Confirmed with Link: Sean Walker & 5th round pick ('26) traded to Colorado for 1st round pick ('25 - top 10 protected) & Ryan Johansen - Johansen assigned to Lehigh Valley

[CanadianFlyer88]

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[jabba2]

Who cares about the 5th or the $4m cap hit Johansen has? The team isnt contending next year anyway.
Im happy they got a 1st back for a rental player which Walker is for the Av's.

 

[BritainStix]

Walker could have gotten a higher pick, quite easily. Of course noone is coming out with 4 weeks to go talking about being willing to pay full asking price (shitty market aside, noone walks in and offers 50K Ober asking for a house). But as the deadline gets closer, and situations change - someone gets injured, a team goes on a run and moves into a PO position - so does their willingness to spend.

The Flyers also gave a 5th up for the luxury of throwing away money and cap space.

It's a bad deal. Thats all there is to it.

How do you know that Walker could have gotten a higher pick "quite easily"?

What's the story with RyJo anyhow? The dude is only 31 and 2 seasons removed from scoring 63 points. How did he fall off that cliff so badly?

 

[trostol]

How do you know that Walker could have gotten a higher pick "quite easily"?

I think that they could have but way back when he was a hot commodity back in December

 

[Danko]

So if he gets claimed, it would be $2 mil in dead space, yes?

 

[Appleyard]

Well he was waived right?

Yeh, but that means nothing apart from:

"We hope that someone claims him."

Because he might still be on Flyers going forward, and then would they send him to LHV? Or play him at 3C and hope he has a fluke scoring season next year and then flip him with 50% retained at deadline for a pick or something... since Cs always have some value even if bad.

 

[Rebels57]

I'm pretty happy to get a 1st back for a player that was a throw-in last summer in a deal that got rid of that cancer Provorov and netted us another 1st.

They sold high on Walker too. The cracks in his game were starting to show.

Not really concerned about taking back Johansen since they waived that loser. I don't want to see him on the Flyers.

Not thrilled about the top 10 protection though.

Overall, i'm good with it.

Would be nice to trade Laughton for a 2024 1st though.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

What do you mean nothing?

You have heard for weeks that teams aren't willing to offer the 1st for Walker. Taking on that contract took it from a 2nd to a 1st. Tanev got a pretty shoddy return for someone that was 75% retained.

That contract is a 3m loss on the cap next year. I'll trade 3m for upgrading 32 places in a draft.

I'm not bothered by taking on Johansen's contract. They'll still have plenty of cap room to play with.

Walker for a 1st and Johansen would have been fine, though there are arguments you could/should have been able to extract another mid-late pick from Colorado to facilitate taking Johansen on.

The Flyers should not have had to return a draft pick to get this done. It speaks to their insistence that trades are win-wins; they'll go the extra mile to make the other team avoid immediate buyer's remorse that they'll dampen their own return.

@Appleyard says they have two years to get that pick back, but it seems more likely they'll give away more of these picks than obtain them.

 

[BritainStix]

Yeh, but that means nothing apart from:

"We hope that someone claims him."

Because he might still be on Flyers going forward, and then would they send him to LHV? Or play him at 3C and hope he has a fluke scoring season next year and then flip him with 50% retained at deadline for a pick or something... since Cs always have some value even if bad.

Can you retain on a retained player?

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

This is a win for the Flyers. There were a large amount of people who said there was no chance we’d get a 1st for Walker under any circumstances and now they’re very predictably shitting on getting a first because we have to take on an extra year and 4MM of Johansen.

Extremely small price to pay. Especially when you see the lack of value received for retention / taking on bad contracts in recent years.

 

[BiggE]

I give the deal a B
They got a first, got rid of the temptation to re-sign Walker and RJ’s money is immaterial as they shouldn’t, key word shouldn’t, be spending to the cap next year anyway.

 

[Appleyard]

Can you retain on a retained player?

yep. 2x.

 

[BritainStix]

yep. 2x.

Imagine how shitty that must feel as a player that two teams are willing to half your salary to sell you

 

[BillDineen]

More pleased that walker was traded. If they didn't get the 1rst he may have stayed as an "internal rental"

I can live with suboptimal cap space weaponization

 

[Beef Invictus]

Tampa Bay Lightning Acquire Tanner Jeannot in Trade With Nashville Predators - Sports Illustrated

Tampa Bay paid a king’s ransom for Nashville’s young star.

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When is the last time we fleeced a team clearly? I think it's very negative for us to just settle with "well this is good because they didn't outright lose."

"Good" isn't exactly what I'd use. I wouldn't say it's Bad, either. Lukewarm, like a ravioli grasped too long in the palm.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Can you retain on a retained player?

You can. That's how Tanev's hit was reduced by 75%.

 

[BritainStix]

Tampa Bay Lightning Acquire Tanner Jeannot in Trade With Nashville Predators - Sports Illustrated

Tampa Bay paid a king’s ransom for Nashville’s young star.

www.si.com

When is the last time we fleeced a team clearly? I think it's very negative for us to just settle with "well this is good because they didn't outright lose."

"Good" isn't exactly what I'd use. I wouldn't say it's Bad, either. Lukewarm, like a ravioli grasped too long in the palm.

That's not very positive.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Yeh, but that means nothing apart from:

"We hope that someone claims him."

Because he might still be on Flyers going forward, and then would they send him to LHV? Or play him at 3C and hope he has a fluke scoring season next year and then flip him with 50% retained at deadline for a pick or something... since Cs always have some value even if bad.

Of course - just was clarifying that technically the "next" step is in motion. End game though, that's a different story of course.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Good deal if true.

Edit. Shoulda known they’d take a contract back.

I’m not saying shit until we actually know, but Johansen is a LARGE negative.

This is what I get for jumping to conclusions.

A cooked Marleau at 6.25 for one year cost a later first a few years back. A cooked Johansen at 4M should be, I would think, a late 2nd on its own, if valuations are approximate.

Puckpedia has Johansen's contract dump valued at 33rd overall (1st pick in round 2).

Today: 33rd overall in 2024 > 2025 1st round pick with a chance of being 2026.

That would imply Walker had negative trade value lol.

Danny/Front Office seem to value pick value much more than cap space. This is the second case in less than a year of taking on big cap numbers for less than market value.

They needed to get that 2024 1st.

It’s a better draft

Nobody knows that. Especially later in the round.

 

[ponder719]

Can you retain on a retained player?

Yes. The Calgary/NJ/Dallas trade for Tanev featured exactly that; Calgary retained 50% of Tanev's remaining salary, the Devils got some assets for retaining 50% of what was left, and officially, the Devils traded Tanev to Dallas, who are due to pay 25% of his original remaining salary.

Edit: GJ, me, taking enough time to look up all the details on Tanev left time for every component of what I said to be said by one person or another in the meantime.

 

[Curufinwe]

It's awesome the trade deadline was moved to Wednesday

 

[JayRosehillMVP]

I’m as annoyed as everyone else at talks of a Seeler extension and refusing to trade Laughton, but f***s sake guys. If this is only scenario in which Walker brings back a 1st I’m happy with it. I’m the furthest thing from a simp for the new regime but being upset with this one just feels silly to me. The 5th going the other way is funny as shit though lol, as if the deal couldn’t be made without it

 

[captainpaxil]

Flyers get a first rounder while simultaneously adding center depth for a playoff run . Win

 

[Winston Wolf]

It's better that the pick is in 2025, that way when they're contending next year, Briere will have more ammo at the trade deadline for a rental.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

His valuation this year is being dragged up by his finishing. He’s shooting over 16%. Everything else is pretty much bad & I doubt they buy anything into his defensive metrics.

 

[Starat327]

This is what I get for jumping to conclusions.



Puckpedia has Johansen's contract dump valued at 33rd overall (1st pick in round 2).

Today: 33rd overall in 2024 > 2025 1st round pick with a chance of being 2026.

That would imply Walker had negative trade value lol.

Danny/Front Office seem to value pick value much more than cap space. This is the second case in less than a year of taking on big cap numbers for less than market value.


Nobody knows that. Especially later in the round.

This is hilarious.