Confirmed with Link: Seider signs (7 x $8.55m)

[Henkka]

Lalonde is terrible

I still think Lalonde was "terrible" on purpose. They controlled the Seider caphit, using him ONLY on toughest possible situations he is unable to score and also preventing a bit of his PP time (with Ghost as primary guy).

Now he has earned his deal, and they will start using him correctly.

This same f_king shit happened for Hedman at Tampa on his contract years. MA Bergeron playing the PP etc. It's pretty much Yzerman behind it, and coaches will complete the plan.

"Lalonde has learned from his mistakes" is probably the next narrative in here.

 

[Winger98]

I still think Lalonde was "terrible" on purpose. They controlled the Seider caphit, using him ONLY on toughest possible situations he is unable to score and also preventing a bit of his PP time (with Ghost as primary guy).

Now he has earned his deal, and they will start using him correctly.

This same f_king shit happened for Hedman at Tampa on his contract years. MA Bergeron playing the PP etc. It's pretty much Yzerman behind it, and coaches will complete the plan.

"Lalonde has learned from his mistakes" is probably the next narrative in here.

I think Seider was used how we thought it gave us the best chance to win. Our blueline was too weak for him to not take all of the hardest minutes, and I thought the toll it was taking was showing by season's end. There's a fair chance Seider could play 3 more minutes a night this season and have an easier work load.

 

[FlyguyOX]

I still think Lalonde was "terrible" on purpose. They controlled the Seider caphit, using him ONLY on toughest possible situations he is unable to score and also preventing a bit of his PP time (with Ghost as primary guy).

Now he has earned his deal, and they will start using him correctly.

This same f_king shit happened for Hedman at Tampa on his contract years. MA Bergeron playing the PP etc. It's pretty much Yzerman behind it, and coaches will complete the plan.

"Lalonde has learned from his mistakes" is probably the next narrative in here.

It's the only reasonable explanation, but risking your guys development with that kind of scheme is ridiculous.

 

[Henkka]

I think Seider was used how we thought it gave us the best chance to win. Our blueline was too weak for him to not take all of the hardest minutes, and I thought the toll it was taking was showing by season's end. There's a fair chance Seider could play 3 more minutes a night this season and have an easier work load.

I think Seider could play easily more than 22 minutes. Like 25. Then he would get some shifts against weak lines and produce more.

Also that 1st PP vs. 2nd PP difference is pretty big always for defencemen. Seider had 17 PP-points and Ghost 29p. 12 points more for Seider and something extra from ES too, and he is a 60-point guy, instead of 42p.

60-point guy at negotiations would have been 10M+ guy. But now he is 8.55M.

That's the Yzerman "miracle" and Lalonde being "terrible".

 

[ricky0034]

I think Seider could play easily more than 22 minutes. Like 25. Then he would get some shifts against weak lines and produce more.

Also that 1st PP vs. 2nd PP difference is pretty big always for defencemen. Seider had 17 PP-points and Ghost 29p. 12 points more for Seider and something extra from ES too, and he is a 60-point guy, instead of 42p.

60-point guy at negotiations would have been 10M+ guy. But now he is 8.55M.

That's the Yzerman "miracle" and Lalonde being "terrible".

Seider magically putting up 29 powerplay points with more minutes just because Ghost did seems like a pretty big assumption to me

he was the #1 there two years ago and put up 15

 

[Winger98]

I think Seider could play easily more than 22 minutes. Like 25. Then he would get some shifts against weak lines and produce more.

Also that 1st PP vs. 2nd PP difference is pretty big always for defencemen. Seider had 17 PP-points and Ghost 29p. 12 points more for Seider and something extra from ES too, and he is a 60-point guy, instead of 42p.

60-point guy at negotiations would have been 10M+ guy. But now he is 8.55M.

That's the Yzerman "miracle" and Lalonde being "terrible".

Could seider have ate more minutes? Yeah, but would we have ran an even higher risk of gassing him? Yeah.

I don't think the Wings primary concern was trying to shave a million off Seider's future contract but to use him the best they could. They need him on the PK. They need him at ES. The one place they could limit his exposure a bit was on the power play. And even at ES last season he was carrying Walman through much of the season until Chiarot stepped in and actually played up to his contract.

If we didn't have Ed coming up, I bet we make a way harder pitch for Ghost this past summer and we see them maximizing Seider at ES and the PK again. Do we up his minutes anyway? Maybe, but it'd be at ES if we can find a partner who can run with him for those minutes.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Seider magically putting up 29 powerplay points with more minutes just because Ghost did seems like a pretty big assumption to me

he was the #1 there two years ago and put up 15

3 years ago the top line was Bertuzzi - Larkin -Rookie Raymond. Abd the team as a whole was way worse.

2 seasons ago he split pp1 duties with Hronek who started out the season on PP1 before demotion then trade.

Seider would have been a 20+ point guy on the power play if given pp1 last year, but we had Ghost who is a specialist. They maximized what Ghost could do by having him on there.

 

[Henkka]

3 years ago the top line was Bertuzzi - Larkin -Rookie Raymond. Abd the team as a whole was way worse.

2 seasons ago he split pp1 duties with Hronek who started out the season on PP1 before demotion then trade.

Seider would have been a 20+ point guy on the power play if given pp1 last year, but we had Ghost who is a specialist. They maximized what Ghost could do by having him on there.

Yeah, he already had 21 PP-points on his rookie season, and we saw the pure skill how is able to quarterback it. That was most of any Red Wings players, more than forwards.

It would not have been any surprise by developing the point-levels as clear 1st role from 21-25-29 points in 3 years.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Seider magically putting up 29 powerplay points with more minutes just because Ghost did seems like a pretty big assumption to me

he was the #1 there two years ago and put up 15

Yeah but Debrincat/kane wern't there. It was freaking Perron and Kubalik.

This whole notion that they needed a different PP1, resulting in sucking all offense out of Mo, was just idiotic. The fact it for some reason continues is insane.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

It's the only reasonable explanation, but risking your guys development with that kind of scheme is ridiculous.

I think the most reasonable explanation is, who else are you going to give the hardest minutes to as you're trying to win games?

I don't think there was some 4d chess going on with his usage to help his contract.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

3 years ago the top line was Bertuzzi - Larkin -Rookie Raymond. Abd the team as a whole was way worse.

2 seasons ago he split pp1 duties with Hronek who started out the season on PP1 before demotion then trade.

Seider would have been a 20+ point guy on the power play if given pp1 last year, but we had Ghost who is a specialist. They maximized what Ghost could do by having him on there.

Exactly. Seider was still second on the team among Dmen in PP TOI per game with 2:16. It's not like he was only playing 20 seconds.

They let Ghost eat up as many power play minutes as he could handle and basically gave Seider the rest so they could utilize him at ES and shorthanded.

 

[Henkka]

Exactly. Seider was still second on the team among Dmen in PP TOI per game with 2:16. It's not like he was only playing 20 seconds.

They let Ghost eat up as many power play minutes as he could handle and basically gave Seider the rest so they could utilize him at ES and shorthanded.

They also played together on the 1st PP for some stretch. So it wasn't that drastical control as Yzerman did for Hedman at Tampa. MA Bergreon played almost all the PP mins, or if Bergrenon wasn't there, they went with 5 forwards with the 1st unit. It was totally ridiculous on Hedman's contract years.

Hedman should have had Doughty's 11M contract etc. if he would have been collecting that PP production as 1st D-man. But he is still there at ~8M range.

When Brisebois became a GM, he didn't do this and Sergachev's salary went instantly out of hand versus comparables. He got higher salary than Hedman, the team salary structure was f***ed up, and they had to trade him away to Utah.