Post-Game Talk: Sen-d them home - Jets 2, Senators 5

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LowLefty

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Did you even watch the game? If you did, there's no way you come to the conclusion that this wasn't Laine's best game in a while. Some perspective please.

I already gave it to you - read.
He turns the puck over - especially in the neutral zone - I seen one shift where he turned it over 3 times - and it's killing us.

Take your own advice and watch the game - I don't miss any and I keep an eye on the guy that could cost us a ton with his next contact.
This may have been his best game in a while but it still wasn't anything close to being good enough.

WPGChief lays it out pretty well in his post. I'm calling out the turnovers because they happen a lot, every game, every night.
Turnovers are killing us - we need to stop turning the puck over in our zone and the neutral.
Are there other players or issues that could be discussed? Sure, but I see turnovers as being a major problem so I'm picking on the guy that creates the most.
Hopefully that's enough perspective for you.
 

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That time you spent thinking of a pun was well spent, Maukkis.

And that's about all I have to say. See you all tomorrow.
 

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Lemmy is awfully effective in close. his office, as he called it. I could see him being effective on the power play because he also seems to retrieve pucks well. not sure what others think on that..

It, or something like it, is worth a Plan B.
 

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I was listening karaoke (yeah, that ain't a pretty for ears) with a beer in hand few hours ago. Then I come here. What the hell is happening to this team? Team so good, is being so bad? I mean... it sure ain't a person or two anymore? And by that I mean the players. Something's wrong for the team that has so much depth... or I thought so. Beats me. Call Selänne to come play?
 

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I already gave it to you - read.
He turns the puck over - especially in the neutral zone - I seen one shift where he turned it over 3 times - and it's killing us.

Take your own advice and watch the game - I don't miss any and I keep an eye on the guy that could cost us a ton with his next contact.
This may have been his best game in a while but it still wasn't anything close to being good enough.

WPGChief lays it out pretty well in his post. I'm calling out the turnovers because they happen a lot, every game, every night.
Turnovers are killing us - we need to stop turning the puck over in our zone and the neutral.
Are there other players or issues that could be discussed? Sure, but I see turnovers as being a major problem so I'm picking on the guy that creates the most.
Hopefully that's enough perspective for you.
Oh so you meant TEAM turnovers:huh:
 
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WPGChief lays it out pretty well in his post. I'm calling out the turnovers because they happen a lot, every game, every night.
Turnovers are killing us - we need to stop turning the puck over in our zone and the neutral.
Are there other players or issues that could be discussed? Sure, but I see turnovers as being a major problem so I'm picking on the guy that creates the most.
Hopefully that's enough perspective for you.
For the record, Laine’s occasional turnovers are pretty minimal to the systemic problems going on right now, in my opinion. There’s lots of floating in the defensive zone and there’s lots of pucks being lost in the offensive zone because of failed cycling and eventual losing puck battles, not just limited to Laine.
 

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Is there a better way?

Yes, great coaches make constant adjustments to maximise the output of the talent on the roster, in addition to strategic adjustments both overall and in-game.
In other words, the whole becomes greater than the sum of its parts.
 
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Sabres playing on a back to back and 3 in 4 tomorrow like the Jets, but not one of the Sabres forwards played as much as 18 minutes today. Scheifele with almost 22 minutes tonight, Wheeler over 20 and Connor close to 20. Meanwhile, Lemieux and Appleton with around 8 minutes each, despite very strong games. This was a blowout. Not sure Maurice has a good handle on player usage.

Po'Mo' sure is stubborn... uhhh… Dinosaur like...

He has an arrogant streak a mile wide and it gets in the way of his intelligence...

Dinosaur is a good word for him, because if he refuses to adapt...

He will be extinct...

What you just stated very clearly Whileee is what I was complaining earlier this year about as being unsustainable....

Not spreading the minutes out and not playing the "Horses that came to play that day" is just stubborn arrogant BS...

Meanwhile a so called trash team is being managed on minutes...

I hope we get proved wrong and the Jets win in Buffalo, but I fear you are right.

:popcorn:
 
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  • It isn't the sea of red we saw in Montreal a few days before, but a number of these would be if Ottawa weren't content with the lead they already had (they only had 10CF in the third as they focused on defense), as the Jets clearly played not-strong 5v5 hockey, the weakest Jet being the netminder, Brossoit.
  • But not everything falls wholly on Brossoit, as Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler were lackadaisical yet again in their d-zone. While they clawed their way back to evens in both CF and xG as them and the rest of the team struggled to get anything past Nilsson, they certainly weren't doing themselves any favours by hoping extending their sticks defensively is a good enough coverage. As many observers have pointed out already, nearly half of their shifts today were coming over the 0:50 mark as they drag themselves to the bench after extended play. Maurice is relying on his top line too much, or he isn't holding them to the same standard as his others.
  • Laine-Little-Roslovic were slightly better again today but are still on the wrong end of your xG chart. Laine has played better recently and has showed some offensive flair again with his turn into the neutral zone to give him room and speed to saucer his pass to Little for an easy one-timer, but he's still losing a lot of pucks in the neutral zone and along the boards and is certainly a skill he needs to work on developing. The line in general is still not a dangerous line, but a refusal to try anything else has made it even more lackluster. Again, a knock on Maurice.
  • Perreault-Lowry-Tanev were on the wrong end of the xG mark and have struggled way too much lately. There are games where they absolutely dominate and I think they are getting back to form, only for them to put up another slate of games of them below their expected threshold. If there is a tell, my only guess is that they struggle when there's no clear top line to match up against as they struggle against the opponent's mix of talent spread throughout the lineup (because of a lack of star talent (Ottawa, Montreal) or they have the ability to spread it (San Jose)). Yet again, this is another knock against Maurice because you now have your top 9 lines not putting up great chances to score, as your third is dedicated solely to defense or breakaways from Tanev.
  • Appleton-Copp-Lemieux didn't have time to make an impact on the game as they normally would as Lemieux sat in the box as Ottawa did their damage in the first. Lemieux is great at padding his stats, though.
  • Morrissey-Trouba is clearly the top pairing of the Jets and without one or the other, the team as a whole struggles mightily. Morrissey stepped back in without missing a beat and the pairing was back up to even, though they had nothing to show for it offensively (though nothing given up either, albeit the one on the power play which Brossoit clearly should have stopped).
  • I'll mix the next two together, because Byfuglien and Myers bring an element of offense that many other teams would die for. While Byfuglien is clearly not up to game speed as he fumbled the puck on his stick many a times in his own zone, many people applauded Myers for giving a **** in the third period as he was rapid firing them. So, many people would think that Myers > Byfuglien this game, especially considering the stats, correct? Defensively, they have up about the same marker. Offensively, each of themselves generated the same amount of ixG, but Morrow-Myers were on for a higher xG in general. However, I'm still remiss to give this victory to Myers, when we actually look at the event maps for each today:
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    • Myers only got between the dots once, compared to Buff who got there 3 maybe 4 times (depending on how much leeway you give the actual trackers in the arena) but had all his shots blocked. Myers, as we've come to see many a times, likes to skate it up along his side of the ice and tries to fire it, where as Buff keeps his feet moving and has his more spread out across the offensive zone. Myers is predictable; Buff is not, whether you take that as a positive or negative.
  • Brossoit sucked tonight, and he admitted it himself with little excuses. Incredibly tough showing for him he craters back down to Earth with that performance.
Chief's final eyetest says: Ottawa put on a good performance for the scouts in attendance today. Mark Stone is as valuable as advertised - even more so, in my perspective. I would rather have him on my team than Duchene for an optimal lineup through 4 lines, especially as he clearly excels defensively. Ottawa are very, very dumb that they aren't likely to keep either.

EDIT: Oh, and both power play units were abysmal. Final knock on Maurice today, but he's deserving of some lately. You don't get to 1500 games having this to show for it...
Nice analysis.

I'll just take issue with your point about Lemieux "padding his stats". Over the past two games he's been the one forward that has brought it every shift and has made the opponents' D work, created scoring chances, etc. I think a fairer comment was that Lemieux was rewarded again for his good work. Credit, where due... He was much, much better than Perreault today, as an example.
 

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That was the worst game I've seen from Brossoit in a long time.
You mean he actually has played some great games for you guys? I never understood why Winnipeg picked him up in the 1st place., this LB was just horrible for us and was glad to see him go. signed Oiler fan
 

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Bro had a stinker but he is allowed one, especially in another game when the Jets can’t put up more than one goal in 59 minutes against the worst team in the friggin league.

Laine a little better in the last couple but still not saying much, kinda like saying Pardy had one of the better games in his career, yeah a few doesn’t mean much!

This whole HNIC hyped Hockey Day in Canada getting old and totally irrelevant and extrelmely boring and uninteresting whole broadcast today was painful! Maclean about as dull as anyone on TV can be. Same old tired boring Schtick, stories, ad nauseam really don’t get who they cater their broadcasts to aside from nursing homes! It’s like the small town grocery store dragging out their faded, torn, bent seasonal displays year after year after year!
 
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Maurice is a coach who relies on the talent on the roster for results. Rather average. Does as many good things as bad.
Imagine this team with a good coach?
This team has....

A young top scorer in a terrible slump...
Mediocre starting goaltending...
A crap show on LD behind Morrissey...
Inconsistent young players...
Star players that have much room for improvement defensively...

There is a lot of marvelous talent on this team, but like almost every team in the NHL it has some holes. I think the notion that this roster is so powerful that a good coach could have them with a better record this season is a bit uncharitable.

Every coach has his foibles, and thousands of fans are likely to identify and harp on them. Maurice is no different.

I'll wait until the season plays out before determining how his coaching was this season.
 

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I just don’t understand? He made some very good plays and had some incredible passes

Wheeler turned it over more than laine did.


It would be interesting to see the numbers for both.
I'm guilty of "Laine" watching because he has been brutal.
But no doubt about it - Wheels also had a bad game -
 

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They ran into a hot goalie, these things happen. Still this should have been two easy points in the bank to put more space between the Jets and Nashville, it is disappointing to see them squandered.
 
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Bro had a stinker but he is allowed one, especially in another game when the Jets can’t put up more than one goal in 59 minutes against the worst team in the friggin league.

Laine a little better in the last couple but still not saying much, kinda like saying Pardy had one of the better games in his career, yeah a few doesn’t mean much!

This whole HNIC hyped Hockey Day in Canada getting old and totally irrelevant and extrelmely boring and uninteresting whole broadcast today was painful! Maclean about as dull as anyone on TV can be. Same old tired boring Schtick, stories, ad nauseam really don’t get who they cater their broadcasts to aside from nursing homes!
Was the HNIC blue jacket guys in the crowd?
 

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For the record, Laine’s occasional turnovers are pretty minimal to the systemic problems going on right now, in my opinion. There’s lots of floating in the defensive zone and there’s lots of pucks being lost in the offensive zone because of failed cycling and eventual losing puck battles, not just limited to Laine.

I find Laine turnovers to be more than a minimal issue -
I agree there are other issues with this team at the moment - I'm by no means blaming Laine for all problems related to the Jets.
I'm simply commenting on the turnover problem -
 

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Laine has lots of work to do on his game but that wont be fixed this year, that will have to addressed by the team in the off season, can't just have exit meeting and say to him see you next a training camp leaving him to his own devices. His speed is fine foot quickness is a problem and he needs to process the game quicker, that will come with experience.
 
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