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Gronk making some good points. I’d really like to know what Diggs actual issue is (assuming he does have an issue).

I don’t necessarily agree that this is Diggs last year in Buffalo though.
 
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Watching a few Joe Brady interviews and the guy hits more cliches than mcDermott
 
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Der Jaeger said:
If Diggs wants out and Beane says no, that’s a huge cancer in the locker room.

And I’m not against Diggs. Just reading the tea leaves. If any important player wants out and you don’t trade him, you might as well just throw a grenade into the middle of the locker room.
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You can do what the Colts did with JT. Put em on a non football list of some kind. You either are bought in or you sit out away from the stadium. You of course just let the player sit there and spew hot garbage to the rest of the team sulking.
 
Shtt happens , shtt can be made to happen

Awesome mitch morse and the team come out punching like the last drive in a gut check that they each havd their backs. They will.

Are u with them. I am . We all care . Can u keep caring without blame and judgement with those love. If you can fight no matter how unfair or slanted against you, those bonds will suddenly turn back in your favor no matter what's thrown at you. Lets go Buffalo. Berman is right.
 
dortt said:
How does firing Dorsey solve issues like 12 men on the field for a field goal that actually cost them the game?
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Already replied to, but that's completely missing the point: If the offence plays like it can, that situation is not even talked about.

Build something that is not so easily faltered by some dumb drops/fumbles/mistakes.
 
LaPlante94 said:
I think moving Diggs any way possible is probably necessary after this season. At some point that excuse I just want to win gets old especially when your brother is talking shit about your QB. Most winning teams don't have superstar receivers if I remember correctly. I feel like the last 10 or so years the TEs have been the most important piece in teams passing attacks because of the mismatches they create. We now have that with Kinkaid. All you need is receivers who can create separation or have speed and design plays to give them a chance to get YAC like the Chiefs do and what the Patriots did which then opens up the deep threat. I don't think you should spend top dollar on receivers and RBs but should do that on your OL and DL. Take advantage of receivers and RBs on rookie deals and let them get paid somewhere else. Not the best of times for all of this because we pretty much have to rebuild the entire defence since it's old and can't stay healthy and even though the defence isn't to blame for our record, our defence just hasn't looked the same since all our top guys got injured.
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It is not possible.

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There is $31M in dead cap space if they move on from Diggs after this season. For a team that is in a "Win Now" mode and is already over the cap for next season, there is no path forward where Diggs is not on the Bills and they are maximizing talent to win in the short term.

Even splitting the dead cap with a post-6/1 move, there is no way the Bills are taking on $8.8M in dead cap in '24 and then $22.2M in dead cap in '25.

The only way the Bills move on from Diggs is if they decide to take a step back for a year or two and enter a mini-rebuild/retool. I cannot see the Bills doing that right now with the new stadium opening soon and having the need to sell PSLs right now.
 
Der Jaeger said:
If Diggs wants out and Beane says no, that’s a huge cancer in the locker room.

And I’m not against Diggs. Just reading the tea leaves. If any important player wants out and you don’t trade him, you might as well just throw a grenade into the middle of the locker room.
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Having $31M in dead cap is a non-starter for a team in both a Win Now window AND trying to sell PSLs for a new stadium.

Stefon Diggs is not dumb. He knows he is not getting traded or released anytime soon. He just needs to learn to deal better with the frustration of losing. He needs to be less of a distraction and just focus on remaining one of the top 5 WRs in the NFL.

And if he wants to win above all else, then someone just needs to get through to him that being a distraction hurts the team's ability to win.
 
Warren Sharp is officially on my "no fly list". Right alongside Skip Bayless and Tim Graham.

Anyone have any other suggestions to round out this Mount Rushmore of ****?
 
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Jim Bob said:
Having $31M in dead cap is a non-starter for a team in both a Win Now window AND trying to sell PSLs for a new stadium.

Stefon Diggs is not dumb. He knows he is not getting traded or released anytime soon. He just needs to learn to deal better with the frustration of losing. He needs to be less of a distraction and just focus on remaining one of the top 5 WRs in the NFL.

And if he wants to win above all else, then someone just needs to get through to him that being a distraction hurts the team's ability to win.
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What you wrote is predicated on one assumption: Diggs will deal with frustrations better, be less of a distraction, and play well.

If that assumption proves to be valid, all good.

If that assumption proves to be false, then Diggs will potentially wreck team chemistry. That's will also have a negative effect on a team in win-now mode and a franchise trying to sell PSLs. And the dead cap will be long forgotten by the time the stadium is completed.
 
Der Jaeger said:
What you wrote is predicated on one assumption: Diggs will deal with frustrations better, be less of a distraction, and play well.

If that assumption proves to be valid, all good.

If that assumption proves to be false, then Diggs will potentially wreck team chemistry. That's will also have a negative effect on a team in win-now mode and a franchise trying to sell PSLs. And the dead cap will be long forgotten by the time the stadium is completed.
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The Bills will have to deal with the potential of Diggs not wrecking the locker room rather than dealing with the FACT of moving Diggs wrecking the salary cap.

And the dead cap will not be long forgotten by the time that PSLs need to be sold. That activity is happening now. And the new stadium is slated to open in 2026. Which means they will need to push to sell tickets throughout the 2025 season.

Well, they are going to have a hard time being good if they have $20M in dead cap space for Diggs alone.

It's not going to happen until post 6/1/2025 at the earliest.

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We shouldn't be doing mock drafts this week. Yet, here we are...

Getting a new WR2, a young S, and a young DT that can play 1-tech would not be a bad first three picks.
 
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Used Spotrac on this:

Cap was $208M in 2022, $224.8M for 2023. Assuming $286M cap, the Bills start the 2024 season -$42M in cap space. What would the team look like if they moved Diggs:


- Trade Diggs
- Re-structure Allen
- Re-structure White (could also cut, his out is after 2023)
- Re-structure Knox
- Re-structure Milano
- Re-structure Oliver
- Re-structure McGovern (could also cut, his out is after 2023)
- Cut Hines
- Cut Poyer
- Cut Morse

That leave the team with around $6M in cap ($10M is the Bills cut White and McGovern).

That leaves the Bills with around 40 players and a draft with plenty of picks.

It's an absolute ton of 2024 dead cap space, but the Bills would be able to re-shape the roster in a season.
 
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Jim Bob said:
The Bills will have to deal with the potential of Diggs not wrecking the locker room rather than dealing with the FACT of moving Diggs wrecking the salary cap.

And the dead cap will not be long forgotten by the time that PSLs need to be sold. That activity is happening now. And the new stadium is slated to open in 2026. Which means they will need to push to sell tickets throughout the 2025 season.

Well, they are going to have a hard time being good if they have $20M in dead cap space for Diggs alone.

It's not going to happen until post 6/1/2025 at the earliest.

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We shouldn't be doing mock drafts this week. Yet, here we are...

Getting a new WR2, a young S, and a young DT that can play 1-tech would not be a bad first three picks.
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Wreck the cap for a season or wreck the locker room for as long as he's here. That's the choice.

Beane has an opportunity for a hard reset after this season. Look at what I did above. Starting lineup and key reserves would be:

WR: Shakir
TE: Kincaid
LT: Dawkins
LG: McGovern (or someone else if he's cut)
C: Bates, Anderson
RG: Torrence
RT: Brown, Van Demark
TE: Knox
WR: Shorter
QB: Allen
RB: Cook, Gilliam

LE: Rousseau
DT: Oliver
NT:
RE: Miller, Jonathan
LB: Milano, Williams
LB: Bernard, Spector
NB: Johnson, Neal
CB: Douglas
CB: Bernard, Elam
S:
S:

That would require a TON of rookies to step up and play. The receivers suck, and there's no DL depth. And Beane would need to get bargain basement safeties. But that's for one season. Then Beane could turn the roster around.

We've talked about how having Allen allows Beane to rebuild the roster 2-3, possibly 4 times he's on the team. This might be one of those hard reset years.
 
Diggs and Josh apparently are both babies in a freaking soap opera we have to endure. FU both. You cant fight like men before the games and after and try to win not handcuffed, ya lil tools. Id kick both your asses as yr BOTH weak.

Not throwing to diggs if he humiliated u Weak .

Saying josh is nothing without u knowing he'll try to win it without you Diggs. Weak.

Yr both f**king poosies. FU for making me watch this bs and helpin these even more cowardly nfl scum zap you both and turn you BOTH into puppets. The morse comments and travon lil shite loser blowing Jerrah fake brotha. Cowardly tweets are not something to help winning w a defense that tries but also failed after Josh actually DID what he probably said to Diggs and won the game withouthim. , Childishly. f*** you both. Rich scum tormenting a stadium.

I better be wrong and you're all puppeted by snake tower cell cia. Win for the kids and peopl In that stadium that make nothing compared to both of you and are enslaved all weak/week , wake In mourning etc. you both cant be as childish as sporto mothers competing sexually w their daughters.
 
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Der Jaeger said:
Wreck the cap for a season or wreck the locker room for as long as he's here. That's the choice.

Beane has an opportunity for a hard reset after this season. Look at what I did above. Starting lineup and key reserves would be:

WR: Shakir
TE: Kincaid
LT: Dawkins
LG: McGovern (or someone else if he's cut)
C: Bates, Anderson
RG: Torrence
RT: Brown, Van Demark
TE: Knox
WR: Shorter
QB: Allen
RB: Cook, Gilliam

LE: Rousseau
DT: Oliver
NT:
RE: Miller, Jonathan
LB: Milano, Williams
LB: Bernard, Spector
NB: Johnson, Neal
CB: Douglas
CB: Bernard, Elam
S:
S:

That would require a TON of rookies to step up and play. The receivers suck, and there's no DL depth. And Beane would need to get bargain basement safeties. But that's for one season. Then Beane could turn the roster around.

We've talked about how having Allen allows Beane to rebuild the roster 2-3, possibly 4 times he's on the team. This might be one of those hard reset years.
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To get under the cap, you likely have to make moves that wreck the cap for '24 & '25.

There is 0% chance they nuke the roster for 2 years of Allen's prime.
 
Der Jaeger said:
Wreck the cap for a season or wreck the locker room for as long as he's here. That's the choice.

Beane has an opportunity for a hard reset after this season. Look at what I did above. Starting lineup and key reserves would be:

WR: Shakir
TE: Kincaid
LT: Dawkins
LG: McGovern (or someone else if he's cut)
C: Bates, Anderson
RG: Torrence
RT: Brown, Van Demark
TE: Knox
WR: Shorter
QB: Allen
RB: Cook, Gilliam

LE: Rousseau
DT: Oliver
NT:
RE: Miller, Jonathan
LB: Milano, Williams
LB: Bernard, Spector
NB: Johnson, Neal
CB: Douglas
CB: Bernard, Elam
S:
S:

That would require a TON of rookies to step up and play. The receivers suck, and there's no DL depth. And Beane would need to get bargain basement safeties. But that's for one season. Then Beane could turn the roster around.

We've talked about how having Allen allows Beane to rebuild the roster 2-3, possibly 4 times he's on the team. This might be one of those hard reset years.
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Hard resets have to happen at some point for practically every franchise. I'm fine with doing that so long as we start doing so this season if we don't go on a run. Get Shorter and Shakir as many touches as possible, bench Harty and Sherfield entirely. Put Dorian Williams out there whenever possible and bench Spector and Dodson's sorry asses. Activate Elam for the end of the season and give him his last chance.

If we're re-setting, lets get moving with the process sooner than later. Thankfully we have a QB who isn't inclined to bitch and moan (at least not yet) and who will be a steady presence during that transition.
 
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Jim Bob said:
To get under the cap, you likely have to make moves that wreck the cap for '24 & '25.

There is 0% chance they nuke the roster for 2 years of Allen's prime.
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With the cap increases and dead space decreased, it doesn't wreck 2025. Here's the numbers off Spotrac:

- Trade Diggs pre-June 1st. 2024 $31M dead cap. Nothing in 2025.
- Cut Hines. $1.3M dead cap in 2024 no matter when the Bills release him.
- Cut Poyer. $2M dead in 2024 cap no matter when the Bills release him
- Cut Morse. $3M dead cap no matter when the Bills release him.

There's no wrecked cap in 2025. It's a one year thing.
 
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