Buffalo Bills Season's End: The Off-Seasons Starts Now

[misterchainsaw]

I mean JFC they lost today because of individual mistakes by the PLAYERS.

The inexcusable end of half pick that cost them 3 points (that allen proceeded to say was a bad throw rather than what it was - a misread or a forced ball).

The ball through Davis's mitts, Allen dropping the ball on the handoff to Cook AGAIN, the player staying on the field despite knowing he's not a member of the FG block.

Tonight was a player induced loss. Nothing less.

Losses this season to the Broncos, Patriots and Jets. 5-5-0 record. In serious danger of missing the playoffs this season. Needed a pretty significant miracle of a no-call to not lose to the Giants and be 4-5-0. I'm appreciative of what has transpired in recent seasons under McDermott but that is not translating to a successful 2023-24 season by any means. We're floundering with zero identify and three of the next four opponents are the cream of the NFL crop right now.

Smart teams don't fire a coach for one bad year. By all means f*** around and find out what happens when your franchise does. Spoiler: you'll probably just be screaming for the next guy's head the way the people who wanted Daboll out in the middle of 2021 are now the loudest about wanting Dorsey out.

 

[Reddawg]

Smart teams don't fire a coach for one bad year. By all means f*** around and find out what happens when your franchise does. Spoiler: you'll probably just be screaming for the next guy's head the way the people who wanted Daboll out in the middle of 2021 are now the loudest about wanting Dorsey out.

Tell it to the Chiefs after they bailed on Romeo Crennel and hired Andy Reid.

 

[misterchainsaw]

Sure, and I wouldn’t even say he’s a bad coach, though I think that team got a little lucky. I just don’t think he’s the reason they’ve had good results of late, in the same way I think most coaches are indebted to some extent to their qbs. If the bills hired anyone but a full-on moron, they’ll still be good with Josh at the helm. If McD went to KC and replaced Reid they’d probably still be the class of the league because Mahomes is that good

Good qb's are not all it takes. Watson was at the height of his qb abilities and went 3-13. I keep hearing Hebert's this QB wunderkind and yet he doesn't even have a playoff win in...4? seasons. Meanwhile nick foles, backup to Carson Wentz, lead the eagles to 13-3 and a super bowl win.

Tell it to the Chiefs after they bailed on Romeo Crennel and hired Andy Reid.

Romeo crennel was a career mediocre coach who never had a single season like McD, much less two, and Andy Reid is an amazing head coach.

Tell me we can have Andy Reid and sure I'll pack the bus for McDermott. But obviously that's not happening

I mean Jesus f*** man KC went 2-14 the year they fired him and 4-15 for KC overall. Talk about apples and oranges

 

[zenthusiast]

Good qb's are not all it takes. Watson was at the height of his qb abilities and went 3-13. I keep hearing Hebert's this QB wunderkind and yet he doesn't even have a playoff win in...4? seasons. Meanwhile nick foles, backup to Carson Wentz, lead the eagles to 13-3 and a super bowl win.


Romeo crennel was a career mediocre coach and Andy Reid is an amazing head coach.

Tell me we can have Andy Reid and sure I'll pack the bus for McDermott. But obviously that's not happening

Watson was always a garbage time fraud and I’ve been shouting it from the rooftops. Herbert is a fraud too imo. But yeah sometimes you just straight up have dreadful coaches like Nate Hackett or whatever. I don't think the team would have to worry about that.

 

[Ehran]

I mean JFC they lost today because of individual mistakes by the PLAYERS.

The inexcusable end of hand pick that cost them 3 points (that allen proceeded to say was a bad throw rather than what it was - a misread or a forced ball).

The bank through Davis's mitts, Allen dropping the ball on the handoff to Cook AGAIN, the player starting on the field despite knowing he's not a member of the FG block.

Tonight was a player induced loss. Nothing less.


Smart teams don't fire a coach for one bad year. By all means f*** around and find out what happens when your franchise does. Spoiler: you'll probably just be screaming for the next guy's head the way the people who wanted Daboll out in the middle of 2021 are now the loudest about wanting Dorsey out.

When the coaches aren't holding the players accountable for repeatedly making the same mistakes, then its not just the players.

And simple NFL fact is that it's easier to get rid of a coach than most players. Just need to bring in someone that can get Allen back on track and under control. Doesn't necessarily mean McDermott needs to go but somebody has to take control of Allen and get his turnover tendency reduced. IMO

 

[misterchainsaw]

When the coaches aren't holding the players accountable for repeatedly making the same mistakes, then its not just the players.

And simple NFL fact is that it's easier to get rid of a coach than most players. Just need to bring in someone that can get Allen back on track and under control. Doesn't necessarily mean McDermott needs to go but somebody has to take control of Allen and get his turnover tendency reduced. IMO

Careful now, "not letting Josh be Josh" is what most of the *redacted* on this site want McD/Dorsey fired for.

 

[misterchainsaw]

Watson was always a garbage time fraud and I’ve been shouting it from the rooftops. Herbert is a fraud too imo. But yeah sometimes you just straight up have dreadful coaches like Nate Hackett or whatever. I don't think the team would have to worry about that.

I mean, Manning missed the playoffs in his 4th year after the Colts had established themselves. Drew Brees missed the playoffs SIX times with the saints. Surely we can agree Josh is closer to Brees in terms of legacy than Brady/Manning? Not in style, but in overall ability? When it's all said and done I think Josh would be happy with a Brees-esque career.

Dan Marino missed 5-6 times when healthy over his career (he missed a couple of starts in one of those hence the hedge). Montana went 3-6 the year after the Niners win the super bowl in 81. It's not nearly as simple as "get qb, win games".

 

[johnjm22]

I'm glad we lost.

 

[zenthusiast]

Noted, but I think the league is very much more qb-centric now than it was even ten-twenty years ago. The NFL has recomposed itself to glorify the passing game

 

[K8fool]

The inexcusable end of hand pick that cost them 3 points (that allen proceeded to say was a bad throw rather than what it was - a misread or a forced ball).

The bank through Davis's mitts, Allen dropping the ball on the handoff to Cook AGAIN, the player starting on the field despite knowing he's not a member of the F

Sorr To pick what i think is a typical , the playerz blow response

Anyone here can give me odds of turnovers first two plays ( almost.). Is cook a fumbler
My view of a preordained nfl result was the handoff fumble. Two zombie looks from josh and cook of something they do a million times. Costs a game ?

This isn't sport w nfl manipulating results and helping give hope then rip the guts out of players fans and the stadium w troy the douche banging on nonstop no matter what happens on greatness of denver and bills suck or crickets.

Realize you are fooked w and drop guilt and take responsibility like wind or other outside elements like last louchdiwn and take false sight enhanced reality to synthetic telepathy out by running and simplifying on key plays.
Fook the fans. We with eyess to see know yiu don't suck and understand your enemies. Win the next game. That's it. You are against cowardly scum that fail to accept real outcomes in sport. This isnt sport. Don't let it go to your heads. My wife and I have been fooked w for many years and it's easier to mitigate after you see thr subtle manipulation of body mind at key moments. Narcotics slightly change your frequency and give partial immunity , relieving of charge , grounding may help. Understand methods employed, tactics. If left alone you'd all break records on O.
Im leaving out personal responsibilities, No Tell me odds of each. In a key game. Twelve on a final kick? How did that bright idea appear in one guys head. Odds!

 

[misterchainsaw]

Noted, but I think the league is very much more qb-centric now than it was even ten-twenty years ago. The NFL has recomposed itself to glorify the passing game

Well Brees is from the modern Era, but even look at Mahomes - if that KC defense isn't top 5 they're likely .500 or worse right now. Who are the other premier QB's? Jackson and Prescott have sat at home during the playoffs once already in their young career. Burrow could very well miss this year if you look at their schedule. And the shelf life for the others is too short to look at career trends like that, or at the least they're too young right now to have run in to the odd off year yet.

 

[Taro Tsujimoto]

Heading off to bed, but please accept this parting gift:

 

[DapperCam]

Tell it to the Chiefs after they bailed on Romeo Crennel and hired Andy Reid.

Or the Eagles bailing on Doug Pederson after he won them a SB and arguably becoming even better.

Coaching has been an issue for the Bills. A lot of weird collapses, and head scratching game management. I hope they part ways with McD. I don’t think he will take us to the promised land. We’ll probably go 6-11 or 7-10 this season. Yikes!

 

[Krieger Bot]

This should be the end of the "Gabe is a #2 WR" crowd, right? Over the past month Josh is 13-23 for 114 yards (4.96 y/a) 1 TD, 1 INT, and 1 fumble when targeting Gabe. Maybe there's an argument that Kincaid is already a #2. But this should end the "Gabe's just fine, all they need is another offensive lineman" argument.

 

[K8fool]

Remember this called minesota miracle


On the last play of the game, Vikings quarterback Case Keenum threw a 27-yard pass to wide receiver Stefon Diggs; Saints safety Marcus Williams missed a tackle, allowing Diggs to run to the end zone to complete the 61-yard touchdown pass.

Does Marcus Williams SUCK ? Lets learn today hf boards. Yes or No?

 

[buffa dud]

It’s the quarterback, not the coach.

Tell it to the single-play defense that's still holding opposing offenses to less than 30 points per game, in spite of the offense giving up the ball at the most in opportune moments.

 

[K8fool]

No Marcus Williams doesnt suck even though he tackled air. His perception and vision was enhanced by nfl in real time. Watch interviews decide for yourself

 

[K8fool]

No Marcus Williams doesnt suck even though he tackled air. His perception and vision was enhanced by nfl in real time. Watch interviews decide for yourself

Nfl is getting bolder w Bills in Jets game Pats and This denver debacle they fook w Josh. Cook , both togeter etc and D and with questionable zebra calls to ensure game winning drive as aikman scum talks all night of his love for denver. Even commercial mocks bills in real time , towers and telephony goodbye sport unless we perceive and help protect josh and d as they persist against all odds in a masonic pre ordained outcome

 

[Jim Bob]

Smart teams don't fire a coach for one bad year. By all means f*** around and find out what happens when your franchise does. Spoiler: you'll probably just be screaming for the next guy's head the way the people who wanted Daboll out in the middle of 2021 are now the loudest about wanting Dorsey out.

If you think this is a one year thing, you haven't been paying attention.



This is just the latest of a team that has hit a plateau and likely needs a coaching change to get to the level that the fans hope they can eventually get to.

And the fact that you have a coach that preaches discipline and you have a team that is losing very winnable games due to bad decisions, turnovers, penalties, and just overall sloppy play tells me that the message has gotten stale and they need major changes with the coaching staff.

 

[kirby11]

I'm just about over the game, but I still can't believe McD benched Cook for almost the entire first half for fumbling, yet decided it was fine for Davis to get 98% of the snaps when his drop both ended a drive that would've been in the red zone and prevented them from attempting a field goal. Inconsistently applied accountability is one surefire way to lose a locker room, especially one that seemed to be losing faith in the coaching staff already.

 

[Dirty Dog]

I'm just about over the game, but I still can't believe McD benched Cook for almost the entire first half for fumbling, yet decided it was fine for Davis to get 98% of the snaps when his drop both ended a drive that would've been in the red zone and prevented them from attempting a field goal. Inconsistently applied accountability is one surefire way to lose a locker room, especially one that seemed to be losing faith in the coaching staff already.

I get it, but all week we heard about cleaning up mistakes. They had players only meetings. They came out and got the ball first to make a statement. They went 5 players lined out. It was time to make that statement. And cook fumbled on the first play. I mean, come on. You just can’t do that. It’s inexcusable. Just because other players make mistakes, doesn’t mean what Cook did in that situation was okay.

 

[buffa dud]

If you think this is a one year thing, you haven't been paying attention.



This is just the latest of a team that has hit a plateau and likely needs a coaching change to get to the level that the fans hope they can eventually get to.

And the fact that you have a coach that preaches discipline and you have a team that is losing very winnable games due to bad decisions, turnovers, penalties, and just overall sloppy play tells me that the message has gotten stale and they need major changes with the coaching staff.

Or, the team is slowly being stripped of the talent that made them a "disciplined" team by a combination of old age, late round selections (courtesy of the draft process), the salary cap and the unfavorable schedule that goes along with winning games.

Ladies and gentlemen, we're all just here watching the pine needles slowly immolate while the forest fire rages in the distance - the forest fire being the CBA. Firing a coach is a kin to throwing a bucket of water (if you think the coach is a problem) or gasoline (if the coach isn't actually the problem) on the forest fire. It truly doesn't matter, because the mechanism is already in place to turn your team to ash.

There are ways to stop that, but you're going to need the players and coaches alike to do something truly remarkable. Like a pine tree growing needles with a flash point that'll stand up to the sun. They're going to have to change their nature...

An example: the vets would need to take paycuts to get their cap-hits well below their performance levels. And that will free Beane up to supplement the roster via free agency. I'd love to count on the draft, but the lottery process is already defined. And, it's almost entirely random to begin with. There's only so much you can do in that regard.

 

[SabresFan26]

Alright:

After sleeping on the loss of last night here's where I am at.

They need to fire Sean McDermott.
They need to clean house of the staff. I am still 50/50 on Brandon Beane.

I will be forever grateful to McDermott for taking a middle of the pack drought team and making it respectable and winning the division three times.

However, he is not the guy to win championships here. There are major cultural issues in the locker room (Stefon Diggs and the whole summer fiasco), more and more players are losing faith. The sloppiness, development of offensive players/fundamentals, the decision making, the track record of close losses. We almost lost to Miami in the playoffs with a third string QB last year. He blamed Frazier and last night he sounded like a DC who was more blaming the offense and saying, "well the defense played good". Who cares, you're in charge of the TEAM. Special teams were awful yet again, McDermott already made a change there after the 13 seconds debacle.

Every day we keep McDermott is another day we waste with Josh Allen. Allen isn't disciplined and needs a QB whisperer. I think that is what Daboll was best at (his relationship and mentorship of Josh).

We have a better chance of finishing the bottom of the Division then winning.

We did have some consistency as McDermott has been here since 2017 (6 years), but he isn't the guy to fix all of these problems, he's arguably regressing.

I actually think he might fire Dorsey today as a scapegoat but McDermott is the one having his hands in every jar and the more responsibility he takes on the worse we get.

Stefon Diggs is right.

Where do we go?

We need to hire one of the sexy offensive HCs, imagine McDaniels with Josh and Diggs! Then we have that coach for the long haul. Look at Belichick with no Tom Brady. Offensive HCs win in this league plain and simple. They are the play callers.

 

[Gabrielor]

I'm content that my only addiction is the Sabres. I couldn't do both.

 

[K8fool]

Alright:

After sleeping on the loss of last night here's where I am at.

They need to fire Sean McDermott.
They need to clean house of the staff. I am still 50/50 on Brandon Beane.

I will be forever grateful to McDermott for taking a middle of the pack drought team and making it respectable and winning the division three times.

However, he is not the guy to win championships here. There are major cultural issues in the locker room (Stefon Diggs and the whole summer fiasco), more and more players are losing faith. The sloppiness, development of offensive players/fundamentals, the decision making, the track record of close losses. We almost lost to Miami in the playoffs with a third string QB last year. He blamed Frazier and last night he sounded like a DC who was more blaming the offense and saying, "well the defense played good". Who cares, you're in charge of the TEAM. Special teams were awful yet again, McDermott already made a change there after the 13 seconds debacle.

Every day we keep McDermott is another day we waste with Josh Allen. Allen isn't disciplined and needs a QB whisperer. I think that is what Daboll was best at (his relationship and mentorship of Josh).

We have a better chance of finishing the bottom of the Division then winning.

We did have some consistency as McDermott has been here since 2017 (6 years), but he isn't the guy to fix all of these problems, he's arguably regressing.

I actually think he might fire Dorsey today as a scapegoat but McDermott is the one having his hands in every jar and the more responsibility he takes on the worse we get.

Stefon Diggs is right.

Where do we go?

We need to hire one of the sexy offensive HCs, imagine McDaniels with Josh and Diggs! Then we have that coach for the long haul. Look at Belichick with no Tom Brady. Offensive HCs win in this league plain and simple. They are the play callers.

Oh the certainty of what you saw. What a shame. When you rewatch years later you'll see massive manipulation in this pats and jets to enable a vastly inferior team to win at the emotional cost of all

In your take Josh sucks and must be stupid ten percen Of time. Mcd kept us in a game that wilson truly tried like a super bowl w 4 turnovers and 1 or two on downs