GDT: Senators @ Flames | 9PM | TSN2, SNW, RDS | The Turnstile of Turncoat Turnarounds Edition

[HSF]

Giroux having his best season in years kind of ruins that theory.

Giroux knows the game too well and has switched teams before

 

[Burrowsaurus]

There seems to be zero difference in here.

Let’s be honest, we lost most games in November by 1 goal, in games that we were in to the end, and look at the reactions in here. We had so many advanced stats in the top of the league, and yet lots of people gave up on the team.

These last losses have looked waaaaay worse, but the response in here is still the same.

People gave up on the team because realistically we put ourselves in a terrible hole.

I don't get a chance to watch a lot of the games and I guess I am lucky in a sense as the majority of the few games I've seen featured very little in what you have described.

I never suggested that Sens need elite goaltending, I am of the belief they need goaltending that is dependable and consistent; keep things steady. This year its been anything but that, be it because of the injuries, bad luck or whatever else it might be, its been inconsistent and not dependable. Mix that with a young D group and the result will often resemble those of the last few games.

Maybe you have played organized hockey maybe you haven't. My guess is you have not because if you had you would know just how much impact goalies have on the players especially the dman. 50% of the game is mental and not knowing what version of the goalie will show up and knowing how bad it will be if the bad versions shows up, messes with the mind. Trying to hard to not screw up normally leads to screwing up even more, overthinking sets inn, followed by bone headed plays. The Sens d group is still relatively inexperienced as a whole so there will be growing pains... not solely blaming the goalies but far too often the d gets unfairly torched ...some of the goals that went inn the past few games have weeeeaaaakk...no matter how bad the d is an NHL goalie can't multiple games in a row with a SV% 0.850 and a GAA over 5...that simply a job not well done

As someone that does not get a chance to watch a lot of the games, I do look at stats of then, advanced stat more so these days. It pretty cool just how information is recorded and available to analyze. So I do use statistics as the basis of my opinions. I agree that watching the game on TV paints a different picture then the one recorder numbers on a piece of paper do; statistically the SENS are D group is not bad at all, but our goalies are....

Okay then if you watch some games and you see a solid defensive team who’s issue is goaltending. And if the stats back up your eye test that’s fine

Giroux having his best season in years kind of ruins that theory.

Is see 3 for 1 against at the moment

 

[boxbox]

People gave up on the team because realistically we put ourselves in a terrible hole.


Okay then if you watch some games and you see a solid defensive team who’s issue is goaltending. And if the stats back up your eye test that’s fine


Is see 3 for 1 against at the moment

I said the defense is not as big of a problem as its made out to be here. I said they are young and still learning and turn overs are to be expected. How can the goal-tending not be an issue when it ranks lower in most defensive categories then the actual defense ? I never claimed the defense was good or great but sure as hell ain't that bad for the goalies to have one of the highest GAA in the league , lowest SV% as a tandem... consistency is the goalies biggest issue. injuries/ bad luck to blame ? possibly , be it whatever its been a circus ....its either very good or awful...and pretty much no in between and no in between means there is very little consitency and that has a trickle down effect on the whole team; starting with the d group ... well stats are stats and they get recorded for a reason, a 50 goal scorer is a 50 goal scorer one ice as on paper

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

If someone that does not follow the Sens or the NHL in general, dove into the content on here, they would most likely assume this team was a lock to win the cup this year, had it not been for the teams highly unqualified coach the Sens gm found in a cereal box the team fell 1 win shy of 66 for the season; a slight improvement from the 33 wins a season ago, all players wore ear pods through out games/practices as they completely tuned out the coach, Norris retired from hockey after being convinced hes a non factor to the teams success.

So you believe others can do better? fair enough....so then you believe the Sens should be a lock for the playoffs ? have more wins since coaching is that bad ? Like what does "better" look like for a team in the position/phase they are inn ? would you want change if the played well but kept losing ?

true dat!

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

If someone that does not follow the Sens or the NHL in general, dove into the content on here, they would most likely assume this team was a lock to win the cup this year, had it not been for the teams highly unqualified coach the Sens gm found in a cereal box the team fell 1 win shy of 66 for the season; a slight improvement from the 33 wins a season ago, all players wore ear pods through out games/practices as they completely tuned out the coach, Norris retired from hockey after being convinced hes a non factor to the teams success.

So you believe others can do better? fair enough....so then you believe the Sens should be a lock for the playoffs ? have more wins since coaching is that bad ? Like what does "better" look like for a team in the position/phase they are inn ? would you want change if the played well but kept losing ?

Do you think our 5v5 goal differential should be bottom 5 with this roster? Do you think it should be worse than last year's, despite improvements to the team?

Do you think it should be worse than Arizona's (a team that spends 37 million on their entire roster, not including goalies)? For context, Chabot's caphit is more than AZ's entire defense.

We're a cap team with 3 top 4 dmen (not including Chychrun), a very good top 6 (even without Norris) and our GD is worse than teams that are legitimately tanking.

Do you think it's acceptable that we have
5 regulation wins against playoff teams the entire year?

What does better look like? It means actually being competitive for 40 minutes a game with this roster, not just on special teams

 

[Silencio]

Is see 3 for 1 against at the moment

Could make a case for Zub as well

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Could make a case for Zub as well

Zub is starting to regress himself lol.

It was a facetious post. But something to be said about DJs coaching effect over a longer period

 

[aragorn]

Zub is starting to regress himself lol.

It was a facetious post. But something to be said about DJs coaching effect over a longer period

You are blaming Zub's poor play on DJ now, Zub has had several injuries this yr maybe that has something to do with it? I don't expect that Holden will be back & that JBD will graduate next yr & that should add some depth to the right side.

 

[Cosmix]

You are blaming Zub's poor play on DJ now, Zub has had several injuries this yr maybe that has something to do with it? I don't expect that Holden will be back & that JBD will graduate next yr & that should add some depth to the right side.

So the D next season will be:

Chabot - Zub
Sanderson - Chychrun
Brannstrom - Bernard-Docker/Hamonic

Out: Holden

 

[aragorn]

So the D next season will be:

Chabot - Zub
Sanderson - Chychrun
Brannstrom - Bernard-Docker/Hamonic

Out: Holden

That would be my guess although not sure of the 3rd pairing, I expect Hamonic to be the one permanent player of those three along with Brnnstrom & JBD to be the 7th. However, I also expect that PD could sign a vet D over the summer & it remains to be seen how close Kleven is.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

You are blaming Zub's poor play on DJ now, Zub has had several injuries this yr maybe that has something to do with it? I don't expect that Holden will be back & that JBD will graduate next yr & that should add some depth to the right side.

I don’t expect jbd to ever graduate

No lol like I said .. a little bit facetious.

 

[aragorn]

I don’t expect jbd to ever graduate

No lol like I said .. a little bit facetious.

Do you expect that Lassie Thomson will graduate?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Do you expect that Lassie Thomson will graduate?

I like lassi more than jbd. But…Honeslty my expectations for either are extremely low

 

[aragorn]

I like lassi more than jbd. But…Honeslty my expectations for either are extremely low

So neither 1st rd picks are likely to graduate in your opinion, is this correct.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

So neither 1st rd picks are likely to graduate in your opinion, is this correct.

Graduate full time to full time NHLer? Or good NHLer? Yeah if I had to say one thing and I’m not allowed to hedge.

That’s my first option.

Lassi being better than jbd is my second option.
Maybe I’m impatient. But they’re in years 5 and 4. And they not even “really good ahl d men”. And dont look like they can cut it AT ALL in the nhl

 

[aragorn]

Graduate full time to full time NHLer? Or good NHLer? Yeah if I had to say one thing and I’m not allowed to hedge.

That’s my first option.

Lassi being better than jbd is my second option.
Maybe I’m impatient. But they’re in years 5 and 4. And they not even “really good ahl d men”. And dont look like they can cut it AT ALL in the nhl

Well JBD is no longer waiver eligible so if he doesn't graduate they will have to place him on waivers to send him back to Belleville. I'm not sure he would make it through waivers & that would be a lost asset. I have a different opinion on Lassie so it should be interesting how this ends up.

 

[Ouroboros]

Well JBD is no longer waiver eligible so if he doesn't graduate they will have to place him on waivers to send him back to Belleville. I'm not sure he would make it through waivers & that would be a lost asset. I have a different opinion on Lassie so it should be interesting how this ends up.

Thomson would have to go on waivers next fall as well, so they're both in the same situation in that respect.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Thomson would have to go on waivers next fall as well, so they're both in the same situation in that respect.

I don’t think Lassi hits the games played requirement, so will be waiver eligible.

 

[Ouroboros]

I don’t think Lassi hits the games played requirement, so will be waiver eligible.

He has 4 season of exemption and this is the last one. 19/20 when he was loaned to Ilves was one year and then the last 3 in Belleville. You can confirm that on CapFriendly

Lots of 'prospects' will see their waivers kick in next season. JBZ, Thomson, Sokolov, and Aspirot will all hit the wire next season.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Thought there was a games played component as well as years.

 

[Micklebot]

Thought there was a games played component as well as years.

There is, but it's a whichever comes first.

In his case it's 4 years or 160 games I think, once you hit either you're no longer waiver exempt.

 

[Sun God Nika]

delete

 

[Tuna99]

I like lassi more than jbd. But…Honeslty my expectations for either are extremely low

Why can’t this team draft and evaluate RD? Karlsson, Brian Lee, Cody Ceci (trading him and obvious mistake) Dylan Demelo, Zaitsevx JBD, Thomson - can never get any traction with the RD

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Why can’t this team draft and evaluate RD? Karlsson, Brian Lee, Cody Ceci (trading him and obvious mistake) Dylan Demelo, Zaitsevx JBD, Thomson - can never get any traction with the RD

There’s bait in here. And I’m not gonna take it.

If every shot is gonna go in we may lose this game. But good on the defence to just completely open up

 

[Golden_Jet]

There is, but it's a whichever comes first.

In his case it's 4 years or 160 games I think, once you hit either you're no longer waiver exempt.

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• Seasons Exempt: 4
• NHL Games Played Exempt: 147

He’s played 123 AHL games and 18 NHL games.
Maybe they cut a few games for Covid kids.