Buffalo Bills Season's End: The Off-Seasons Starts Now

[SundherDome]

If Vrabel is fired, I think he rockets to the top of New England’s list.

Does he want to take his potential last stab at being a head coach with that roster and Mac or a rookie QB? The chargers are enticing if their defense could do anything and Staley prob gets canned

 

[misterchainsaw]

That headline reads like a NY Post article.

That dude clearly has an axe to grind. It was crystal clear on one of the other tweets from him someone posted where he claimed (again without any evidence) that McD had "muddled with the offense til it wasn't recognizable", claimed the Broncos were "way outside FG range" when he called two all out blitzes (which (1) is demonstratably false by any definition of "way outside" and (2)they worked - all Taron had to do was turn his head around and he has an easy play on the ball - ironically a little bit better throw and he would have broken it up without PI).

EDIT: I mean Jesus just read the article. He's grasping at straws during the entire article and changes direction more often than Barry Sanders in front of Detroit's worst offensive line. The last paragraphs of the article are dedicated to how the Bills offense actually started going sour in 2021 and cited the Jacksonville game and the New England game that was f***ing played in a monsoon, ignoring that the Bills offense caught fire 2 months after that and played the only perfect offensive game in NFL history. Elsewhere in that article he says the Bills offense right now is actually good, and it's McDermott's defensive (non)-coaching that is to blame, which, while yes, lack of drive starts and turnovers forced by the defense have been a problem, it's pretty f***ing obvious to anyone with a working mind that the ridiculous amount of injuries to core defensive players is to blame rather than the coaching, which has been actually pretty good even putting the Bills offense in a position to win any of these games.

 

[zenthusiast]

while not expressly out of the range of possible made field goals, kicking successfully from the 45 would be among the ten longest made in nfl history. It’s semantically understood to mean outside of the range to reasonably attempt one.

With respect to results oriented thinking not being the metric, the play didn’t work for one of the major reasons those plays don’t work: dedicating that many players places your cover guys on islands. They all have to play perfectly without support, and it’s reasonably foreseeable that such a perfect coverage won’t happen

 

[Buff15Sabres]

Diggs' brother is posting on X about the situation. What if Diggs demands a trade? At that point, unmovable contract or not, Beane probably has to do something.

Beane: "Ok Stef if you and your agent can facilitate a trade that returns fair value to the team, and doesn't destroy our cap situation, we'll trade you".

Stef/his agent: ".....shit"

 

[misterchainsaw]

while not expressly out of the range of possible made field goals, kicking successfully from the 45 would be among the ten longest made in nfl history. It’s semantically understood to mean outside of the range to reasonably attempt one.

With respect to results oriented thinking not being the metric, the play didn’t work for one of the major reasons those plays don’t work: dedicating that many players places your cover guys on islands. They all have to play perfectly without support, and it’s reasonably foreseeable that such a perfect coverage won’t happen

And just 5 more yards vastly increases the amount of made field goals in NFL history. 10 more yards is clearly within range. That's not by any metric "well outside field goal range". They were literally a quick 5-7 yard out from having what's considered a 50-50 shot at it (from ~55) AND they would have had a first down with plenty of time to try to get more.

He was trying to force 4th down in addition to the odds of making a play. It's not like Denver was going to have to kick the field goal no matter what after the 3rd down play.

 

[zenthusiast]

And just 5 more yards vastly increases the amount of made field goals in NFL history. 10 more yards is clearly within range. That's not by any metric "well outside field goal range".

If that’s your understanding then by definition you think a 70 yarder isn’t clearly outside of fg range either despite never having been accomplished lol

 

[misterchainsaw]

If that’s your understanding then by definition you think a 70 yarder isn’t clearly outside of fg range either despite never having been accomplished lol

What the f*** are you talking about? He said well outside field goal range. As in a couple of short passes wouldn't get them into field goal range.

62 is certainly on the borderline of even trying it vs a hail mary (depending on kicker/weather). 55 is clearly in range to attempt and have some expectation of a decent shot for an NFL kicker to make it. (Tampa's kicker hit a 57 yarder against us here and it wasn't even at the end of a half/game). That's just 7 more yards. 50 is in the range you'd EXPECT your kicker to hit more often than not.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Are the Bills basically the Toronto Maple Leafs of the NFL? With Josh Allen being Matthews?

They both brought their teams respectability after a decade+ of having none. Both of their respective teams had the best opportunity for a championship while on their early contracts but both teams squandered those years, and will have to be happy just making the playoffs for the remainder of their long contracts, with very little hope of winning anything because your star player is taking up too much cap space, but not great enough to make up for the lack of quality depth.

 

[zenthusiast]

What the f*** are you talking about? He said well outside field goal range. As in a couple of short passes wouldn't get them into field goal range.

62 is certainly on the borderline of even trying it vs a hail mary (depending on kicker/weather). 55 is clearly in range to attempt and have some expectation of a decent shot for an NFL kicker to make it. (Tampa's kicker hit a 57 yarder against us here and it wasn't even at the end of a half/game). That's just 7 more yards. 50 is in the range you'd EXPECT your kicker to hit more often than not.

The team that was not actually within range for those cited field goals might have been within range for those field goals if their situation had actually been different, I agree. But as they weren’t, it’s more prudent to discuss where they actually were

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[misterchainsaw]

The team that was not actually within range for those cited field goals might have been within range for those field goals if their situation had actually been different, I agree. But as they weren’t, it’s more prudent to discuss where they actually were

Are you thick?

I'm quoting what he ACTUALLY said, and showing why it was wrong. They were not WELL OUTSIDE field goal range. They were already in long shot field goal range, and 5-10 yards away from being in legitimate field goal range. That is not WELL OUTSIDE field goal range, as he claimed.

 

[zenthusiast]

Are you thick?

I'm quoting what he ACTUALLY said, and showing why it was wrong. They were not WELL OUTSIDE field goal range. They were already in long shot field goal range, and 5-10 yards away from being in legitimate field goal range. That is not WELL OUTSIDE field goal range, as he claimed.

There’s no need to get so upset about this. He did indeed say they were well outside field goal range, and in all reasonable sense of the term, they were. Any sort of theorycrafting about potential yardage gains on subsequent downs may be valid but it’s not where they actually were.

 

[misterchainsaw]

There’s no need to get so upset about this. He did indeed say they were well outside field goal range, and in all reasonable sense of the term, they were. Any sort of theorycrafting about potential yardage gains on subsequent downs may be valid but it’s not where they actually were.

No they were not. Well outside field goal range suggests that short gains wouldn't be enough to get into field goal range. If he wanted to communicate that they were just not currently in realistic FG range, the "well" part of the "well outside field goal range" is flat out incorrect. And if we want to get technical, he says when they called "two all out blitzes" - Denver was in fact in long but realistic FG range before the first one.

He uses that language on purpose - he's suggesting that the blitz was a bad play because the Bills could afford to give up a gain, as long as it wasn't a big play. That is patently false - not to mention that it was 3rd down with plenty of time on the clock, meaning even a very short gain would make 4th down - if they decided it was still outside of range, (like a 3 or 4 yard gain bringing up 4th and 6 or 7) easier as well

McDermott went for the kill with a depleted defense that had been hemorrhaging yards throughout the 4th quarter and I have no problem with it. The defense hadn't shown they could stop the Broncos from getting 10 yards (or more) in two plays for the entire 4th quarter.

 

[zenthusiast]

No they were not. Well outside field goal range suggests that short gains wouldn't be enough to get into field goal range. If he wanted to communicate that they were just not currently in realistic FG range, the "well" part of the "well outside field goal range" is flat out incorrect. And if we want to get technical, he says when they called "two all out blitzes" - Denver was in fact in long but realistic FG range before the first one.

He uses that language on purpose - he's suggesting that the blitz was a bad play because the Bills could afford to give up a gain, as long as it wasn't a big play. That is patently false - not to mention that it was 3rd down with plenty of time on the clock, meaning a short gain would make 4th down - if they decided it was still outside of range, (like a 3 or 4 yard gain bringing up 4th and 6 or 7) easier as well

McDermott went for the kill with a depleted defense that had been hemorrhaging yards throughout the 4th quarter and I have no problem with it. The defense hadn't shown they could stop the Broncos from getting 10 yards (or more) in two plays for the entire 4th quarter.

You’re entitled to disagree but I find that yardage pretty substantial, *especially* in the time and down scenario. If it had been the Bills in that scenario I certainly wouldn’t have assumed it would work out simply in their favor.

McDermott gambled and lost, and I think one doesn’t have to either approve or disapprove of that choice to acknowledge that. The question is whether he gambled on good odds

 

[buffa dud]

No they were not. Well outside field goal range suggests that short gains wouldn't be enough to get into field goal range. If he wanted to communicate that they were just not currently in realistic FG range, the "well" part of the "well outside field goal range" is flat out incorrect. And if we want to get technical, he says when they called "two all out blitzes" - Denver was in fact in long but realistic FG range before the first one.

He uses that language on purpose - he's suggesting that the blitz was a bad play because the Bills could afford to give up a gain, as long as it wasn't a big play. That is patently false - not to mention that it was 3rd down with plenty of time on the clock, meaning even a very short gain would make 4th down - if they decided it was still outside of range, (like a 3 or 4 yard gain bringing up 4th and 6 or 7) easier as well

McDermott went for the kill with a depleted defense that had been hemorrhaging yards throughout the 4th quarter and I have no problem with it. The defense hadn't shown they could stop the Broncos from getting 10 yards (or more) in two plays for the entire 4th quarter.

Bingo.

*Queues up National Lampoon Christmas Vacation*

 

[Jim Bob]

2024 NFL Mock Draft 2.0: New York Giants trade up, select USC's Caleb Williams at No. 1 overall

The 2024 NFL Draft order is starting to take shape. The Arizona Cardinals own the first pick in this mock draft, but PFF's Trevor Sikkema has them sticking with QB Kyler Murray, opening the door for the New York Giants to trade up and select the best quarterback prospect in the class.

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17. BUFFALO BILLS: WR KEON COLEMAN, FLORIDA STATE​

• Record: 5-4
• Player ADP (via MDS): 15.0
• Player Big Board Rank: 16

Bills first-round tight end Dalton Kincaid is getting more involved in the offense. But they could use another stud receiver alongside Stefon Diggs. The contested-catch beast that is 6-foot-4, 215-pound Keon Coleman could be a perfect addition to Buffalo's passing attack.

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Coleman’s pregame meal is insane. Some might even say disgusting.

There are multiple factors that go into his pregame meal, including kickoff time and location. However, he recently revealed what a meal might look like if the Seminoles are playing a four o’clock game.

It is almost always from McDonald’s and looks something like this:

• Two hot and spicy McChicken sandwiches with cheese and extra mayonnaise
• Medium french fries
• 10-piece chicken McNuggets
• Oreo McFlurry

Seriously. That is what one of the best wide receivers in college football eats before taking the field on Saturdays in the fall.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

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[Jim Bob]

Diggs' brother is posting on X about the situation. What if Diggs demands a trade? At that point, unmovable contract or not, Beane probably has to do something.

The do something is tell Diggs that he can't deal with $31M in dead cap space and he needs to be a part of the solution and not a part of the problem.

 

[Selanne00008]

The do something is tell Diggs that he can't deal with $31M in dead cap space and he needs to be a part of the solution and not a part of the problem.

Comment isn't directed at you. And agreed with your comment.

But the whole what if Diggs demands a trade shouldn't even matter, at all. It's November, the season is barely half over. This is a what if, that isn't even close to a definite happening (the demand aspect) until February at the earliest. Cross that bridge when we get to it in 2024.

He can demand all he wants. If he does, and we say he isn't moveable, then what? Game of chicken? BB will hold his ground and fine him for not showing up. Diggs isn't going anywhere.

 

[Der Jaeger]

The do something is tell Diggs that he can't deal with $31M in dead cap space and he needs to be a part of the solution and not a part of the problem.

If Diggs wants out and Beane says no, that’s a huge cancer in the locker room.

And I’m not against Diggs. Just reading the tea leaves. If any important player wants out and you don’t trade him, you might as well just throw a grenade into the middle of the locker room.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

2024 NFL Mock Draft 2.0: New York Giants trade up, select USC's Caleb Williams at No. 1 overall

The 2024 NFL Draft order is starting to take shape. The Arizona Cardinals own the first pick in this mock draft, but PFF's Trevor Sikkema has them sticking with QB Kyler Murray, opening the door for the New York Giants to trade up and select the best quarterback prospect in the class.

www.pff.com

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As a Nole myself, I would die of happiness of we drafted Keon. He has some of the best hands I've ever seen.

 

[LaPlante94]

I think moving Diggs any way possible is probably necessary after this season. At some point that excuse I just want to win gets old especially when your brother is talking shit about your QB. Most winning teams don't have superstar receivers if I remember correctly. I feel like the last 10 or so years the TEs have been the most important piece in teams passing attacks because of the mismatches they create. We now have that with Kinkaid. All you need is receivers who can create separation or have speed and design plays to give them a chance to get YAC like the Chiefs do and what the Patriots did which then opens up the deep threat. I don't think you should spend top dollar on receivers and RBs but should do that on your OL and DL. Take advantage of receivers and RBs on rookie deals and let them get paid somewhere else. Not the best of times for all of this because we pretty much have to rebuild the entire defence since it's old and can't stay healthy and even though the defence isn't to blame for our record, our defence just hasn't looked the same since all our top guys got injured.