Buffalo Bills Season's End: The Off-Seasons Starts Now

[Der Jaeger]

Agreed. Kincaid needs to be getting even more targets next year and I see him as the "No. 2" receiver. Shakir is dependable and may evolve into a larger role. I'd like to see someone who could stretch the field some, like Sanders the year we had him or John Brown in a very specific role.

Otherwise, though, there's not much else to address. Knox and Cook are going to be getting targets, too.

Here's why I think what I think about receiver:

- Great receivers can be found in rounds 2-4. Unless you're getting an elite receiver (Harrison this season, as an example), just wait.
- The Bills are going 12 personnel in the future, and they've already got an elite #1, a good slot guy in Shakir (who is getting better and who I think can be a lot more than a slot receiver), and a very interesting project receiver in Shorter.
- The #2 receiver in the Bills offense isn't a priority position. Davis has done next to nothing aside from block for weeks, and we've watched the Bills win and put up points.
- Whether the Bills go 11 or 12 personnel, the #2 receiver needs to be a vertical threat. Brady just needs to get a player who can beat coverage deep and catch the ball. That doesn't require spending a ton of assets to acquire.

I've been high on Rice because he's a pure outside receiver who can stretch the field vertically and has great hands. But if that's the ask for the offense (and it is), then McMillan, Worthy, Franklin, and Burton could all do that job without allocating a 1st to the position.

There's no way I'm using a 1st round pick on a receiver, aside from Harrison falling, when there's the combination of other greater needs (now and in the future), and receivers who could fill the role available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

 

[buffalowing88]

Here's why I think what I think about receiver:

- Great receivers can be found in rounds 2-4. Unless you're getting an elite receiver (Harrison this season, as an example), just wait.
- The Bills are going 12 personnel in the future, and they've already got an elite #1, a good slot guy in Shakir (who is getting better and who I think can be a lot more than a slot receiver), and a very interesting project receiver in Shorter.
- The #2 receiver in the Bills offense isn't a priority position. Davis has done next to nothing aside from block for weeks, and we've watched the Bills win and put up points.
- Whether the Bills go 11 or 12 personnel, the #2 receiver needs to be a vertical threat. Brady just needs to get a player who can beat coverage deep and catch the ball. That doesn't require spending a ton of assets to acquire.

I've been high on Rice because he's a pure outside receiver who can stretch the field vertically and has great hands. But if that's the ask for the offense (and it is), then McMillan, Worthy, Franklin, and Burton could all do that job without allocating a 1st to the position.

There's no way I'm using a 1st round pick on a receiver, aside from Harrison falling, when there's the combination of other greater needs (now and in the future), and receivers who could fill the role available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Franklin would be my dream No. 2. He's got speed and height and I don't care if he struggles in contested catches because we just need him to do what you already pointed out, be a vertical threat who beats coverage and who Josh can't overthrow a couple times a game.

I'd like Burton, too. He's probably more realistic to get with a mid-round pick.

Also, entirely agree about the number two WR not being a priority position. This team has a diverse set of options and we don't need to put too much emphasis on that spot in particular when the draft capital can go to the defensive line with Floyd, Epenesa, and potentially Miller all gone after this year.

 

[buffa dud]

Chase is going to miss the Bengals' next game against the Steelers.

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

What … the whole country?

No, just my entire family and a chunk of immediate family. We’re all staying in 2 close households for holidays though.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

One Bill's Live Notes:
Phillips to IR (4 games, wrist surgery)
McD: Jones unlikely to play "this" week
AJ, Hyde unlikely to play
Cook back from illness, at practice today (someone here thought the Dallas flu might make an appearance on the Bills...). "Sounds like" it's a isolated case so far
Poona Ford, Ankou, Elam candidates for Phillips spot this week. Bill's must make a decision of Elam by next Wednesday or he will stay in IR the rest of season. Ankou would have to be a full time roster spot add.

Keenan Allen (108 receptions leading nfl) did not practice this week
Dan Leonard not practicing for Chargers (starting corner)
3rd string center Hymas to start for Chargers

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[Husko]

The Chiefs have the greatest QB in a generation, greatest TE in a generation, greatest offensive mind in a generation at HC, and a top 10 OL, and their offense still stinks because their WRs are horrible.

I'm not saying we need to spend a first round pick on Davis's replacement. And in fact I'd only do it if someone that profiles as a long term Diggs replacement falls to us. But going into next year with age 31 Diggs as the only bonafide starting WR on the roster is just asking for trouble.

Here's why I think what I think about receiver:

- Great receivers can be found in rounds 2-4. Unless you're getting an elite receiver (Harrison this season, as an example), just wait.
- The Bills are going 12 personnel in the future, and they've already got an elite #1, a good slot guy in Shakir (who is getting better and who I think can be a lot more than a slot receiver), and a very interesting project receiver in Shorter.
- The #2 receiver in the Bills offense isn't a priority position. Davis has done next to nothing aside from block for weeks, and we've watched the Bills win and put up points.
- Whether the Bills go 11 or 12 personnel, the #2 receiver needs to be a vertical threat. Brady just needs to get a player who can beat coverage deep and catch the ball. That doesn't require spending a ton of assets to acquire.

I've been high on Rice because he's a pure outside receiver who can stretch the field vertically and has great hands. But if that's the ask for the offense (and it is), then McMillan, Worthy, Franklin, and Burton could all do that job without allocating a 1st to the position.

There's no way I'm using a 1st round pick on a receiver, aside from Harrison falling, when there's the combination of other greater needs (now and in the future), and receivers who could fill the role available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

The review of the last 5 draft classes I did a couple weeks ago suggests otherwise. You can find starters in those rounds, but rarely do you find a a true WR1 outside of the first anymore.

 

[Willgamesh]

No, just my entire family and a chunk of immediate family. We’re all staying in 2 close households for holidays though.

Can you at least taste the stollen?

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Note: Saturday's Bills game is Peacock ONLY for out of market customers. NBC Ch2 only in the Buffalo market. (and not on Direct tv). You can sign up for one month of Peacock for 5.99 and stream or find a "alternative stream" if resourceful and familiar with vpn. Start time is 8pm est, NOT 8:15 this week.

 

[Der Jaeger]

The Chiefs have the greatest QB in a generation, greatest TE in a generation, greatest offensive mind in a generation at HC, and a top 10 OL, and their offense still stinks because their WRs are horrible.

I'm not saying we need to spend a first round pick on Davis's replacement. And in fact I'd only do it if someone that profiles as a long term Diggs replacement falls to us. But going into next year with age 31 Diggs as the only bonafide starting WR on the roster is just asking for trouble.


The review of the last 5 draft classes I did a couple weeks ago suggests otherwise. You can find starters in those rounds, but rarely do you find a a true WR1 outside of the first anymore.

The Bills don't need another true #1 receiver because they already have one. Diggs is a master route runner with great hands, and that won't fall off that quickly.

KC doesn't have a top 10 OL. They've got a great center and a good guard. OT leaves a lot to be desired. Yes, KC's receivers are horrible. But Mahomes under pressure on passing downs is also a huge issue. In the Bills game, you could see Bills rushers getting to him late in the game. And they won the Super Bowl last season with Smith-Schuster and MVS as their starting WRs. So their receiver issue didn't stop them last season.

If Beane snags a receiver in round one and passes on the really good OT and DE depth in that round, it'll be a mistake. Receivers are among the quickest to translate into the NFL from college. Unlike the lines, highly ranked receivers can step in and be good faster.

The X receiver in Brady's offense has been an afterthought. Just get a free agent who can run and get deep, with some size preferably, and that player will already be doing what Davis is doing.

 

[Taro Tsujimoto]

 

[Dubi Doo]

KC doesn't have a top 10 OL. They've got a great center and a good guard. OT leaves a lot to be desired. Yes, KC's receivers are horrible. But Mahomes under pressure on passing downs is also a huge issue. In the Bills game, you could see Bills rushers getting to him late in the game. And they won the Super Bowl last season with Smith-Schuster and MVS as their starting WRs. So their receiver issue didn't stop them last season.

I agree with this. I think what is really killing the Chiefs this year is they went from an elite O line to what I'd consider a mediocre O line. The loss of Brown really hurt them. He was a savage in the playoffs.

A wise man once said:
"If you lose this game, you'll take it to your grave. To your f****ing grave!"

 

[SwordsgoneWild]

No excuse to lose to Stick even if they were completely healthy on the O ( outside of Herbert obviously) . Go in there and dominate. There should be loads of Bills fans there as well. That stadium has a habit of filling up with fans from the opposing teams. Good job on moving them to LA Mr Spanos lol. Really cultivating a nice home crowd. I'm sure the team just loves when the road team gets more cheers then they do.

 

[Husko]

The Bills don't need another true #1 receiver because they already have one. Diggs is a master route runner with great hands, and that won't fall off that quickly.

KC doesn't have a top 10 OL. They've got a great center and a good guard. OT leaves a lot to be desired. Yes, KC's receivers are horrible. But Mahomes under pressure on passing downs is also a huge issue. In the Bills game, you could see Bills rushers getting to him late in the game. And they won the Super Bowl last season with Smith-Schuster and MVS as their starting WRs. So their receiver issue didn't stop them last season.

If Beane snags a receiver in round one and passes on the really good OT and DE depth in that round, it'll be a mistake. Receivers are among the quickest to translate into the NFL from college. Unlike the lines, highly ranked receivers can step in and be good faster.

The X receiver in Brady's offense has been an afterthought. Just get a free agent who can run and get deep, with some size preferably, and that player will already be doing what Davis is doing.

I think losing Juju was a massive loss for the offense. He had 100 targets and nearly 1000 yards. Plus, what he brings to the middle of the field as a power slot is TE-lite. Not to mention he was just a veteran adult in the room that knows what to do. Letting him just walk out the door and doing little to replace him was pure arrogance.

Again, I'm not saying the Bills need a first round pick or a $20 million dollar FA to replace Davis. But you need something there. And I'm open to that something being a non comp pick FA.

Not exactly enough, but one name I'd keep an eye on is Noah Brown. Sort of a diet Davis in terms of doing a lot of the small stuff right, very good run blocker.

Mooney would be a fun option for the deep threat role, but I imagine he gets paid more than we can afford. DJ Chark is an interesting idea, deep has always been his forte, but his lack of separation ability brings back all the headaches of Gabe, and he's always injured. I wonder if DPJ gets paid or has to take a prove it deal?

 

[Jim Bob]

The Bills don't need another true #1 receiver because they already have one. Diggs is a master route runner with great hands, and that won't fall off that quickly.

This season under Dorsey, Diggs averaged 7.4 receptions on 10.2 targets per game this year (72.5% catch%) for 86.8 yds/g and 0.7 TD/g.

With 4 games under Joe Brady, those numbers have dropped to 4.5 rec/g on 8.75 tgt/g (51.4% catch%) for 43.15 yds/g and 0.25 TD/g.

Diggs saw his numbers dip after the Minnesota game last year. But, I chalked a lot of that up to Allen's UCL injury.

The second half drop off for Diggs is starting to become a trend. Add in the likely loss of Davis, and adding a solid WR this off season might end up being a pick that everyone sees coming.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

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[Der Jaeger]

I think losing Juju was a massive loss for the offense. He had 100 targets and nearly 1000 yards. Plus, what he brings to the middle of the field as a power slot is TE-lite. Not to mention he was just a veteran adult in the room that knows what to do. Letting him just walk out the door and doing little to replace him was pure arrogance.

Again, I'm not saying the Bills need a first round pick or a $20 million dollar FA to replace Davis. But you need something there. And I'm open to that something being a non comp pick FA.

Not exactly enough, but one name I'd keep an eye on is Noah Brown. Sort of a diet Davis in terms of doing a lot of the small stuff right, very good run blocker.

Mooney would be a fun option for the deep threat role, but I imagine he gets paid more than we can afford. DJ Chark is an interesting idea, deep has always been his forte, but his lack of separation ability brings back all the headaches of Gabe, and he's always injured. I wonder if DPJ gets paid or has to take a prove it deal?

Agree. If the Bills can add in a speedy, non-comp free agent that doesn't break the bank, but can pull the defense deep, that's what I'd be up for.

And I'm also not against taking a receiver in the 2nd or 3rd. If Beane took Brendan Rice in the 2nd, I'd do a few flips.

This season under Dorsey, Diggs averaged 7.4 receptions on 10.2 targets per game this year (72.5% catch%) for 86.8 yds/g and 0.7 TD/g.

With 4 games under Joe Brady, those numbers have dropped to 4.5 rec/g on 8.75 tgt/g (51.4% catch%) for 43.15 yds/g and 0.25 TD/g.

Diggs saw his numbers dip after the Minnesota game last year. But, I chalked a lot of that up to Allen's UCL injury.

The second half drop off for Diggs is starting to become a trend. Add in the likely loss of Davis, and adding a solid WR this off season might end up being a pick that everyone sees coming.

It is a trend, but I don't think it's Diggs as much as defenses are challenging Allen by taking Diggs away. Remember the Diggs tirade on the sideline, where he's yelling at Allen to "not listen to him." That had to be Dorsey.

If the defense is taking away Diggs, the offense can either force feed the ball to him or take what the defense is giving Allen. Last season Allen still tried to force feed the ball everywhere. Since Brady took over, Allen is taking what he's given, and it's worked.

I'd also not overlook Kincaid. He's tied for 32nd in receptions this season among all players. He's the Bills 2nd leading pass receivers in terms of receptions. 21 catches ahead of Cook and 22 catches ahead of Davis.

Diggs may slow down but Kincaid is about to explode.

 

[NotABadPeriod]

The Chiefs have the greatest QB in a generation, greatest TE in a generation, greatest offensive mind in a generation at HC, and a top 10 OL, and their offense still stinks because their WRs are horrible.

I'm not saying we need to spend a first round pick on Davis's replacement. And in fact I'd only do it if someone that profiles as a long term Diggs replacement falls to us. But going into next year with age 31 Diggs as the only bonafide starting WR on the roster is just asking for trouble.


The review of the last 5 draft classes I did a couple weeks ago suggests otherwise. You can find starters in those rounds, but rarely do you find a a true WR1 outside of the first anymore.

Even if you do find a WR1 in those rounds, the hit rate isn't amazing. Look at KC, they've invested picks in Skyy Moore (2nd rounder), Kadarius Toney (trade), Rashee Rice (2nd rounder)...maybe Rice develops into one but I don't see WR1 potential there right now.

I think if one of Harrison/Odunze/Nabers are there (they won't be), you take them.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Even if you do find a WR1 in those rounds, the hit rate isn't amazing. Look at KC, they've invested picks in Skyy Moore (2nd rounder), Kadarius Toney (trade), Rashee Rice (2nd rounder)...maybe Rice develops into one but I don't see WR1 potential there right now.

I think if one of Harrison/Odunze/Nabers are there (they won't be), you take them.

Harrison, sure no brainer.

Odunze, maybe. He’s more raw athlete than receiver.

Nabers, pass. He’s great but his best attributes aren’t his vertical traits. And he’s got motor issues according to some scouting reports. Pass.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

 

[yahhockey]

To confirm the Yates tweet that it looks like no Allen - there will indeed be no Allen

 

[NotABadPeriod]

To confirm the Yates tweet that it looks like no Allen - there will indeed be no Allen

New rule: you can't say "no Allen" in a Bills thread. You're gonna give people heart attacks!

 

[Husko]

Harrison, sure no brainer.

Odunze, maybe. He’s more raw athlete than receiver.

Nabers, pass. He’s great but his best attributes aren’t his vertical traits. And he’s got motor issues according to some scouting reports. Pass.

Surprised you're out on Nabers. He's elite with the ball in his hands, which fits your desire for a horizontal timing offense well. He's my #2 in the WR class, a cut above Odunze.

 

[Djp]

Even if you do find a WR1 in those rounds, the hit rate isn't amazing. Look at KC, they've invested picks in Skyy Moore (2nd rounder), Kadarius Toney (trade), Rashee Rice (2nd rounder)...maybe Rice develops into one but I don't see WR1 potential there right now.

I think if one of Harrison/Odunze/Nabers are there (they won't be), you take them.

the track record of first round wr is not all that good. You have just as much chance outside the first roun

Even if you do find a WR1 in those rounds, the hit rate isn't amazing. Look at KC, they've invested picks in Skyy Moore (2nd rounder), Kadarius Toney (trade), Rashee Rice (2nd rounder)...maybe Rice develops into one but I don't see WR1 potential there right now.

I think if one of Harrison/Odunze/Nabers are there (they won't be), you take them.

the track record of first round wr is not all that good. You have just as much chance outside the first roun

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Surprised you're out on Nabers. He's elite with the ball in his hands, which fits your desire for a horizontal timing offense well. He's my #2 in the WR class, a cut above Odunze.

I'm seeing a mocks that have Nabers in the top 10 of the draft now!

 

[Jim Bob]

Agree. If the Bills can add in a speedy, non-comp free agent that doesn't break the bank, but can pull the defense deep, that's what I'd be up for.

And I'm also not against taking a receiver in the 2nd or 3rd. If Beane took Brendan Rice in the 2nd, I'd do a few flips.

It is a trend, but I don't think it's Diggs as much as defenses are challenging Allen by taking Diggs away. Remember the Diggs tirade on the sideline, where he's yelling at Allen to "not listen to him." That had to be Dorsey.

If the defense is taking away Diggs, the offense can either force feed the ball to him or take what the defense is giving Allen. Last season Allen still tried to force feed the ball everywhere. Since Brady took over, Allen is taking what he's given, and it's worked.

I'd also not overlook Kincaid. He's tied for 32nd in receptions this season among all players. He's the Bills 2nd leading pass receivers in terms of receptions. 21 catches ahead of Cook and 22 catches ahead of Davis.

Diggs may slow down but Kincaid is about to explode.

The taking Diggs away stuff doesn't jive with all the drops lately. The significant drop in catch% is really worrisome to me more than the drop in targets.