Buffalo Bills Season's End: The Off-Seasons Starts Now

[oldgoalie]

Allen needs to get his head out of Hollywood and learn patience, and to take what's given to him on the field.

 

[TageGod]

Would be a great parlay. 16 weekends remaining, and 3 weekends they play each other, so 13 weekends where the above could happen. Odds would be quite low it wouldn't happen - 3 discrete events at 50% probability not factoring quality of opponent, injuries, home vs. road, other factors, the odds are already 1/8 on any given weekend, so cut that by say another 50% for the factors cited above to 1/16. Another way of thinking of it is how many losses for each of those teams this year? Say 4.5 per team on average so total of 13.5, but 3 of those losses will be in the 3 head-to-head games and another 3 of those losses already happened Wk 1, so there are 13 remaining weeks for 7.5 losses total, round up to 8.

13 weeks for an assumed 1/16 probability event to happen once? Probably pay at 100-1.

My head hurts. Let me know if you can find a parlay for that haha.

 

[Ace]

Just in the nick of two offseasons too f***ing late

 

[brian_griffin]

That supports @Der Jaeger's West Coast / Walsh philosophy.

 

[Jim Bob]

Just in the nick of two offseasons too f***ing late

 

[Ace]

The thing I can’t get past with the Bills offense is that they have a guy who wants to throw downfield to receivers and run it himself…and they gave him 2 TE, a pass catching back and the coach doesn’t want him to run.

These aren’t new developments.

If you want Jimmy Garoppolo at QB f***ing go get Jimmy Garoppolo. But stop building an offense for him when you have Josh Allen.

Beane is shopping for the wrong ingredients and then Dorsey follows up by sending them where the QB doesn’t throw. All while captain clap along tells Allen not to run. They’ve taken everything that makes him him and said do the opposite.

 

[kirby11]

That supports @Der Jaeger's West Coast / Walsh philosophy.

Think I posted this somewhere else here, but Allen has to realize (a) you can't go broke taking a profit and (b) those dump-offs have the potential to become substantial gains if there are fewer defenders in the flats/short area of the field

 

[Jim Bob]

The thing I can’t get past with the Bills offense is that they have a guy who wants to throw downfield to receivers and run it himself…and they gave him 2 TE, a pass catching back and the coach doesn’t want him to run.

These aren’t new developments.

If you want Jimmy Garoppolo at QB f***ing go get Jimmy Garoppolo. But stop building an offense for him when you have Josh Allen.

Beane is shopping for the wrong ingredients and then Dorsey follows up by sending them where the QB doesn’t throw. All while captain clap along tells Allen not to run. They’ve taken everything that makes him him and said do the opposite.

Throwing deep into the Jets Cover 2 is not the way to win, even if Allen likes the deep ball.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Dorsey has a vertical timing and EP offensive background, but he's been exposed significantly to the west coast offense.

He played an entire season, including 3 games started, for OC Mike McCarthy in San Francisco. He needs to dig into that bag of tricks.

 

[Der Jaeger]

The thing I can’t get past with the Bills offense is that they have a guy who wants to throw downfield to receivers and run it himself…and they gave him 2 TE, a pass catching back and the coach doesn’t want him to run.

These aren’t new developments.

If you want Jimmy Garoppolo at QB f***ing go get Jimmy Garoppolo. But stop building an offense for him when you have Josh Allen.

Beane is shopping for the wrong ingredients and then Dorsey follows up by sending them where the QB doesn’t throw. All while captain clap along tells Allen not to run. They’ve taken everything that makes him him and said do the opposite.

FIFY in bold. 1996 style.

The thing I can’t get past with the Packers offense is that they have a guy who wants to throw downfield to receivers and run it himself…and they gave him 2 TE (Jackson and Chmura), a pass catching back (Bennett, Levins) and the coach doesn’t want him to run (Holmgren).

These aren’t new developments.

If you want Steve Bono at QB f***ing go get Steve Bono. But stop building an offense for him when you have Brett Favre.

Wolf is shopping for the wrong ingredients and then Sherman Lewis follows up by sending them where the QB doesn’t throw. All while captain angry along tells Favre not to run. They’ve taken everything that makes him him and said do the opposite.

Think I posted this somewhere else here, but Allen has to realize (a) you can't go broke taking a profit and (b) those dump-offs have the potential to become substantial gains if there are fewer defenders in the flats/short area of the field

There's a big difference between a dump off and a pass route / pass route combinations which break under 10 yards. The screenshot with Diggs and Kincaid open aren't dump offs. Those are just routes which are breaking short of 10 yards. Allen needs to take those.

 

[zenthusiast]

I can’t help but think he’s just generally uncomfortable or unconfident with the current scheme and roster. It’s true that he’s never been the most responsible but passing up short open players to chuck it into double coverage is more than that

 

[TageGod]

This was a week 1 script for offense designed to take advantage of what was given to them. Dorsey's play calling in situations vs his overall game plan are not the same thing. The plan was good, some calls were bad. Allen was bad. I'm sure they will be looking deeper next week.

 

[Jim Bob]

I can’t help but think he’s just generally uncomfortable or unconfident with the current scheme and roster. It’s true that he’s never been the most responsible but passing up short open players to chuck it into double coverage is more than that

Or, maybe it's just that the Jets D gives them fits...

Kind of like how the Browns D gives the Bengals fits and nobody is having this type of meltdown over the fact that Joe Burrow and Co only put up 3 points last week.

 

[buffa dud]

Or, maybe it's just that the Jets D gives them fits...

Kind of like how the Browns D gives the Bengals fits and nobody is having this type of meltdown over the fact that Joe Burrow and Co only put up 3 points last week.

Fun facts:

Josh Allen finished with 236 passing yards, a 0.70 completion percentage and 1 touchdown.

Joe Burrow finished with 82 passing yards, a 0.45 completion percentage and 0 touchdowns.

...

Josh Allen had an additional 36 rushing yards.

...

Joe Burrow did not.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Or, maybe it's just that the Jets D gives them fits...

Kind of like how the Browns D gives the Bengals fits and nobody is having this type of meltdown over the fact that Joe Burrow and Co only put up 3 points last week.

Burrow has proven that he can take a team to the super bowl -- Allen has not. So Allen has a lot more to prove, and fans justifiably have a lot more reason to be worried that he doesn't have what it takes to make it to the SB.

Fun facts:

Josh Allen finished with 236 passing yards, a 0.70 completion percentage and 1 touchdown.

Joe Burrow finished with 82 passing yards, a 0.45 completion percentage and 0 touchdowns.

...

Josh Allen had an additional 36 rushing yards.

...

Joe Burrow did not.

Burrow has a lot more success at the NFL level and is so far a better QB, despite cherry picked stats from one game.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Burrow has a lot more success at the NFL level and is so far a better QB, despite cherry picked stats from one game.

He does? I’d love to hear the stats that shows he has a lot more success.

 

[buffa dud]

Burrow has proven that he can take a team to the super bowl -- Allen has not. So Allen has a lot more to prove, and fans justifiably have a lot more reason to be worried that he doesn't have what it takes to make it to the SB.

Burrow has a lot more success at the NFL level and is so far a better QB, despite cherry picked stats from one game.

Burrow has proven that he's capable of 10 post-season touchdowns through 7 games played. On any other team, with any other defensive coordinator, that would be enough to get you killed. But to date, he's gotten by without many people taking notice.

Now, will those numbers eventually align with what (Burrow's) actually capable of? Of course. Just like it's possible for Josh Allen to win an AFC Championship game. Burrow's going to have to pick up the pace sooner than later, though, because it's equally possible Lou Anarumo splits town for a HC gig, that Tee Higgins prices himself out of Cincinnati and the Bengals' roster as a whole suffers courtesy of Burrows' and Higgins' contract extensions.


You're going to have to breakdown "what it takes" to make it to the Super Bowl, because to date Jared Goff, Mitch Trubisky, Carson Wentz et al. have either appeared in the Super Bowl or won the big one. What's Allen missing that so many other quarterbacks have?

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

He does? I’d love to hear the stats that shows he has a lot more success.

Number of Super Bowl appearances for Josh Allen: 0
Number of Super Bowl appearances for Joe Burrow: 1

You're going to have to breakdown "what it takes" to make it to the Super Bowl, because to date Jared Goff, Mitch Trubisky, Carson Wentz et al. have either appeared in the Super Bowl, or won the big one. What's Allen missing that so many other quarterbacks have?

A track record of success? A track record of choking in fewer than 100% of overtime games?

 

[Dubi Doo]

Or, maybe it's just that the Jets D gives them fits...

Kind of like how the Browns D gives the Bengals fits and nobody is having this type of meltdown over the fact that Joe Burrow and Co only put up 3 points last week.

It's because every flaw Allen has in his game was on full display Monday night ( leaving the pocket too early, ignoring the short throws as the game goes on, wreckless while running, dumb INTs). These flaws plagued him as the year went on last year, and posters are having PTSD.

Burrow's struggles were comical, but unlike him unless his elite ball placement suddenly regressed to shit, which I wouldn't complain about haha.

It's only week 1, though. Im concerned, but maybe this is the smack in the face he needs. Unfortunately, we've said that numerous times since the Jets game last year. Allen even admitted that in his post game presser.

Time will tell, i suppose.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Number of Super Bowl appearances for Josh Allen: 0
Number of Super Bowl appearances for Joe Burrow: 1

The least interesting yet most dishonest argument. Shocking

 

[buffa dud]

The least interesting yet most dishonest argument. Shocking

 

[Jim Bob]

Burrow has a lot more success at the NFL level and is so far a better QB, despite cherry picked stats from one game.

Looking at their 2023 Regular Season stats is not cherry picking them from one game.

Allen was bad week 1.

So was Burrow.

The narrative around each guy is vastly different.

Number of Super Bowl appearances for Josh Allen: 0
Number of Super Bowl appearances for Joe Burrow: 1

And they both have the same number of rings: 0.

 

[Dreakon13]

Number of Super Bowl appearances for Josh Allen: 0
Number of Super Bowl appearances for Joe Burrow: 1

That has to be the worst response I've ever seen from someone who just accused someone else of cherry picking stats lol

 

[brian_griffin]

Everyone is overlooking the alternative hypothesis:

Maybe the NFL should return to 4 preseason games and drop week 18 / game 17?

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

That has to be the worst response I've ever seen from someone who just accused someone else of cherry picking stats lol

At the end of their respective careers, It's the only stat that matters besides SB wins.