Buffalo Bills Season's End: The Off-Seasons Starts Now

[stealth1]

Since the Green Bay game last season Allen has regressed a lot. Some of its play calling but also think some is Allen have himself. He's not a pocket passer and never been good at reading the defense. He was at his best when he was scrambling and making the deep throws.

 

[Jim Bob]

Or, the team is slowly being stripped of the talent that made them a "disciplined" team by a combination of old age, late round selections (courtesy of the draft process), the salary cap and the unfavorable schedule that goes along with winning games.

Ladies and gentlemen, we're all just here watching the pine needles slowly immolate while the forest fire rages in the distance - the forest fire being the CBA. Firing a coach is a kin to throwing a bucket of water (if you think the coach is a problem) or gasoline (if the coach isn't actually the problem) on the forest fire. It truly doesn't matter, because the mechanism is already in place to turn your team to ash.

There are ways to stop that, but you're going to need the players and coaches alike to do something truly remarkable. Like a pine tree growing needles with a flash point that'll stand up to the sun. They're going to have to change their nature...

An example: the vets would need to take paycuts to get their cap-hits well below their performance levels. And that will free Beane up to supplement the roster via free agency. I'd love to count on the draft, but the lottery process is already defined. And, it's almost entirely random to begin with. There's only so much you can do in that regard.

This team has not been stripped of talent. They have been decimated by injuries on defense. But, the offense has the best OL talent of the last 5 years, the best TE talent of the last 5 years, the best RB talent of the last 5 years, and the WR room is roughly the same.

What has remained the same:

Most INTs in the NFL:

2023 - Josh Allen 11
2022 - Dak Prescott & Davis Mills 15 [Josh Allen t-3rd 14]
2021 - Matthew Stafford & Trevor Lawrence 17 [Josh Allen t-3rd 15]
2020 - Carson Wentz & Drew Lock 15 [Josh Allen t-13th 10]
2019 - Jameis Winston 30 [Josh Allen t-16th 9]

There is no draft lottery in the NFL. So, I do not know where that is coming from.

Changing coaches matters. Just look at the Eagles after they moved on from Andy Reid and how KC has looked after bringing Andy Reid in. You need to have the right mix of GM-HC-QB.

And the QB is the hardest one to upgrade upon.

 

[Der Jaeger]

After sleeping on the loss, here’s what I’d do:

McDermott needs to stay but he needs to go back to being the head coach. Discipline and execution have suffered this season, and he’s too deep with the defense. The defense has played better under him but he needs to go back to being the head coach.

I’d monitor the Commander’s situation. McDermott knows Ron Rivera well. Would Rivera come in and take the DC job if he gets fired? Could Rivera talk Bienemy into coming into coach the offense?

That’d be a way to right the ship in a big way.

 

[K8fool]

Nfl rips buffalo's collective heart out w a cherry on top bs reception to enable a drive and a sky ball DPI that Taron had position and turned , although guaranteed win call

My bitch is it guaranteed when cincy touches so we need to accept a dpi and other bs and take more clock when we took lead or let denver score and got ball back with minute in wwe bs league.

 

[Jim Bob]

Orlovsky on OBL will be fun this week,,,

 

[K8fool]

This team has not been stripped of talent. They have been decimated by injuries on defense. But, the offense has the best OL talent of the last 5 years, the best TE talent of the last 5 years, the best RB talent of the last 5 years, and the WR room is roughly the same.

What has remained the same:

Most INTs in the NFL:

2023 - Josh Allen 11
2022 - Dak Prescott & Davis Mills 15 [Josh Allen t-3rd 14]
2021 - Matthew Stafford & Trevor Lawrence 17 [Josh Allen t-3rd 15]
2020 - Carson Wentz & Drew Lock 15 [Josh Allen t-13th 10]
2019 - Jameis Winston 30 [Josh Allen t-16th 9]

There is no draft lottery in the NFL. So, I do not know where that is coming from.

Changing coaches matters. Just look at the Eagles after they moved on from Andy Reid and how KC has looked after bringing Andy Reid in. You need to have the right mix of GM-HC-QB.

And the QB is the hardest one to upgrade upon.

All 8 of 11 were so dumb and out of current character compared to his beautiful surgical destruction of most d. 3 maybe 4 great d scheme and suckered our boy and or great play on d but how

Is that coaching. I can see removing pukachu enhanced reality possibility by rolling him out and running on Dorsey but c'mon

 

[kirby11]

I get it, but all week we heard about cleaning up mistakes. They had players only meetings. They came out and got the ball first to make a statement. They went 5 players lined out. It was time to make that statement. And cook fumbled on the first play. I mean, come on. You just can’t do that. It’s inexcusable. Just because other players make mistakes, doesn’t mean what Cook did in that situation was okay.

True. I wouldn't have minded benching Cook for a series or two, but it seemed excessive for 1 fumble in 27 games, although the timing of it was abysmal.

 

[Jim Bob]

True. I wouldn't have minded benching Cook for a series or two, but it seemed excessive for 1 fumble in 27 games, although the timing of it was abysmal.

The issue I have is that they benched Cook and Davis got 98% of the snaps. I think the Davis INT was way more on the player than Cook's fumble.

 

[Husko]

Did anyone ask McDermott why Cook got benched by Gabe didn’t?

 

[K8fool]

Sissypuss will see u next week.

One more side effects of intense tower targeting is inflammation and injuries

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

After sleeping on the loss, here’s what I’d do:

McDermott needs to stay but he needs to go back to being the head coach. Discipline and execution have suffered this season, and he’s too deep with the defense. The defense has played better under him but he needs to go back to being the head coach.

I’d monitor the Commander’s situation. McDermott knows Ron Rivera well. Would Rivera come in and take the DC job if he gets fired? Could Rivera talk Bienemy into coming into coach the offense?

That’d be a way to right the ship in a big way.

So your solution to all this is to just hire a DC? I have a feeling the season ticket holders will disagree.

Since the Green Bay game last season Allen has regressed a lot. Some of its play calling but also think some is Allen have himself. He's not a pocket passer and never been good at reading the defense. He was at his best when he was scrambling and making the deep throws.

Ironically, that’s around the time his paycheck went up to the size of a small nation’s GDP.

Coincidence, or just the work luck in the world for Buffalo?

 

[whiplash]

Or, the team is slowly being stripped of the talent that made them a "disciplined" team by a combination of old age, late round selections (courtesy of the draft process), the salary cap and the unfavorable schedule that goes along with winning games.

Ladies and gentlemen, we're all just here watching the pine needles slowly immolate while the forest fire rages in the distance - the forest fire being the CBA. Firing a coach is a kin to throwing a bucket of water (if you think the coach is a problem) or gasoline (if the coach isn't actually the problem) on the forest fire. It truly doesn't matter, because the mechanism is already in place to turn your team to ash.

There are ways to stop that, but you're going to need the players and coaches alike to do something truly remarkable. Like a pine tree growing needles with a flash point that'll stand up to the sun. They're going to have to change their nature...

An example: the vets would need to take paycuts to get their cap-hits well below their performance levels. And that will free Beane up to supplement the roster via free agency. I'd love to count on the draft, but the lottery process is already defined. And, it's almost entirely random to begin with. There's only so much you can do in that regard.

This is a terrible analogy but it's an excuse to say you're missing the forest for the trees and have it make more sense than usual.

I'm numb at this point. McDermott should go, or (in an ideal world) just abstain from touching anything related to the offensive playbook and calls. Neither will likely happen so it's back to spinning the wheels.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

I’ve argued with members of my family for years who felt that McDermott was not the answer. I’ve staunchly defended him for the culture he has been able to instill here.

Having said that, I think it’s time. We see it all the time in the NHL - coaches, even really good ones, often get to a point where they lose the room, where their message becomes stale. I think we’ve gotten to that point with McDermott. I truly don’t think his conservative decision making in critical moments will get us to the Super Bowl. It won’t beat the other offenses powerhouses in the playoffs.

As for Beane, I could go either way. His drafting has by and large been subpar, although Rousseau and Kincaid are certainly looking like hits.

Get me someone like Ben Johnson or Kellen Moore. A fresh face with an aggressive mindset.

 

[DapperCam]

Before this season there is no way I would have predicted that the wheels would fall off in this way. I’m pretty surprised.

 

[Zman5778]

Before this season there is no way I would have predicted that the wheels would fall off in this way. I’m pretty surprised.

A Steelers fan colleague of mine and I had a discussion:

The Bills are 5-5 with a +78 differential.
The Steelers are 6-3 with a -26 differential.

EVERY SINGLE Bills loss has been by 6 points or less.
EVERY SINGLE Steelers win has been by 7 points or less.


Football is f***ing strange sometimes.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

 

[TehDoak]

Me watching the end of last nights game.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

A Steelers fan colleague of mine and I had a discussion:

The Bills are 5-5 with a +78 differential.
The Steelers are 6-3 with a -26 differential.

EVERY SINGLE Bills loss has been by 6 points or less.
EVERY SINGLE Steelers win has been by 7 points or less.


Football is f***ing strange sometimes.

It’s strange to you because you’re focusing on differential, which means nothing.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Zman5778]

It’s strange to you because you’re focusing on differential, which means nothing.

Neither me nor my colleague are idiots. Of course we realize that point differential means very little.

It's more a spin on two teams with (sort of) similar records playing/winning/losing completely opposite type games......yet both teams are firmly in the playoff hunt. Despite taking wildly different paths to get there.

 

[Zman5778]

Me watching the end of last nights game.

Tom Grossi pretty much nailed it for me:

 

[TehDoak]

Overall, I'm annoyed. McDermott can game plan a heck of a defense. How they were able to keep Denver at bay for most of the game missing six starters was just impressive. But, this is the same thing we've seen when the offense just sucks. By the end of the game, the defense cracks because they have been on the field for 35+ minutes.

This is the 3rd game this season they've had no business losing but do anyways.

1. The Jets game
2. The Patriots game
3. This game.

This should be a 8-2 football team. We're 5-5. Each of these games we've lost on the last play of the game vs teams we should beat.

Jets: 4 turnover
Patriots: 2 Turnovers
Broncos: 4 turnovers

It's Ok to have a stinker once in a while.

You can't have 3 stinkers in a season (let alone the 1st 10 games) where you lose on the last play of the game after you've lost the turnover battle. You can't. That isn't a well coached team.

There is some bad luck in there (two of the most impossible catches this year, Wilsons catch in game 1 and the sutton toe drag last night were vs us).

In the end though, no excuses. Accountability, team wide. Allen, McDermott, and Dorsey all need to answer for why this is happening. I think we are seeing some outgrowth of problems with McDermott focusing on the D too much and not being able to do the big head coaching things. The little things the bills were so good at with McDermott previously just aren't there now.

 

[Jim Bob]

Overall, I'm annoyed. McDermott can game plan a heck of a defense. How they were able to keep Denver at bay for most of the game missing six starters was just impressive. But, this is the same thing we've seen when the offense just sucks. By the end of the game, the defense cracks because they have been on the field for 35+ minutes.

This is the 3rd game this season they've had no business losing but do anyways.

1. The Jets game
2. The Patriots game
3. This game.

This should be a 8-2 football team. We're 5-5. Each of these games we've lost on the last play of the game vs teams we should beat.

Jets: 4 turnover
Patriots: 2 Turnovers
Broncos: 4 turnovers

It's Ok to have a stinker once in a while.

You can't have 3 stinkers in a season (let alone the 1st 10 games) where you lose on the last play of the game after you've lost the turnover battle. You can't. That isn't a well coached team.

There is some bad luck in there (two of the most impossible catches this year, Wilsons catch in game 1 and the sutton toe drag last night were vs us).

In the end though, no excuses. Accountability, team wide. Allen, McDermott, and Dorsey all need to answer for why this is happening. I think we are seeing some outgrowth of problems with McDermott focusing on the D too much and not being able to do the big head coaching things. The little things the bills were so good at with McDermott previously just aren't there now.

I'd love to know what Allen answering for all the mistakes he keeps making looks like to you.

Personally, it would be cleaning house with the coaching staff and not allowing Allen to have a huge voice in the replacement. We've seen him not get better after listening to Allen's wishes when they were replacing Daboll at OC.

 

[KeyserSoze81]

I'm content that my only addiction is the Sabres. I couldn't do both.

I've done both for ~30 years (when I really became a hockey fan). With the Bills especially, I grew to love watching them !@#$ the bed in all sorts of creative ways during the drought years. It was a blissful state of schadenfreude. I reversed course in 2020, and then became incredibly invested in 2021 & 2022, just because I sensed that those were the best chances at a Superbowl, with Allen on his rookie contract)...but...I was absolutely miserable watching those games. The stakes were so high because the window was closing (parallels to the 2006-2007 season for the Sabres, which I also hated).

This year, I expected the window to close, but this implosion is downright hilarious. So it's back to spite watching. I highly recommend it, as you come away happy with the outcome either way. They either win (Yay team!) or they lose in a way that you will never forget.

 

[SabresFan26]

Is there a tear emoji?

Overall, I'm annoyed. McDermott can game plan a heck of a defense. How they were able to keep Denver at bay for most of the game missing six starters was just impressive. But, this is the same thing we've seen when the offense just sucks. By the end of the game, the defense cracks because they have been on the field for 35+ minutes.

This is the 3rd game this season they've had no business losing but do anyways.

1. The Jets game
2. The Patriots game
3. This game.

This should be a 8-2 football team. We're 5-5. Each of these games we've lost on the last play of the game vs teams we should beat.

Jets: 4 turnover
Patriots: 2 Turnovers
Broncos: 4 turnovers

It's Ok to have a stinker once in a while.

You can't have 3 stinkers in a season (let alone the 1st 10 games) where you lose on the last play of the game after you've lost the turnover battle. You can't. That isn't a well coached team.

There is some bad luck in there (two of the most impossible catches this year, Wilsons catch in game 1 and the sutton toe drag last night were vs us).

In the end though, no excuses. Accountability, team wide. Allen, McDermott, and Dorsey all need to answer for why this is happening. I think we are seeing some outgrowth of problems with McDermott focusing on the D too much and not being able to do the big head coaching things. The little things the bills were so good at with McDermott previously just aren't there now.

Giants should've been a loss to on PI in the end zone that wasn't called (also at Taron Johnson) like most teams are targeting.