, Shore & Hogberg.

No Robinson? What is wrong with you?

 

[aragorn]

Prince, Pageau, Puempel, Claesson, Schneider, Robinson, Claesson, Driedger, etc are busts?





I have also read that it's getting harder to put up big numbers in the OHL, not sure about this, it would be interesting to see where the OHL scoring is heading over the years... Could only find this :

http://www.dropyourgloves.com/Stat/LeagueGoals.aspx?League=9

Stops in 2009-10


Nick Paul is 24th in OHL scoring, 2pts behind 18th, which is also better than several higher draft picks over the last few years... So far, Paul is proving to be worth a late first round pick IMO. He is just starting to breakout too, so it depends on his learning curve, but that sounds "Mark Stone" a bit.

A bit early to tell what Guptill is but Chiasson (1st) + Paul (1st) + high 2nd (great draft) + Guptill could be a good package for 1 year of Spezza (we were going to lose him to UFA) in a season where the team is not a contender...

The conversation above my post was about those guys so I carried on that conversation. So what I meant was the prospects who have not yet turned professional or not playing in Bingo but in junior, NCAA or Sweden. Of the guys in Bingo I think have the potential to eventually make the Ottawa team are Puempel, Robinson, Grant, Claesson & Pageau although I don't see either Pageau or Prince being long term players in Ottawa but likely somewhere else. I think the organization will keep Lazar over Pageau & Puempel over Prince, just my take. Not because of size but I think the organization has a preference for these two which they drafted in the first round over the other two they drafted in the second round. Again just an opinion.

I like your observation that Paul could be like a Mark Stone & I had the same sort of comparison not that they play alike but having another good scoring big body on the left side would be nice.

 

[Xspyrit]

The conversation above my post was about those guys so I carried on that conversation. So what I meant was the prospects who have not yet turned professional or not playing in Bingo but in junior, NCAA or Sweden. Of the guys in Bingo I think have the potential to eventually make the Ottawa team are Puempel, Robinson, Grant, Claesson & Pageau although I don't see either Pageau or Prince being long term players in Ottawa but likely somewhere else. I think the organization will keep Lazar over Pageau & Puempel over Prince, just my take. Not because of size but I think the organization has a preference for these two which they drafted in the first round over the other two they drafted in the second round. Again just an opinion.

I like your observation that Paul could be like a Mark Stone & I had the same sort of comparison not that they play alike but having another good scoring big body on the left side would be nice.

Oh ok, I didn't know the context as I read very few HF nowadays...

I understand your opinion on Prince and Pageau... Not saying I'm sure what will happen but yeah, at some point they won't be able to play everyone. Team has been producing several NHL players over the last few years so it's a good problem to have... which was what forced the team to eventually rebuild in 2010-11, prospect pool has went weaker and weaker for years, up until they selected Karlsson in 2008, but it was too late at this point, window was closing.

Ya that's a bit what I meant when using Mark Stone, not similar players but could see a similar learning curve and both could good quality players for this team.

 

[aragorn]

Oh ok, I didn't know the context as I read very few HF nowadays...

I understand your opinion on Prince and Pageau... Not saying I'm sure what will happen but yeah, at some point they won't be able to play everyone. Team has been producing several NHL players over the last few years so it's a good problem to have... which was what forced the team to eventually rebuild in 2010-11, prospect pool has went weaker and weaker for years, up until they selected Karlsson in 2008, but it was too late at this point, window was closing.

Ya that's a bit what I meant when using Mark Stone, not similar players but could see a similar learning curve and both could good quality players for this team.

Paul is scoring in junior right now & of course we have no idea how that will translate by the time he gets to the pros. It will be interesting next yr when he is in Bingo to see how he does, especially if he can continue to score as Stone did. I think a big difference in those two is that Stone is such a good playmaker too & has as many assists as goals. That feature reminds me of Heatley who also had as many assists as goals & he too was known as a goal scorer. IMO Paul could be a 3rd line player with 2nd line potential but who knows he could be another diamond in the rough like Stone is.

I'm also interested to see how Lindberg does in Bingo against bigger competition & a rougher style & whether he can handle that, he certainly has very good speed, skill & good size. Harpur is a defenceman that IMO has advanced his development quite a bit since he was drafted & that's something that I like to see in a prospect that they keep developing. While he needs to still work on his skating he has developed a bit of a nasty edge & that is a quality he will need to make it to the NHL. If I recall he led the prospects in scoring at the rookie tournament this past summer too.

I like those three & Hogberg who I thought was a Lehner clone at the development camp & played very well. I could see him backing up Lehner in the future more so than Dreidger who I was disappointed in at camp. Remember I was the only guy to say I thought Dreidger would start the season in the ECHL instead of Bingo & took a lot of crap on here for that but it ended up happening because he wasn't very good at camp. There are a few other guys I like but we'll leave it at that for now. Hey, have a Merry Christmas & all the best in the New Year. Joyeux Noel.

 

[Xspyrit]

Paul is scoring in junior right now & of course we have no idea how that will translate by the time he gets to the pros. It will be interesting next yr when he is in Bingo to see how he does, especially if he can continue to score as Stone did. I think a big difference in those two is that Stone is such a good playmaker too & has as many assists as goals. That feature reminds me of Heatley who also had as many assists as goals & he too was known as a goal scorer. IMO Paul could be a 3rd line player with 2nd line potential but who knows he could be another diamond in the rough like Stone is.

I'm also interested to see how Lindberg does in Bingo against bigger competition & a rougher style & whether he can handle that, he certainly has very good speed, skill & good size. Harpur is a defenceman that IMO has advanced his development quite a bit since he was drafted & that's something that I like to see in a prospect that they keep developing. While he needs to still work on his skating he has developed a bit of a nasty edge & that is a quality he will need to make it to the NHL. If I recall he led the prospects in scoring at the rookie tournament this past summer too.

I like those three & Hogberg who I thought was a Lehner clone at the development camp & played very well. I could see him backing up Lehner in the future more so than Dreidger who I was disappointed in at camp. Remember I was the only guy to say I thought Dreidger would start the season in the ECHL instead of Bingo & took a lot of crap on here for that but it ended up happening because he wasn't very good at camp. There are a few other guys I like but we'll leave it at that for now. Hey, have a Merry Christmas & all the best in the New Year. Joyeux Noel.

hehe I know you take a lot of crap but I respect that you stand by your positions, and you end up right most if the time anyway. I agree most of the time with you, except when size takes over tenacity for a player. Example, Pageau is small but plays with an edge, he won't have any problem playing in the NHL

Merry xmas too for you and all your family!