Proposal: Sedins to the Montreal Canadiens so they can win the Cup

[Johnnybegood13]

Sedin's are 36 year old 50 points players now, doubtful they would help any team win a cup at this point.

 

[BatVader]

Too much money involved.

Let's make a smaller trade with just one Sedin.

They've always been a package deal. You can't have one without the other.
It's why they'll be very, very hard to move, if not impossible, considering their salaries.

 

[CM-]

Sedin's are 36 year old 50 points players now, doubtful they would help any team win a cup at this point.

Only 97 players scored 50+ points in the league last year (with Daniel being Tied for 35th in league scoring and Henrik Tied for 63rd) so the Sedins while old are still a lower tiered first line or a premier 2nd line. Which is what the team acquiring them would be looking for. If our GM was smart would get a list of teams from them and try and work out a deal. As that would be in the best interest of both the players and the team. Sedins as a 2nd line not having to face the best Defenceman would probably produce a little bit more. Just as long as the Coach on the team that acquires them understands that they play a specfic style that really can't be changed.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Sedin's are 36 year old 50 points players now, doubtful they would help any team win a cup at this point.

Daniel put up 61 points last year and Henrik put up 55 while missing eight games. Just a year prior, they were 8th and 11th league wide, respectively. Let's not forget, the Sedins are literally all Vancouver has for offense. Thus, they get targeted. In Montreal, that wouldn't be the case.

Too much money involved.

Let's make a smaller trade with just one Sedin.

Even if they did waive for a cup run, they wouldn't unless a team took them both. Their previous contract actually had a clause specifically citing Vancouver couldn't trade just one of them.

 

[Johnnybegood13]

Daniel put up 61 points last year and Henrik put up 55 while missing eight games. Just a year prior, they were 8th and 11th league wide, respectively. Let's not forget, the Sedins are literally all Vancouver has for offense. Thus, they get targeted. In Montreal, that wouldn't be the case.

Ok fine, they were over 50 points last year, my point is they are done at age 36 and would offer nothing for a cup run. They can't even offer enough leadership to make the Canucks matter in the western conference let alone help a team win a cup.

Pipe dreams!!

 

[BLNY]

How does the Sedins go from best players on Team Sweden to absolute garbage on the Canucks? Because they're cycling in the offensive zone with Larsen and Sbisa in the backend or Edler. That's not going to work.

On this Canadiens team they're a lock for 75+

Sedin - Sedin - Gallagher
Emelin - Weber "C"

AFAIK only the Sedins have a modified NTC but they'll obviously waive it to win the cup with Team BC.

To Vancouver:
Desharnais 3.5M
Pacioretty 4.5M
Plekanec 6M
14M + 2.4M capspace
Mikhail Sergachev

To Montreal:
Henrik Sedin 7M
Daniel Sedin 7M
Markus Granlund 0.900K (better than Desharnais)
14.9M

This move will allow Vancouver to rebuild as they trade all 3 acquired Habs players for minor roster player and major futures at the TDL. I have less interest in seeing Pacioretty, and Desharnais on a rebuilding team.

Again this is a pipe dream as the Canucks ownership, GM and coach refuse to rebuild and we'll never truly be tanking with the Sedins playing.

Put down the pipe and step away.

 

[major major]

Switch Pacioretty for a 1st, and retain some on the Sedins, and it's a good deal for both clubs.

 

[TOGuy14]

How does the Sedins go from best players on Team Sweden to absolute garbage on the Canucks? Because they're cycling in the offensive zone with Larsen and Sbisa in the backend or Edler. That's not going to work.

On this Canadiens team they're a lock for 75+

Sedin - Sedin - Gallagher
Emelin - Weber "C"

AFAIK only the Sedins have a modified NTC but they'll obviously waive it to win the cup with Team BC.

To Vancouver:
Desharnais 3.5M
Pacioretty 4.5M
Plekanec 6M
14M + 2.4M capspace
Mikhail Sergachev

To Montreal:
Henrik Sedin 7M
Daniel Sedin 7M
Markus Granlund 0.900K (better than Desharnais)
14.9M

This move will allow Vancouver to rebuild as they trade all 3 acquired Habs players for minor roster player and major futures at the TDL. I have less interest in seeing Pacioretty, and Desharnais on a rebuilding team.

Again this is a pipe dream as the Canucks ownership, GM and coach refuse to rebuild and we'll never truly be tanking with the Sedins playing.

If Nuck fans think the Sedins can fetch Patches + Serg they are going to be very disappointed...

 

[Pyrophorus]

You wouldn't go for a 1st+prospects??!

As a Leaf trust, you can't stem the bleeding like this.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

How does the Sedins go from best players on Team Sweden to absolute garbage on the Canucks? Because they're cycling in the offensive zone with Larsen and Sbisa in the backend or Edler. That's not going to work.

On this Canadiens team they're a lock for 75+

Sedin - Sedin - Gallagher
Emelin - Weber "C"

AFAIK only the Sedins have a modified NTC but they'll obviously waive it to win the cup with Team BC.

To Vancouver:
Desharnais 3.5M
Pacioretty 4.5M
Plekanec 6M
14M + 2.4M capspace
Mikhail Sergachev

To Montreal:
Henrik Sedin 7M
Daniel Sedin 7M
Markus Granlund 0.900K (better than Desharnais)
14.9M

This move will allow Vancouver to rebuild as they trade all 3 acquired Habs players for minor roster player and major futures at the TDL. I have less interest in seeing Pacioretty, and Desharnais on a rebuilding team.

Again this is a pipe dream as the Canucks ownership, GM and coach refuse to rebuild and we'll never truly be tanking with the Sedins playing.

No way does Montreal consider this for 2 aging 36 year old Sedin Twins, This is pretty bad for Montreal Pacioretty isn't getting dealt. And the Sedins are no guarantee to bring a cup to Montreal.

 

[lamp9post]

For the Sedins, no he isn't. Contrary to HF's belief, it's been proven repeatedly older players still carry high value, provided they are still good players. They would make Montreal a juggernaut despite their guarantee, especially with them not having to be nearly as reliable upon for offense as they are in Vancouver. Including Pacioretty, on the other hand, is just plain silly. The whole point of a trade like this would be for Montreal to basically take two swings at the cup with a disgustingly good roster. If a trade like this happened, Vancouver would likely want Sergachyov and another good prospect (Scherbak, for example). And in exchange, hold salary on the Sedins while taking back someone like Desharnais as well. From a Habs perspective, I would utterly adore the following:

Daniel - Henrik - Gallagher
Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Radulov
Lehkonen - Plekanec - Shaw
Mitchell - Danault - Byron

Yes, the price would be steep, but that top six is utterly ridiculous. You have four 30+ goal scorers and the best center depth in the league without question.

Love it! Make it happen MB!

Sedins (7 mil retained) for Sergachev?

Or a 1st + Scherbak/McCarron

We'll also take Deharnais as a salary dump

1st + Scherbak + Desharnais

For

Sedins at half price?

Where do I sign?

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Ok fine, they were over 50 points last year, my point is they are done at age 36 and would offer nothing for a cup run. They can't even offer enough leadership to make the Canucks matter in the western conference let alone help a team win a cup.

Pipe dreams!!

The idea of getting them for a cup run would mean they would be complimentary pieces on the new team. As Bourne Endeavor stated, they face top competition on the Cancucks and that obviously impacts their scoring. Now, I can buy the idea about other teams complaining about their cap hit (could not afford them on the Sharks) OR even complaining about the pieces that would be going back to the Canucks but saying that the Sedin's would not help a team load up for the cup run makes little sense. Give them sheltered minutes on the 3rd line and then see how well they do.

 

[domiwroze]

I would do, 1st + Scherbak + DD

VS

Sedins 50%

and then i would try to acquire Edler too.

___

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Radulov
Sedin - Sedin - Gallagher
Lehkonen - Plekanec - Shaw
Danault - Mitchell - Byron

Edler - Weber
Markov - Petry
Beaulieu - Pateryn/Emelin

We can go far with those lines

 

[crazychimp]

How does the Sedins go from best players on Team Sweden to absolute garbage on the Canucks? Because they're cycling in the offensive zone with Larsen and Sbisa in the backend or Edler. That's not going to work.

On this Canadiens team they're a lock for 75+

Sedin - Sedin - Gallagher
Emelin - Weber "C"

AFAIK only the Sedins have a modified NTC but they'll obviously waive it to win the cup with Team BC.

To Vancouver:
Desharnais 3.5M
Pacioretty 4.5M
Plekanec 6M
14M + 2.4M capspace
Mikhail Sergachev

To Montreal:
Henrik Sedin 7M
Daniel Sedin 7M
Markus Granlund 0.900K (better than Desharnais)
14.9M

This move will allow Vancouver to rebuild as they trade all 3 acquired Habs players for minor roster player and major futures at the TDL. I have less interest in seeing Pacioretty, and Desharnais on a rebuilding team.

Again this is a pipe dream as the Canucks ownership, GM and coach refuse to rebuild and we'll never truly be tanking with the Sedins playing.

Lol what is this? The guys going to Vancouver would need to stay in Montreal for this to work!

Edit for this work: We'd have take on Desharnis Contract and retain one Sedin contract, Sedins aren't what they used to be, but for secondary scoring that would be hell for the opposition.

 

[CanadienShark]

So Pacioretty + Sergachev + for the Sedins? Good luck with that.

 

[xxreact9]

Was actually pumped for this thread until I saw the horrendous return. The reason it's so perfect is that Montreal isn't built to contend for a long time. They have this momentary window where everything is going their way. They've got a lot of upcoming UFAs, aging core players, and Radulov is a big part and he's unpredictable. To acquire 2 years of decent Sedins would be perfect to stack this roster to the roof and shoot for a cup. It would be by far their best chance to win a cup in this era.

For only 2 years of the Sedins at this age, that's just way too much to ask for. If the asking price is Sergachev + 1st + mid prospect/pick and Montreal gives up nothing from their current roster other than cap dump, that would be an interesting move.

Vancouver's motivation is to get Sergachev and a 1st, two quality assets for a rebuild. They have next to 0 chance of winning the cup while the Sedins are still playing hockey.

 

[David71]

that is a pretty bad proposal. sedins dont waive

 

[Jumptheshark]

Good start to the season. But we have seen what happens when their goalie goes down

 

[beowulf]

Was actually pumped for this thread until I saw the horrendous return. The reason it's so perfect is that Montreal isn't built to contend for a long time. They have this momentary window where everything is going their way. They've got a lot of upcoming UFAs, aging core players, and Radulov is a big part and he's unpredictable. To acquire 2 years of decent Sedins would be perfect to stack this roster to the roof and shoot for a cup. It would be by far their best chance to win a cup in this era.

For only 2 years of the Sedins at this age, that's just way too much to ask for. If the asking price is Sergachev + 1st + mid prospect/pick and Montreal gives up nothing from their current roster other than cap dump, that would be an interesting move.

Vancouver's motivation is to get Sergachev and a 1st, two quality assets for a rebuild. They have next to 0 chance of winning the cup while the Sedins are still playing hockey.

With their cap hit the Sedins are not worth a top end d prospect and a 1st.

 

[winnipegger]

Next year is the year for Sedin's being rented out on a cup run. This year I think they're sticking around.

 

[Nolan11]

Sedin's are 36 year old 50 points players now, doubtful they would help any team win a cup at this point.

Sedins in a cap-less world would help any contender. They still have gas in the tank for this season and likely next. If the goal is to get the Sedins a cup while ensuring Canucks get a lottery pick this year and maybe next, they could deal them at 50% cap to a contender. OP return is unrealistic.

The idea of getting them for a cup run would mean they would be complimentary pieces on the new team. As Bourne Endeavor stated, they face top competition on the Cancucks and that obviously impacts their scoring. Now, I can buy the idea about other teams complaining about their cap hit (could not afford them on the Sharks) OR even complaining about the pieces that would be going back to the Canucks but saying that the Sedin's would not help a team load up for the cup run makes little sense. Give them sheltered minutes on the 3rd line and then see how well they do.

It would be a convoluted scenario to get them on the sharks, cap-wise, but it could be done. (OK, math works, but Nucks wont like the return). Start with Melker Karlsson (RFA bottom 6), Tommy Wingels (Pending UFA bottom 6) and add Brendan Dillon (Bottom 4 LHD on long contract) for the Sedins at half cap. Sharks save about 350K in cap. Then add the Sharks 1st and 3rd and the Nucks 2nd and you would have a reasonable deal.....For the Sharks. Its an all in kinda move. Cap works this year and next. (Nucks get Dillon + 1st for their rebuild, which is not enough but its all sharks could offer, plus near assured bottom 8 finish. Remember, goal is to get Sedins to lift a cup).

Sharks roster would then be:

Hertl - Thornton - Pavelski
Boedker - Couture - Donskoi
Sedin - Sedin - Meier
Nieto - Marleau - Ward
Haley

Vlasic Braun
Schlemko Burns
Martin Demelo
McNally

Jones
Dell

Never happen, but the math works (about 60K capspace)

 

[CherryToke]

Gallagher would beast with the Sedins. I would love to see that happen.

 

[JuniorNelson]

Sedin game does not translate into post season. They have never won anything.

People should watch them. They are shadows of last season! They have dropped several steps behind the play and constantly cause too many men penalties because they are so slow getting off the ice. Any other player would be out of hockey. They are beer league slow. If you want to add pylons for the post season, go ahead! It will be very expensive and they will kill your chances by slowing your roster but hey, they are great guys!

 

[Riggins]

There is no way Francesco Aquilini would retain significant salary on the Sedins. He's a cheapskate pushing a mandate to make the playoffs with a terrible roster that badly needs a rebuild. Retaining salary and dealing the Sedins goes against everything he is standing for.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Thanks for the good laugh.