Confirmed with Link: Sean Walker & 5th round pick ('26) traded to Colorado for 1st round pick ('25 - top 10 protected) & Ryan Johansen - Johansen assigned to Lehigh Valley

[CanadianFlyer88]

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[Beef Invictus]

What is different about this than the Ceci + 1st deal everyone wanted?

Ceci is younger and cheaper, and slightly less bad

 

[Cody Webster]

How long will the Johansen video tribute be?

 

[Starat327]

Why are we adding? Shouldn't they be adding since the 1 is next year?

Or since we're taking on dead cap? I actually don't think the 25 first is a terrible idea. But when you put the whole thing together, it's f***ing brutal.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Yeah they just made some nice moves. I don’t think that’s an investment where you feel like you have to re-sign Walker either (not that I think they would anyway).

I don’t know what the valuation charts say but I’d imagine Colorado probably should have included another pick here like a third or fourth rounder perhaps?

 

[Danko]

If Colorado are in bottom 10 territory next year, something has gone horribly wrong. Nateand Makar is enough to keep them well away from that alone.

Landeskog may be back next year also...I don't see a way in which they have this moved to 26

 

[sauce88]

Remember they're on record saying that they want to make trades to ensure both sides feel like it's a win-win. Expect more conditions that tilt future trades in value the other way every time.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

We do this every year with draft strength. That swings on mostly the top few picks, not the ones that end up traded at the deadline.

 

[freakydallas13]

I don't think that's great value, right? With the desperation for Dmen heading into the playoffs, he probably should have fetched a first on his own. But then to take on RJ AND give up a fifth AND push the first to 2025 AND to have it top-10 protected? Not a massive loss, but it would be nice to get appropriate value for once.

This is similar to the Provy trade for me. The idea is good, and they got some value back, but the when you consider the contract you took back in addition to the assets, it looks like the deal isn't as big a net positive as it seems initially.

What would fair value be for dumping RyJo and getting a 5th back, a 2nd round pick seems fair for that? Basically means you traded walker and a 2nd for a 1st, which is definitely value but seems like you left some on table at the same time.

 

[Danko]

The fifth is dumb...again, very Fletcher like

 

[BritainStix]

The Flyers are rebuilding and don't need a #1d while they do that. So they should just trade Sanheim, right?

If you give away an asset for free ( or below value) it's a bad process. It doesn't matter that you have the means to make it feel less impactful. 4M in cap space has value, as documented in previous trades. The fact that the Flyers took it on for...nothing is a problem. No amount of orange tint to the glasses fixes that.

What do you mean nothing?

You have heard for weeks that teams aren't willing to offer the 1st for Walker. Taking on that contract took it from a 2nd to a 1st. Tanev got a pretty shoddy return for someone that was 75% retained.

That contract is a 3m loss on the cap next year. I'll trade 3m for upgrading 32 places in a draft.

 

[BiggE]

2025 1st, good
RJ at 4 million aav, not so good but at least there’s only one year left

 

[trostol]

so i am gonna assume..that's pretty much of TDL...i mean who else do they really...REALLY want to move

 

[Appleyard]

Weird to include the 5th rounder the other way... like Colorado would say "no" if Flyers said no to that.

happy to get a 2025 1st rounder, even if Johansen coming back sucks. But whatever, if that is what it took to get a 1st for Walker instead of a late 2nd? Flyers need those darts more than cap room right now.

Interesting to see what exactly the "Plan" is for Johansen.

 

[pit]

What is different about this than the Ceci + 1st deal everyone wanted?

The Ceci/1st trade also saw Seeler traded away rather than us signing him to an overpay.

Ceci would have actually played in the NHL not the AHL.

Ceci could have been flipped for more value at the next TDL, which Johansen can't be.

We didn't send away a 5th in the hypothetical Ceci deal.


Again, glad to see Walker moved and glad to have another first, but not feeling like we did amazing in the trade either.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Ok have to clarify this one as a positive step.

Hopefully Laughton is next.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

2025 1st, good
RJ at 4 million aav, not so good but at least there’s only one year left

I'm listening to NHL Network radio and they are reporting he's already waived.

 

[GKJ]

Where have you seen this? I haven't seen it mentioned once.

32T pod have mentioned it multiple times that teams, and their own draft experts, believe this is a draft that you don’t want to draft after 20. Colorado is definitely drafting after that. So worth it to gamble that they either draft higher next year, get a better prospect, or both.

5th round pick in 2026, don’t really care. They have 2 years to get that back.

 

[Danko]

Weird to include the 5th rounder the other way... like Colorado would say "no" if Flyers said no to that.

happy to get a 2025 1st rounder, even if Johansen coming back sucks. But whatever, if that is what it took to get a 1st for Walker instead of a late 2nd? Flyers need those darts more than cap room right now.

Interesting to see what exactly the "Plan" is for Johansen.

Thank you for saying exactly what I wanted to say.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Charlie did say yesterday they had multiple offers on the table for Walker with a first rounder but they had strings attached & weren’t outright returns. The Ceci rumored leaked yesterday & I assume this was another one he was talking about.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

in the end its not huge..what are the chances it would have been in the top 10 anyway

No I get that, but still don't like protected to picks

 

[Starat327]

What do you mean nothing?

You have heard for weeks that teams aren't willing to offer the 1st for Walker. Taking on that contract took it from a 2nd to a 1st. Tanev got a pretty shoddy return for someone that was 75% retained.

That contract is a 3m loss on the cap next year. I'll trade 3m for upgrading 32 places in a draft.

Walker could have gotten a higher pick, quite easily. Of course noone is coming out with 4 weeks to go talking about being willing to pay full asking price (shitty market aside, noone walks in and offers 50K Ober asking for a house). But as the deadline gets closer, and situations change - someone gets injured, a team goes on a run and moves into a PO position - so does their willingness to spend.

The Flyers also gave a 5th up for the luxury of throwing away money and cap space.

It's a bad deal. Thats all there is to it.

 

[ajgoal]

This is similar to the Provy trade for me. The idea is good, and they got some value back, but the when you consider the contract you took back in addition to the assets, it looks like the deal isn't as big a net positive as it seems initially.

What would fair value be for dumping RyJo and getting a 5th back, a 2nd round pick seems fair for that? Basically means you traded walker and a 2nd for a 1st, which is definitely value but seems like you left some on table at the same time.

Don't forget that the '25 1st is essentially a '24 2nd in value.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Weird to include the 5th rounder the other way... like Colorado would say "no" if Flyers said no to that.

happy to get a 2025 1st rounder, even if Johansen coming back sucks. But whatever, if that is what it took to get a 1st for Walker instead of a late 2nd? Flyers need those darts more than cap room right now.

Interesting to see what exactly the "Plan" is for Johansen.

Well he was waived right?

 

[Danko]

Can we get a poll here?

 

[VladDrag]

Charlie did say yesterday they had multiple offers on the table for Walker with a first rounder but they had strings attached & weren’t outright returns. The Ceci rumored leaked yesterday & I assume this was another one he was talking about.

There had to been something else attached to the Ceci. I would be shocked if they chose Johansen over Ceci outright, considering they just waived Johansen.