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Zman5778 said:
I wish he'd figure out how to use Cook more.
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I think the biggest downgrade here is that Cook is awful in pass protection. I was never a Singletary fan, but he was at least a dual threat (excellent in pass pro, adequate as a runner). Considering they abandon the run so quickly, Cook is a wasted asset. They clearly have no idea on how to maximize specialized player skillsets (Hines, Harty, Cook). Slants and screens are apparently non viable options.
 
From the Patriots dynasty, Belicheck always has said "Football season starts after thanksgiving"

It's about playing your best when the games matter most.

I'd certainly feel much better with an easy stretch schedule than we have.

But, I think we've been October champions before. It isn't worth anything.

But, the reality is:

Win the next 2. Both are must wins. 7-4.

Split the Eagles/Chiefs games. Tough, but doable.

8-5

2-3 wins out of NE, Dallas @LA and @Miami

11-6, That is probably good enough for the AFC East champ, especially if that win is VS Miami.

10-7 is a wildcard most years, especially when you consider the AFC North still have to play each other a ton.

I think the most likely outcome is:

KC, Miami, Baltimore, and Jacksonville are Division champs

Buffalo, Cinci, and one other are wild cards (Pick'em between Cleveland/Pitt/LA, maaaaybe Houston)
 
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TehDoak said:
From the Patriots dynasty, Belicheck always has said "Football season starts after thanksgiving"

It's about playing your best when the games matter most.

I'd certainly feel much better with an easy stretch schedule than we have.

But, I think we've been October champions before. It isn't worth anything.

But, the reality is:

Win the next 2. Both are must wins. 7-4.

Split the Eagles/Chiefs games. Tough, but doable.

8-5

2-3 wins out of NE, Dallas @LA and @Miami

11-6, That is probably good enough for the AFC East champ, especially if that win is VS Miami.

10-7 is a wildcard most years, especially when you consider the AFC North still have to play each other a ton.

I think the most likely outcome is:

KC, Miami, Baltimore, and Jacksonville are Division champs

Buffalo, Cinci, and one other are wild cards (Pick'em between Cleveland/Pitt/LA, maaaaybe Houston)
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I see them at best 10-7 but most likely 9-8. The defense is too banged up. I don't see the offense all of a sudden being dominant again. Out of the 9 games they have played only 3 have they scored more than 24 points. IMO those 3 games makes the offense look better than it really is.
 
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Is the Bills offense really a problem? The battle of perception vs. reality

Should Bills offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey actually be blamed for the unease around the team's status?
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All the while, statistical evidence overwhelmingly suggests the critics have it backward, that the Bills’ injury-depleted defense is holding back one of the NFL’s top offenses.

With this paradox in mind, I thought it would be instructive (and fun) to juxtapose real questions asked of McDermott and Dorsey this week with evidence to the contrary — not just for these three recent defeats, but for Dorsey’s 25-game tenure. The picture that emerges could not be clearer. The Bills have become more productive on offense under Dorsey even as production across the league has regressed.
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TehDoak said:
From the Patriots dynasty, Belicheck always has said "Football season starts after thanksgiving"

It's about playing your best when the games matter most.

I'd certainly feel much better with an easy stretch schedule than we have.

But, I think we've been October champions before. It isn't worth anything.

But, the reality is:

Win the next 2. Both are must wins. 7-4.

Split the Eagles/Chiefs games. Tough, but doable.

8-5

2-3 wins out of NE, Dallas @LA and @Miami

11-6, That is probably good enough for the AFC East champ, especially if that win is VS Miami.

10-7 is a wildcard most years, especially when you consider the AFC North still have to play each other a ton.

I think the most likely outcome is:

KC, Miami, Baltimore, and Jacksonville are Division champs

Buffalo, Cinci, and one other are wild cards (Pick'em between Cleveland/Pitt/LA, maaaaybe Houston)
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Yeah. I believe this team can still go all the way, and not in the "so you're saying there's a chance?" way. I think they're still a contender.

The issue is getting into the playoffs. The schedule is extremely difficult. They need to be on the top of their game just to get into the wildcard, or the Dolphins need to lose a few winnable games, which they don't do very often.

As I said, this year is a bit reminiscent of 2021. The problem is our division is much tougher. We went 5-1 in the division in 2021. We've already lost 2 divisional games. I'd also assume our schedule in general is a fair bit tougher.

Let's see what happens. The defense gave me a ton of hope with the way they played against the Bengals. I think we can beat them if we meet them in Jan. I didn't feel that way before. We just need to hope the defense stays healthy and the offense can tweak a few things to turn those long drives into more TDs!
 
Jim Bob said:
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All-22 Analysis: The open case of Buffalo Bills WR Gabe Davis, featuring Cincinnati’s Bengals

Zero catches? What’s the deal?
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For people that did not think that Davis ever got open vs the Bengals...
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I'm not of the mind. I do however think he may have lost Josh's trust, and just isn't getting the looks. Conversely, it looks like Allen's really feeling Kincaid.

Dubi Doo said:
Yeah. I believe this team can still go all the way, and not in the "so you're saying there's a chance?" way. I think they're still a contender.

The issue is getting into the playoffs. The schedule is extremely difficult. They need to be on the top of their game just to get into the wildcard, or the Dolphins need to lose a few winnable games, which they don't do very often.

As I said, this year is a bit reminiscent of 2021. The problem is our division is much tougher. We went 5-1 in the division in 2021. We've already lost 2 divisional games. I'd also assume our schedule in general is a fair bit tougher.

Let's see what happens. The defense gave me a ton of hope with the way they played against the Bengals. I think we can beat them if we meet them in Jan. I didn't feel that way before. We just need to hope
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Well, hold on there. The Dolphins have to play the Bills, the Ravens, and the Cowboys. They also have two games remaining against the Jets who have one of the best defenses in the league.

It's not out of the realm of possibility they go 0.500 down the stretch. And if they lose that second game against the Bills, we could be talking about another division title (as bad as things have gone so far.)
 
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stealth1 said:
I see them at best 10-7 but most likely 9-8. The defense is too banged up. I don't see the offense all of a sudden being dominant again. Out of the 9 games they have played only 3 have they scored more than 24 points. IMO those 3 games makes the offense look better than it really is.
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If we play well against denver. We get a chance to go 4 and 2 against a good schedule ramping up for playoffs as our two great additions to D gel w our rookies at linebacker imoroing on big stage against Denver . They learn to play as a team as Dorsey continues to set up the league.
Shakir and kincaid have proven trustworthy and have taken heat off diggs and josh. Fournetfe and the return of knox will allow josh to complete deep passes or Gash w him or a back running.
If we are 10 and 6 w the division on the line or our seeding , ill take our chances w miami ar home. Be kind to our division fans. Don't be chicken little. Trust this team. This great team and our great QB and McD and Dorsey.

This team is messed w on so many cheaty non football. Levels. Elf . Synthetic telepathy . Voice of god tech to simple trampled by nyc and zebras. No excuse and team is
 
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KeyserSoze81 said:
I think the biggest downgrade here is that Cook is awful in pass protection. I was never a Singletary fan, but he was at least a dual threat (excellent in pass pro, adequate as a runner). Considering they abandon the run so quickly, Cook is a wasted asset. They clearly have no idea on how to maximize specialized player skillsets (Hines, Harty, Cook). Slants and screens are apparently non viable options.
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Draft nerdiness kicking in. PFF with some projections.

1st round: Patrick Paul, OT Houston. Tall, lanky LT with one of the best win rates in CFB in the passing game. He gets a year at RT before potentially taking over for Dawkins (re-sign and move to LG?), or just staying at RT.

2nd round: Brendan Rice, WR USC. Fast, tall, hand catcher who is a lot more than just the son of Jerry Rice.

3rd round: Sedrick Van Pran, C Georgia. Best center in CFB but not a super elite prospect. Stout, powerful, and experienced in big games.
 
Jim Bob said:
I have a hard time squaring the take that "Dorsey isn't doing a great job scheming our playmakers open" with the fact that Allen is having his best season ever with regards to completion% and things like this:

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Shakir and Kincaid are the only non-RBs in the top 10 in Catch% this season.

And Shakir is the only WR in the top 20.

That does not happen if the OC is failing to scheme guys open, IMO.
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This analysis is part of the problem, and these type of stats are also a big criticism of both Dorsey and Joe Brady - They scheme an offense that is too reactive to the defense and doesn't attack enough or use any elements of creativity. Some of the articles I posted earlier explained this.

If you call a cover 3 beater every time the defense plays a cover 3, your analytics are going to look very good, especially when you have elite players that can execute perfectly. But there is no creativity or attacking mentality there. Where's the jet sweep and orbit motions? Where are the cheat motions that the entire league is taking from the Dolphins? Where are the creative personnel alignments (i.e. Diggs in the backfield)? Where are the toss sweep runs? Where are the play-action rollouts? Screens? Etc.

I was thinking about this earlier, the consensus opinions about our weapons under Daboll:
  • Beasley went from a nice signing as a slot option to one of the premier slot receivers in the game.
  • John Brown went from from an "ok I guess that's fine" signing to wow this guy can really play.
  • Robert Foster went from a UDFA to a guy some had as a first rounder in redrafts a year later.
  • Isaiah McKenzie went from a waiver pick up to a dynamic weapon that fans were clamoring for a higher involvement in the offense.
  • Fans were clamoring for higher involvement from guys like Knox, Duke Williams, and Isaiah Hodgins
Under Dorsey we have Allen and Diggs and:
  • Davis isn't a good enough weapon
  • McKenzie isn't a good enough weapon
  • Knox isn't a good enough weapon
  • Harty isn't a good enough weapon
  • Sherfield isn't a good enough weapon
  • Moss isn't a good enough weapon
  • No idea how to use Hines...
At this rate it will only be a matter of time until people start losing patience with Cook.

Oh should I add that people are starting to question Allen now too under Dorsey?

In this video that's been making the rounds on X we see a bunch of creativity.


No one here will debate that Singletary, Jason Croom, or even Gabe Davis are great route runners, but it's amazing that they were able to get open by 5+ yards in these highlights.

We can't bring Daboll back and he had lots of down moments and shortcomings too, but Dorsey needs to do more than call a cover 2 beater when the defense calls a cover 2 so that the EPA looks good. They need way more of an attacking mentality.
 
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Fezzy126 said:
This analysis is part of the problem, and these type of stats are also a big criticism of both Dorsey and Joe Brady - They scheme an offense that is too reactive to the defense and doesn't attack enough or use any elements of creativity. Some of the articles I posted earlier explained this.

If you call a cover 3 beater every time the defense plays a cover 3, your analytics are going to look very good, especially when you have elite players that can execute perfectly. But there is no creativity or attacking mentality there. Where's the jet sweep and orbit motions? Where are the cheat motions that the entire league is taking from the Dolphins? Where are the creative personnel alignments (i.e. Diggs in the backfield)? Where are the toss sweep runs? Where are the play-action rollouts? Screens? Etc.

I was thinking about this earlier, the consensus opinions about our weapons under Daboll:
  • Beasley went from a nice signing as a slot option to one of the premier slot receivers in the game.
  • John Brown went from from an "ok I guess that's fine" signing to wow this guy can really play.
  • Robert Foster went from a UDFA to a guy some had as a first rounder in redrafts a year later.
  • Isaiah McKenzie went from a waiver pick up to a dynamic weapon that fans were clamoring for a higher involvement in the offense.
  • Fans were clamoring for higher involvement from guys like Knox, Duke Williams, and Isaiah Hodgins
Under Dorsey we have Allen and Diggs and:
  • Davis isn't a good enough weapon
  • McKenzie isn't a good enough weapon
  • Knox isn't a good enough weapon
  • Harty isn't a good enough weapon
  • Sherfield isn't a good enough weapon
  • Moss isn't a good enough weapon
  • No idea how to use Hines...
At this rate it will only be a matter of time until people start losing patience with Cook.

Oh should I add that people are starting to question Allen now too under Dorsey?

In this video that's been making the rounds on X we see a bunch of creativity.


No one here will debate that Singletary, Jason Croom, or even Gabe Davis are great route runners, but it's amazing that they were able to get open by 5+ yards in these highlights.

We can't bring Daboll back and he had lots of down moments and shortcomings too, but Dorsey needs to do more than call a cover 2 beater when the defense calls a cover 2 so that the EPA looks good. They need way more of an attacking mentality.
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Most of those plays were in critical moments in games too. I think the biggest thing with Josh is not progressing through reads. Daboll did a good job of presenting Josh with a quality first read and if it wasn't there then progress through or take off. It seems like most of Dorsey's plays have reads one and two breaking at the same time and read three taking longer with a safety valve two yards away in case
 
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DolanPlsGoSabres said:


If the worst case scenario happens we'll near 2020 49ers and 2021 Ravens level of injuries
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Yeah, I said the defense would need to stay healthy for the rest of the year to potentially go on a run, but it's hard to imagine they can continue performing like they did against the Bengals with Benford and Bernard out.
 
Dubi Doo said:
Yeah, I said the defense would need to stay healthy for the rest of the year to potentially go on a run, but it's hard to imagine they can continue performing like they did against the Bengals with Benford and Bernard out.
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And sometimes the bear eats you...
 
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