Proposal: Sedin twins to Montreal
- Thread starter Brock Boeser
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dude....relax, we don't want them.... Maybe you should keep them if they are that good!
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Bourne Endeavor
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And I'm sure Sutter playing 17+ minutes 17/19 games and spending some time on the Sedin wing has nothing with his above average production this year.
Back on topic, we're not the Twins away from the cup, so no deal.
He spent maybe five games with them. Bonino spent half a season plus playoffs with Kessel. Nice try though.
And yes, actually. We would be. The Sedins alone make Montreal's forward depth arguably the best in the league. Sure, we're still lacking a partner for Weber, but it wouldn't be that big of an issue.
Forwards: Pacioretty, Henrik, Daniel, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Shaw. Plekanec
Defense: Weber, Petry, Beaulieu
Goaltending: Price
Not seeing an issue.
viceroy
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I hope so. 14 million for 100 pts is no great bargain.
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jacks*
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Good then keep them because we as sure as hell don't want them.
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hockeyheadlines
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More likely;
Price, Weber, Beaulieu, Petry, Gallagher, Galchenyuk, Pacioretty, Shaw, Byron, Radulov, and Danault.
Sure we can fit them in but basically, they'd have to come at very little expense to the team.
Are you guys not reading the OP, or did he edit it afterwards? Because he clearly states it would be a trade next year (no expansion concerns or DD) and that the twins would be at 50% so 7M not 14M.
He doesn't mention Sergachev at all. That was a different poster.
His proposal seems ok. Maybe you don't want them, and that's fine. The bashing of them considering what he is asking for seems over the top. If you move out Pleks (most of you seem to consider him a cap dump, hard not to) a mid prospect (I know Juulsen/Sherbak are your best besides Sergachev, just not all that amazing imo) and a 1st which would likely be quite late, Sedins at 37 plus Gallagher is a hell of a 2nd line
I would do that trade in a heartbeat.
Habs need a 2nd line C and winger and the Sedins are exactly what I'm hoping for this season. Montreal's time to win is NOW.
JuniorNelson
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Sedins might make a hundred this season but it's doubtful. That is with a team built around them. They get all O zone starts and are on the top power play unit.
If they were on the second line they would have already followed Higgins out the door. They are too slow to function together as a line. There is no trace of defense (lose the puck? Time to change.) or intensity (slowest off the ice every change) to their play without the puck. The only way to make use of them is on different lines, which they refuse to do, since they outrank the Coach.
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Can we stop with this? It's like the 3rd time since season start we have a Sedins to MTL thread.
No interested to pay the price for the twins.
Exactly on top of them not being the players they once were, the cap space they would be taking up is not worth it.
CanadienShark
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I don't think they would have an issue in MTL. They'd be surrounded by 4 other legit top 6 players and some great depth.
Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Radulov/Gallagher
Sedin - Sedin - Gallagher/Radulov
Byron/Carr - Danault - Shaw
That's a great top 9. And Mitchell is a great #4C.
Bourne Endeavor
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I guess we should dump Pacioretty. He's on the exact same pace as Daniel Sedin, but would technically have a higher salary if Vancouver held 50%, which they would have to in any trade scenario. Hence why the price would still be high.
Your bias (as usual) is showing. The Sedins present pace combined would be 104 points. And that's on a garbage Canucks team where they literally have to do everything. A year ago, they combined for 116 and before that 149. It's utterly absurd to even mention them in the same breath as Higgins, let alone they are remotely close to him. Funny, for this supposed "quick change," they're second and fourth in ice time by only the narrowest of margins. (Henriks played ten seconds less than Sutter as of this post).
Exactly. This is why I would suck up the cost in assets if they actually were made available. That forward depth is disgustingly good. Not to mention, I could easily see them reach 60-70 points on any team that wouldn't have to rely on them entirely. They already come close to that on a team that does.
if Vancouver is willing to the PLekanec, Desharnais and a draft pick as well as balance the cap situation with some retaining, I have no problem
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Bettman Returnz
Why so serious?
Sedin & Sedin
for
Plekanec, DD, draft pick (1st or 2nd) & prospect
I think could make a good starting basis for a trade
rhinoshawarma
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Some of you people are ridiculousThe sedins are still low end 1st line players who slow the game down and control the pace of the game in the offensive zone like no others.
At 36, I'd still expect a solid package.
Sergachev+DD/Emelin+1st for Both Sedins 50% RETAINED
Oh, and enough with the terrible playoff players bull****. Sedins are close to point per game players in the playoffs
LOL
no interest in the sedins. This trade is worst than forsberg for erat. Sergachev will never be a canuck. The fact you think Emelin is a dump like DD is just wrong. We will be over the cap. Not giving another 1st on top of that.
Find another team to scam, we don't want the twins they're not fast enough for our team and we won't pay the price
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IF Montreal:
-still needs offensive depth next year;
-gets improved defensive contributions from other centers;
-both teams still have all those players;
-both teams occupy similar spaces in the standings;
-none of the players in the deal improve or decline significantly; and
-the cap space still works.
Then it would be worth considering. No point in talking about a trade 15 months out.
-still needs offensive depth next year;
-gets improved defensive contributions from other centers;
-both teams still have all those players;
-both teams occupy similar spaces in the standings;
-none of the players in the deal improve or decline significantly; and
-the cap space still works.
Then it would be worth considering. No point in talking about a trade 15 months out.
Bourne Endeavor
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Only if that prospect if Sergachev. There's no reason for Vancouver otherwise as they would simply being doing Montreal a massive favour in absorbing salary just to turn them into a juggernaut.
Emelin absolutely is. He's a third pairing defensemen getting paid almost double his worth. We may not even protect him from the expansion draft. He's worth little more than a 3rd, and even that's generous at his cap hit.
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Burke the Legend
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They might be able to prorata them later in the season (deadline), they have roughly 800,000 to 1,000,000 cap space but it would be tight.
Next year would be tougher though because the Canadiens will have to give out about 5 million in raises (not a problem with Desharnais coming off) but if you bring the Sedins then that becomes +9m$ cap swing so some other 4+ million contract has to be traded or let go (Markov, Emelin or Shaw) even if you add in a cap increase and some marginal trimmings.
Still do-able, and I think Shaw could be expendable, but why wouldn't the Canucks be willing to retain a bit? Seems like something they would have flexibility to do if they commit to rebuilding.
Anyway, big fan of the Sedins and that would be a big upgrade to Montreal. MB should be seriously trying to make something happen if the Canucks throw in the towel.
Plekanec+Desharnais+Hudon+This year or next year's first
for the twins
Gallagher-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Sedin-Sedin-Pacioretty
Shaw-Danault-Byron
Lehkonen-Mitchell-Flynn
Really really like that set of forwards.
for the twins
Gallagher-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Sedin-Sedin-Pacioretty
Shaw-Danault-Byron
Lehkonen-Mitchell-Flynn
Really really like that set of forwards.
Bettman Returnz
Why so serious?
Not really... DD is a UFA at end of this season and yeah we would have to keep Plekanec for one more year @ $5mil. But it also would save us a lot of money next season ($7mil x 2; depending if/how much we absorb).
So if we could get a 1st and good prospect i think it would be worth a good long look.
This all would obviously depend on if the Sedins would waive to go to Montreal. Which i highly doubt will happen but worth discussing at the very least.
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Burke the Legend
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Yeah if you're looking at this in absolute terms, it would still be a positive for Vancouver... The unfortunate fact for Vancouver fans looking to extract huge value from them is that one assumes there is a pretty limited market for the Sedins due to them having a NMC where their conditions to wave would presumably be having to be moved together, and to a contender team (although maybe they won't even consider that, for family reasons).
Very difficult for most solid playoff teams to meet these criteria since it means absorbing a 14$ million cap hit. Montreal happens to have 9.5$ million in deadweight up front... Who else could make a pitch? Anaheim maybe. Nashville?
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I don't know about you but I'm sure as hell Marc Bergevin would pay heavily for them. They are still 1st line players and they'd be on your 2nd line. Do you not understand the advantage they would have not playing against the other team's top dmen? Montreal would easily become cup favorites if they gave up only futures and cap dumps.Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Sedin-Sedin-Gallagher
Byron-Plekanec-Shaw
Danault-Mitchell-XXX
That is absolutely ridiculous.
CanadiensforLife
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Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Sedin-Sedin-Gallagher
Byron-Plekanec-Shaw
Danault-Mitchell-XXX
That is absolutely ridiculous.
You don't know Marc Bergevin because he will never "pay heavily" for 2 aging rentals.
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