Proposal: Sedin twins to Montreal
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Hi-wayman
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Due to time zones & different Conferences, not too many HF Hab fans follow the Canucks. Knowledge of the Canuck roster is mainly based mainly on statistics and comments from other HF fans.
Based on this and other Montreal - Vancouver trade threads it is very clear that most Hab fans would be very upset if Montreal traded for the Sedins even at 50% retained. What came out in the other Montreal - Vancouver trade threads was that Montreal fans felt that Vancouver just wanted to dump some of their older, high salaried players onto the Habs. As Montreal would like to find a top four LHD to play with Weber, HF Hab fans could see Montreal having some interest in Edler (though they would prefer Hutton) and maybe some interest in Hansen. If there is a trade between Montreal & Vancouver, I think Hab fans on HF will expect something like:
To Montreal:
Edler (50% retained)
Hansen (20% retained)
To Vancouver:
Desharnais
Montreal's 2019 third round pick.
As a Canuck fan myself, I would be very upset if such a trade came to be. I would be looking for:
To Montreal:
Edler
Hansen (10% retained)
Subban
To Vancouver:
Juulsen
De La Rose
Montreal's 2017 second round pick.
Based on this and other Montreal - Vancouver trade threads it is very clear that most Hab fans would be very upset if Montreal traded for the Sedins even at 50% retained. What came out in the other Montreal - Vancouver trade threads was that Montreal fans felt that Vancouver just wanted to dump some of their older, high salaried players onto the Habs. As Montreal would like to find a top four LHD to play with Weber, HF Hab fans could see Montreal having some interest in Edler (though they would prefer Hutton) and maybe some interest in Hansen. If there is a trade between Montreal & Vancouver, I think Hab fans on HF will expect something like:
To Montreal:
Edler (50% retained)
Hansen (20% retained)
To Vancouver:
Desharnais
Montreal's 2019 third round pick.
As a Canuck fan myself, I would be very upset if such a trade came to be. I would be looking for:
To Montreal:
Edler
Hansen (10% retained)
Subban
To Vancouver:
Juulsen
De La Rose
Montreal's 2017 second round pick.
Legend123
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Change Juulsen to another prospect and I would do that. Vanc is lacking offense right? You can have McCarron, or Sherack. Maybe Mete tho I would hesitate before trading him.
Your proposal isn't even close to working for Montreals cap. Also. Montreal has a glut of players like Hansen (who actually quite like). Also. Edler is way to inconsistent and injury prone. He's also best as a 2nd pairing guy. His brain seems to shut down when he plays to many minutes
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haulinbass
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If my team was a contender and Van offers the Sedins at 50% retained and take a contract back to make the cap side work I take it.. Could you imagine adding the Sedins to a team who already has a legit 1st line and already a 2nd line as well? For the first time the Sedins wouldn't be the main focus to shut down.
Sedins form an entire line themselves at 7 mill total (50% retained). Having a 1st line ahead of them to draw matchups you could simply just toss your cheapest contract forward with the Sedins and call it a day. 8 million dollar legit top six line that is actually your teams 2nd/3rd line. Now getting better match-ups Sedins would tear it up regardless of their age.
This team would be the favorite to win the cup. Don't care if it's the Rangers, Montreal etc these players are added to, they are the favorite.
In order to get this deal done you might spend some future assets for the salary retention as well as sending a contract back. But it likely pays off.
Sedins form an entire line themselves at 7 mill total (50% retained). Having a 1st line ahead of them to draw matchups you could simply just toss your cheapest contract forward with the Sedins and call it a day. 8 million dollar legit top six line that is actually your teams 2nd/3rd line. Now getting better match-ups Sedins would tear it up regardless of their age.
This team would be the favorite to win the cup. Don't care if it's the Rangers, Montreal etc these players are added to, they are the favorite.
In order to get this deal done you might spend some future assets for the salary retention as well as sending a contract back. But it likely pays off.
Why bther to protect them ? Vegas isnt taking them. Why lose danault or byron. If they agree to trade nmc 's wont be there any more
Why bther to protect them ? Vegas isnt taking them. Why lose danault or byron. If they agree to trade nmc 's wont be there any more
Id do sedins at 2 million retained for this year and next for plekanec emelin scherbak fucale and a first 2018.
Van riemsdyk at 50 per cent retention for beaulieu car and a second.
del zotto for desharnaisnais and third
Van riemsdyk galchenyuk radulov
Sedin sedin gallagher
patchioretty danault shaw
Lekkonen mitchell byron
Flynn
delzotto weber
markov petry
redmond patyrn
protect jvr, galchenyuk, gallagher, patchioretty, danault shaw byron weber delzotto petry price
protect byron galchenyuk gallagher patchioretty danault shaw van riemsyk weber petry del zotto price resign radulov in summer
Van riemsdyk at 50 per cent retention for beaulieu car and a second.
del zotto for desharnaisnais and third
Van riemsdyk galchenyuk radulov
Sedin sedin gallagher
patchioretty danault shaw
Lekkonen mitchell byron
Flynn
delzotto weber
markov petry
redmond patyrn
protect jvr, galchenyuk, gallagher, patchioretty, danault shaw byron weber delzotto petry price
protect byron galchenyuk gallagher patchioretty danault shaw van riemsyk weber petry del zotto price resign radulov in summer
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the sedins have been 2nd 1st and in another 2 years will be 3rd liners for the team.
they will play till 40.
they will sign sub 3 million dollar deals.
they will win twin b2b cups in vancouver and then retire.
book it
june 18th 2019 and june 21st 2020
they will play till 40.
they will sign sub 3 million dollar deals.
they will win twin b2b cups in vancouver and then retire.
book it
june 18th 2019 and june 21st 2020
JuniorNelson
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Or, reality will intrude and somebody will notice the Sedins are the slowest players in hockey. This is starting to leak out in Vancouver where Horvat is getting some offensive zone starts and is pushing the Sedin line into second line status. If he accomplishes this, the Sedins will become unusably slow second liners. Imagine Cheechoo and Heatley on your second line!
SEdins bought out before expansion draft. Like Higgins, they have slowed themselves out of the league.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Montreal is taking on $14 million for the Sedins, Plekanec makes $6 million Montreal doesn't have the cap to fit $14 million while only shedding $6 million. The Sedins are retiring as Canucks end of story.
The OP clearly states 50% retained. Thats both Sedins at $7mil combined...
There would be no change in cap situation for the habs with 2 million retained on each twin for this year and next. In exchange for two thirds of what would be a great line for plekanec and emelin the add isnt all that great. Cap wise we could still pick up more pieces. Switch the first to torontos package with that 2nd and we would be stacked for playoffs
There would be no change in cap situation for the habs with 2 million retained on each twin for this year and next. In exchange for two thirds of what would be a great line for plekanec and emelin the add isnt all that great. Cap wise we could still pick up more pieces. Switch the first to torontos package with that 2nd and we would be stacked for playoffs
SmellOfVictory
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If they fit a team's needs and don't fall off a cliff between now and next March, I'd say the two of them (especially at 50% retained) should be worth a 1st and a decent prospect (not a blue chipper, but a B-ish level guy). Hard for a team to give up much more for guys who are absolutely guaranteed rentals.
Westcoasthabsfan
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MB slams the phone down hard...the Sedins are worth much certainly not a first our number two center and one of our top prospects.....
Twins played their best with AV.
Rangers have a strong history of dealing their first round picks.
Rangers also have a history of trading for, or signing, big name veterans who may be past their prime.
Rangers needs to do something to try for a cup while their star goaltender can still play, plus he's Swedish too.
Twins+Edler max retain all. Total $9.5m cap hit, $9.5m retained. If you guys want Eriksson too cause he's Swedish too, you can, max retain per team is 15% of salary cap.
80% serious, 20% maybe don't take Eriksson.
Rangers have a strong history of dealing their first round picks.
Rangers also have a history of trading for, or signing, big name veterans who may be past their prime.
Rangers needs to do something to try for a cup while their star goaltender can still play, plus he's Swedish too.
Twins+Edler max retain all. Total $9.5m cap hit, $9.5m retained. If you guys want Eriksson too cause he's Swedish too, you can, max retain per team is 15% of salary cap.
80% serious, 20% maybe don't take Eriksson.
nuckfan insk
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Due to the expansion draft IF the sedans are ever dealt it would be in a year or at the entry draft this year.
JuniorNelson
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I think this is the most likely trade scenario. Vigneault may be able to wring some value out of the twins. Part of the decline in Sedin play is that Desjardins can't really tell them what to do. They might still listen to Vigneault?
A major flaw in this post is not taking Aquilini, the meddling owner, into account. I do not believe he will retain salary. I do not believe he will deal Edler, either but whatever.
If NYR, at the deadline, offer the Sedins a run, with the agreement that they retire after the season (like Lecavalier did), I think they might do it. The cost is mitigated at that point and they may yet harbour faint hope of rings? I think this is how you'd have to structure a deal, though and not every team can offer Vigneault.
Canadian Canuck
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Your 1st round pick will be like 25-30, Hudon isn't one of your "top prospects", Id use that title for Sergachev, Scherbak and Juulsen. And third of all Plekanec is redundant if you aquire the Sedins...I don't understand half the posts in this thread. The Sedins will make you instant cup favorites. And to the poster who said their too slow, that's how they play the ******* game. They're elite passers and elite on the cycle that's always been their game.
JuniorNelson
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Right. That's why they need all offensive zone starts. The offensive zone (already gained for them!) is the only environment for the cycle. If someone steps between them he gets a breakaway as the twins can only watch. A lot of the time they use this moment to change because they know they have no back check. This is most apparent in overtime or other four on four situations. They do not have the wheels to recover the puck, it is just lost.
They are so slow they cause "too many men" penalties as they glide back for a change, utterly gassed. This fail is terminal because they don't function anywhere except the O zone and they have slowed so much they are easily checked. They are one trick ponies and everybody is expecting the trick. Watch old films, they were much quicker back in the day.
