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Gabrielor said:
Ditto for my group of friends. It all started in the 2nd half of that GB game. Offense hasn't been the same since.

And the HC shouldn't be the HC anymore. They need an offensive coach.
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It’s hard not to feel loyalty to McDermott. Dude rescued the Bills from absolute irrelevance. I get the sentiment, BUT I am not personally ready to move on from the only decent coach the Bills have had since Marv. The culture problem right now is Josh and his lack of confidence. They need a damn QB whisperer.
 
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truthbluth said:
It’s hard not to feel loyalty to McDermott. Dude rescued the Bills from absolute irrelevance. I get the sentiment, BUT I am not personally ready to move on from the only decent coach the Bills have had since Marv. The culture problem right now is Josh and his lack of confidence. They need a damn QB whisperer.
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He lost me after 13 seconds. That's a sports scar that'll never heal.
 
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Gabrielor said:
And they may never play in that game again judging how yesterday went. If Allen is average/bad, they have no other win condition.
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Ok, let’s all take a breath. Josh had elite moments against what might be an all time great defense. He has a confidence problem. Let’s get him a slump buster. Also, I’m going to need Dalton Kincaid to be a revelation because I think Gabe is just actually bad.
 
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They were talking about the issue on WGR this morning. Their conclusion is that Allen gets bored doing the check downs and taking what the defense gives him. Teams know this so they tend to let him have the 5-6 yard stuff cause they know he's going to eventually go to hero ball.

Fezzy126 said:
You're looking at the wrong coach...



McD's body of work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dorsey
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I don't even know its totally that. When they ran the scripted plays at the beginning of the game and using the check downs the offense was working. What they need is to make Josh more of a game manager
 
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stealth1 said:
They were talking about the issue on WGR this morning. Their conclusion is that Allen gets bored doing the check downs and taking what the defense gives him. Teams know this so they tend to let him have the 5-6 yard stuff cause they know he's going to eventually go to hero ball.


I don't even know its totally that. When they ran the scripted plays at the beginning of the game and using the check downs the offense was working. What they need is to make Josh more of a game manager
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Everything you describe falls on Dorsey. It's not just play calls and gameplan, Dorsey is also coaching Allen about the defensive keys and the order of his progressions. Allen's order of progressions looked broken on the pass intended for Gabe for the 3rd interception. He had 3 wide open options and forced the ball into a blanketed Gabe. Allen's fault or Dorsey for not preparing Allen well enough on his presnap read and progression order?

Take this play:



Jets send 6 and the Bills pick it up well. Every single reply to this post talks about the Bills o-line getting pushed back, but what I see is Allen take one read and immediately drop his eyes. Maybe it's on Allen, but send 6 against Mahomes and the majority of the time there's a wide open outlet running free. I've watched Shanahan, Reid, McVay, and others for years, so I'm always going to side with the player and blame the coach when things break down.
 
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13 points in one half against the jets defense was great. They had success. Then they got sloppy, impatient, and stopped throwing to Diggs. Dorsey just does not have the situational awareness to be a coordinator. James cook should not have had a single run up the middle against that D. Cook was also open the ENTIRE GAME in the flat for a catch and run play. The Jets literally said here take 4 yards our players will rally to you and stop you there.
 
Cincinnati and KC also lost week 1 and didn't look particularly impressive doing so. Cincy got physically manhandled.

If Josh played just a tiny bit better, we beat the Jets pretty handily.

I'd rather this kinda crap happen Week 1 and we build to a crescendo at the end of the season/playoffs.
 
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truthbluth said:
Ok, let’s all take a breath. Josh had elite moments against what might be an all time great defense. He has a confidence problem. Let’s get him a slump buster. Also, I’m going to need Dalton Kincaid to be a revelation because I think Gabe is just actually bad.
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I'm completely cool. I emotionally detached from the Bills last year during the Vikings game. I'm disappointed I took the bait into watching the whole game, but I'm not effected by Bills wins/loses anymore.

I have the Sabres for that emotional ride, and the 49ers as my childhood nostalgia love.
 
TageGod said:
13 points in one half against the jets defense was great. They had success. Then they got sloppy, impatient, and stopped throwing to Diggs. Dorsey just does not have the situational awareness to be a coordinator. James cook should not have had a single run up the middle against that D. Cook was also open the ENTIRE GAME in the flat for a catch and run play. The Jets literally said here take 4 yards our players will rally to you and stop you there.
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The bolded contradicts your Dorsey statement. Dorsey saw enough to call the right plays for the most part........and Josh got very, very, very impatient.

I thought Dorsey, for the most part, called a fine game last night. It's not his fault Josh left his brain in Buffalo and made stupid play after stupid play.
 
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TageGod said:
13 points in one half against the jets defense was great. They had success. Then they got sloppy, impatient, and stopped throwing to Diggs. Dorsey just does not have the situational awareness to be a coordinator. James cook should not have had a single run up the middle against that D. Cook was also open the ENTIRE GAME in the flat for a catch and run play. The Jets literally said here take 4 yards our players will rally to you and stop you there.
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I put a lot of blame on Allen for that. At the beginning of the game Allen was taking the underneath stuff and throwing it to the open receivers. Why did Allen not continue that.
 
The world isn't ending for this team but it absolutely should be for Spencer Brown. I hope they left him in the parking lot.

And James Cook is NOT his brother. Murray looked better out there and he's a decade older. If Cook isn't elusive and he isn't strong, I'm not sure what he is...
 
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Dorsey may be a smart man but it’s about maximizing your players and their talent. And if he can’t get Josh to understand his playbook or not make him better/fix the issues, then he ain’t it.
 
stealth1 said:
I put a lot of blame on Allen for that. At the beginning of the game Allen was taking the underneath stuff and throwing it to the open receivers. Why did Allen not continue that.
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Dorsey's inability to scheme anyone open downfield is a huge problem for Allen. That is in his DNA, they need to find a way to get them open. He won't take the easy play all game. Deep passes are like his drug.

buffalowing88 said:
The world isn't ending for this team but it absolutely should be for Spencer Brown. I hope they left him in the parking lot.

And James Cook is NOT his brother. Murray looked better out there and he's a decade older. If Cook isn't elusive and he isn't strong, I'm not sure what he is...
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McDermott is a fine HC and will do a better job with the defense than Frazier. The problem last night is the same dumb problem as last season, and to some extent the season before. Allen can't settle to take the small gains that defenses give him. Mahomes et al made that mistake against TB in the SB, because they walked in expecting to light up TB based on the regular season game. TB played cover 2 and other safer schemes and KC didn't know what to do, because their OL also wasn't good enough to protect TBs front four pressure. Allen and Dorsey have been failing at this consistently for over a season now, and Allen alone for longer. I hate to make a Brady reference here but Brady dumbed down TBs offense down the stretch the year they beat KC. It was inefficient and TO prone trying to go deep too much. He imposed his will and brought more two TE sets, lateral motion and conservative but consistent gains to burn through the last four games and three HOF QBS in the playoffs.

The Bills have a ton of talent and a ten cent offensive strategy that falls on both Dorsey and Allen to figure out. They also need a bigger better OL for a running game that isn't all about Allen breaking free from the pocket. It's too late for that now though. The Jets and other games from last year have set a blueprint to beat Buffalo's offense - sit back and prevent the big plays and Allen will hand it to you. Nobody was open in the intermediate range either and Dorsey has to get TEs and RBs open somewhere besides the flat.
 
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If the Bills don't play to their potential this year, i.e. don't win a playoff game, I think Dorsey will be the scapegoat for McDermott. Frazier was last year. If 2 years and nothings is different, McDermott's seat will begin to get very hot.
 


If only we could have known that somehow before the season. Oh well. Onto the next pass rusher.
 
kirby11 said:
I generally agree, and he had some mind-numbing plays with Daboll, too, but it feels like the back-breaking "what the **** are you doing" sequences have increased in both frequency and levels of stupidity under Dorsey. Hunting for a kill shot while up 1 or 2 scores and instead throwing a deep pick into double coverage has basically become a weekly staple since the 2nd half of the Packers game last year, and I don't remember seeing that happen as often during prior seasons.
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He has been turning over the ball way too much his entire NFL career.

He was better for the first 7 games or so last season and then things regressed. He talked about how that had been a focus all offseason and then the brain cramps were really bad last night.

If Allen is unwilling or unable to listen to Dorsey and McD, he will be the reason they are let go.
 
For perspective, PFF has Spencer Brown at 55 (bad), McGovern at 43 (horrendous), Morse at 60 (not great), Dawkins at 65 (not great) and O'Cyrus Torrence at 69 (very good for a rookie) after one game.
 
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