Proposal: Sedins to the Montreal Canadiens so they can win the Cup

[Addison Rae]

I just can not see how two 36 yr old forwards are going to help the habs win a cup.......

who cares how old they are? not all 36 year olds play the same, ffs. the sedins are still excellent ice hockey players.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Are the Canucks willing to retain 75% of the Sedins salary?

 

[Addison Rae]

Are the Canucks willing to retain 75% of the Sedins salary?

that's against the rules

 

[BatVader]

Desharnais+Emelin and Vancouver keeps the twins till they retire

 

[Paradise*]

Sedins take up space in the playoffs, that's about it.

 

[xxxx]

lol. Sergachyev and Pacioretty and Plekanec for the Sedins?

 

[Johnny Canuck]

if the habs trade for sedins, why the heck would they give up pacioretty? the idea would be to load up and go. would love to see sedins win the cup. however they have another season left after this, and for vancouver to retain 50% in cap space..1st + Scherbak + Sergachyev starts the conversation.


To Montreal
Sedins at 50% retains.

To Vancouver

Scherbak
Sergachev
1st round draft pick 2017
Desharnais (cap dump)
Marc Bergevin signed to a 5 year contract.

 

[mariolemieux66]

if the habs trade for sedins, why the heck would they give up pacioretty? The idea would be to load up and go. Would love to see sedins win the cup. However they have another season left after this, and for vancouver to retain 50% in cap space..1st + scherbak + sergachyev starts the conversation.


To montreal
sedins at 50% retains.

To vancouver

scherbak
sergachev
1st round draft pick 2017
desharnais (cap dump)
marc bergevin signed to a 5 year contract.

what
is
this
!!!!!!!

 

[PM]

If we are retaining on both we would need a very nice package coming back. That is a lot of money to play good players to not play for you. Especially if we are also taking back a cap dump. No owner is going to green light a deal where we pay well over $10 million unless we get something fantastic in return.

 

[JuniorNelson]

who cares how old they are? not all 36 year olds play the same, ffs. the sedins are still excellent ice hockey players.

Let's revisit this in light of tonight's game. I reiterate my position that the Sedins have negative value. They certainly are too slow to join the Habs. I doubt they'd be the fastest guys on the Canadiens' alumni team.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

yeah sure, let's just 'throw in' Juulsen, who along with Sergachev will both be top 3s in Montreal. Where does Bergevin sign for two 36 yo's making 7 mill each?

Maybe instead of being so bias and already pencilling Sergachev and Juulsen as top 3 defenders, you'll notice that the Sedins are 50% retained in that proposal so it is 7 million combined not each smh

 

[biturbo19]

If we are retaining on both we would need a very nice package coming back. That is a lot of money to play good players to not play for you. Especially if we are also taking back a cap dump. No owner is going to green light a deal where we pay well over $10 million unless we get something fantastic in return.

Yeah. This is one of many holdups on the Vancouver end.

The Sedins @ 50% retained each makes the cap more palatable for a receiving team like the Habs...but that means the Aquilinis outlay $14M in salary over this year and next for players they would be paying to help some other team try to win.

Plus, there are expected cap-dumps coming back: DD @ $3.5M this year + Emelin @ $8.6M cash over this year and next for a total of $12.1M. Plus, the $14M retained on the Sedins over two years = $26.1M to pay for some other team to make a good run at a Cup. Sure, it lessens as the season goes on...but it's still an enormous ask to pay that much for players to help another team win.

lmao at the idea of calling up any owner, much less the Aquilinis to ask them for approval on that.


But if there's any snowball's chance in hell of that flying...it'd have to be one heck of a package coming back to Vancouver. Not Pacioretty obviously, that makes no sense. That's asinine. But massive futures package to make it worthwhile trying to essentially "buy" part of a substantial rebuild.


And of course, the Habs moving Emelin as part of the camp dump back to Vancouver...they'd be subtracting a solid NHL guy from a D-Corps where they're already looking to add another Top-4 Guy. If they're "all in" on the next two years as this deal would suppose...they're going to want to bolster their defence, not subtract from it. Which leaves them trying to find another Top-4D somewhere without coughing up assets they just bled all over the Sedin deal.


And of course...The Sedins also have to be down for something like this in the first place. Which is easier said than done...

 

[biturbo19]

Sedins take up space in the playoffs, that's about it.

That's not really true at all. The Sedins have been fantastic in the playoffs at times. Career .7PPG+ players in the postseason and higher in their prime. Carried a team to within a game of winning it all.


But i do think there's an element that's being completely ignored to the idea of trading the Sedins...

You can't just assume they're going to excel in a "secondary role". Yes, they can be highly productive with lower volume of minutes than most other top producers. But at the same time, they've always been heavily dependent on premium offensive minutes - massive OZone Starts, 1st PP Unit time to be successful. That's only been exacerbated in time as they slow down substantially with age.

The idea of adding the Sedins to a team to make a Cup Run isn't a pure + endeavour. It's also a realistic minus to other players who would otherwise be taking those cushy offensive zone starts and PP Minutes. You can't just transplant them "as is" into a 2nd line role and expect the same production. That's foolish. On a Cup Contending team, they're going to be the "secondary offensive players"...which means less premium opportunities, which means they may not even be the 60pt players they were last year. It also means your other players around them may no longer be the same productive players they would be otherwise - if the Sedins start to eat into their deployment opportunities.


Which is why it's hard to fathom a reasonable team actually coughing up the assets to make the whole Sedin-trading exercise feasible for the Canucks.

 

[brokenhole]

Just think of Daniel and Hank feeding Weber with the butter on the pp.

 

[skyo]

Sedins take up space in the playoffs, that's about it.

taking up points in the playoffs yes.

 

[Blue Goose]

Yeah. This is one of many holdups on the Vancouver end.

The Sedins @ 50% retained each makes the cap more palatable for a receiving team like the Habs...but that means the Aquilinis outlay $14M in salary over this year and next for players they would be paying to help some other team try to win.

Plus, there are expected cap-dumps coming back: DD @ $3.5M this year + Emelin @ $8.6M cash over this year and next for a total of $12.1M. Plus, the $14M retained on the Sedins over two years = $26.1M to pay for some other team to make a good run at a Cup. Sure, it lessens as the season goes on...but it's still an enormous ask to pay that much for players to help another team win.

lmao at the idea of calling up any owner, much less the Aquilinis to ask them for approval on that.


But if there's any snowball's chance in hell of that flying...it'd have to be one heck of a package coming back to Vancouver. Not Pacioretty obviously, that makes no sense. That's asinine. But massive futures package to make it worthwhile trying to essentially "buy" part of a substantial rebuild.


And of course, the Habs moving Emelin as part of the camp dump back to Vancouver...they'd be subtracting a solid NHL guy from a D-Corps where they're already looking to add another Top-4 Guy. If they're "all in" on the next two years as this deal would suppose...they're going to want to bolster their defence, not subtract from it. Which leaves them trying to find another Top-4D somewhere without coughing up assets they just bled all over the Sedin deal.


And of course...The Sedins also have to be down for something like this in the first place. Which is easier said than done...

I agree - this is very well put, from the perspective of both teams.

The salary cap is pro-rated as the season goes along - according to CapFriendly, the Habs will have $8.78M in space at the TDL. That's why I believe any Sedins-to-MTL trade would likely have Plekanec coming back, along with the necessary package of futures (Sergachev, McCarron, 1st rd pick). I don't see why MTL should be playing $6M to their 3rd line C, so they can just keep DD in that spot for this season. Meanwhile, Plekanec can take Henrik's spot in the VAN lineup for the next season and get flipped at the 2018 TDL for more futures.

The tricky part would be how MTL could fit the $14M Sedins cap hit into their payroll next season. With Plekanec going to VAN, they just need to find $8M in space - letting DD and Markov walk gives them $9.25M, but then they have to give new contracts to Beaulieu, Radulov and Galchenyuk.

On the one hand, the Sedins would be easier to trade (and get some $$ retained) during the final year of their contract. On the other hand, they'd have more value to another team if they could get TWO playoff runs out of them (but then salary retention becomes more difficult).

 

[rhinoshawarma]

No interest, it would gut our future and/or a valuable piece of our team. Also sedins are way past their prime, and lack the speed the habs play with. They would struggle in this system especially in the playoffs just like vanek did then. This is a no for me, rather go after a cheaper option at the deadline like hanzal or versteeg

 

[fancy dan]

sedins have shown time and time again that they do not have what it takes to be successful in playoffs.

 

[CM-]

sedins have shown time and time again that they do not have what it takes to be successful in playoffs.

Sedins may not be the flashiest but as a top line in the play-offs have gotten 55 pts in 65 GP. Are they the best play-off players ever. No but they are near a PPG. when playing against the other team's top checking line. And the reason a team brings them in is either they play against 2nd pairing and if they are scoring allows them to go against other team's top pairing and moves your first line into a more favorable matchup.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Stanley Cup or not the Sedins will be Canucks till their last games.

 

[goblix]

Sedins take up space in the playoffs, that's about it.

Playoff Games 105
Goals 23
Assists 55
Points 78

seems like they put up points as well as take up space.

 

[fancy dan]

Stanley Cup or not the Sedins will be Canucks till their last games.

so we'll just go with "not" then...

 

[Canuck Luck]

so we'll just go with "not" then...

Do you believe in miracles?

 

[fancy dan]

i'm not a canucks fan but i actually really like the sedins. in a way they have revolutionized the game... my concern is that they lack gumption, have been close but never been able to push past the precipice.

 

[SnoopDogg]

This is a joke, right?

Nobody could possibly this idiotic when it comes to proposals..