Value of: Sean Monahan to Winnipeg

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Toninado and Stanley have no value to Montreal.

Seems very unlikely Monahan gets traded for anything less than a 1st+ given his strong play, his public desire to be in Montreal and Mtl's injury depleted roster.

1st, Kupari, Barron might get Hughes to listen, if that seems to much then the Jets are probably shopping elsewhere

If That's the price the Jets are shopping elsewhere, along with everyone else

 

[cheechoo]

If this doesn’t impress you, the you are very hard to please

I'm talking about prime Monahan before his body broke down. The one that was carried by Gaudreau to heights that were far above his own reach while still constantly referred to as a #1 C. He was never responsible for driving play, can't skate with the puck and was one of the worst defensive centers in the NHL. In a vacuum he had skills and was a good connector. Could make smart passes and was very accurate in front of the net. An odd player to profile. Again it made sense because he was essentially the floating sniper playing down the middle and Gaudreau was the elite play driver playing from the outside. An okay player, but more well rounded or talented guys that were once viewed as his contemporaries at varying stages were all much much MUCH more talented (Barkov, MacKinnon -- draft class) + (Horvat, Draisaitl, Schiefele)

 

[HuGort]

If That's the price the Jets are shopping elsewhere, along with everyone else

Jets pick be around 30th. Doesnt really hold much value. Habs can't move Monahan for that. He good player. I am quite sure Hughes trying to re-sign Monahan.

Not just for the 25 goals and 50 points. Monahan good in dressing room for our young rebuilding team. Plus he wants to stay in Montreal and will probably sign at a discount

 

[Miller Time]

if the value of monahan goes past those boundries it will be definitely below a third and not above your wet fantasy.

I dont even know what you're saying at this point.... Monahan has literally never been traded at a trade deadline.

Sorry it's too complicated for you

If you look up the historical record on deadline deals, the valuation of a comparable player is pretty evident.

 

[10Ducky10]

Might want to check in on that...

We have Montreal's 2nd but I thought we traded our 2nd for Nino?

 

[Weezeric]

Sorry it's too complicated for you

If you look up the historical record on deadline deals, the valuation of a comparable player is pretty evident.

Who’s the last forward who hadn’t scored more than 30 points in 5 years that was traded for a 1st?

 

[habsterr]

The usual 2nd round pick and a B level prospect.

 

[HuGort]

Like every years it will be about supply and demand. Lehkonen fetch Barron + 2nd which is essentially 1st + B prospect, Chiarot fetch a 1st + 3rd (just like Savard a few years back). Foligno brought back a 1st even. Depends more on GM perception than any kind of player standalone valuation. Fans sacralize their 1st completely irrationnally, give me a 3C for a cup run rather than a 25OA who will likely become nothing, and if he becomes something in 4 years maybe your window won t be open anymore. I don t think TBL regrets having lost 3 1st rounders for two stanley cups and a final.

I love the discussion about Lindholm being so much better too. For me they are both 2C/3Cs who benefitted a ton from playing with Tkachuk Gaudreau. They are on pace for similar point totals this year while Lindholm plays on a better team.

I'd keep Monahan over Jets first rounder. Around 30th overall not much value there. You seen what we got last year for 30th pick? Half a mid line forward. In Newhook. That was on draft floor when picks are at their highest.

Monahan on other hand has good character in dressing for Montreal's young players. Slaf, Newhook, Heinemann types. Monahan work ethic and handling himself like a pro rubs off on youngsters. You don't want to go all youth. You want youth insulated with character veterans. Quality veterans that can still play the game.

 

[Thechozen1]

Toninado and Stanley have no value to Montreal.

Seems very unlikely Monahan gets traded for anything less than a 1st+ given his strong play, his public desire to be in Montreal and Mtl's injury depleted roster.

1st, Kupari, Barron might get Hughes to listen, if that seems to much then the Jets are probably shopping elsewhere

If that’s what it takes to maybe get Hughes to listen, ain’t nobody going to be calling!

 

[FerrisRox]

You're right. I doubt Habs would trade him for a first.

Take overpayment to get him out of Montreal. It's hard for Montreal to trade Monahan. He's reeks character in dressing room,, 57% on faceoffs, outstanding hockey smarts, 50 points, size, low contract. It's a combination of intangibles.

If Hughes refused to trade Sean Monahan for a first round draft pick, as a fan, I would want him fired for gross incompetence.

He would have to be an absolute fool to turn that down.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

2nd + B prospect sounds fair but Jets should target Lindholm

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I was wondering what might be a good pick-up for the Jets and thought about Monahan being a solid pick-up for the Jets.

I would think 2nd 2024, Logan Stanley and Dominic Toninado for Sean Monahan (50% retained)

Sure.

Habs aren't retaining 50%, though unless they're not trading Savard, in which case they will.

If the Habs are dealing Savard, it costs like a 4th to a 3rd party team to retain 50%

 

[hurdemz]

I'd keep Monahan over Jets first rounder. Around 30th overall not much value there. You seen what we got last year for 30th pick? Half a mid line forward. In Newhook. That was on draft floor when picks are at their highest.

Monahan on other hand has good character in dressing for Montreal's young players. Slaf, Newhook, Heinemann types. Monahan work ethic and handling himself like a pro rubs off on youngsters. You don't want to go all youth. You want youth insulated with character veterans. Quality veterans that can still play the game.

You push on everyone that Sean's character is so valuable that the habs aren't selling him for anything short of an overpay, but you're also saying a 1st rounder (even if it's a low 1st) isn't worth much?

Trying to sell Monahan is fine, but come on.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

No need to pay for him as a rental, we'll just wait and sign him for free in the off-season.

Ahhhhhhh I love this.

 

[Snowman]

What 2C do you think you can get?

It's hard to say, there doesn't appear to be a 2C available, so we'll see if Chevy can find someone who no one knows is available.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

I'd keep Monahan over Jets first rounder. Around 30th overall not much value there. You seen what we got last year for 30th pick? Half a mid line forward. In Newhook. That was on draft floor when picks are at their highest.

Monahan on other hand has good character in dressing for Montreal's young players. Slaf, Newhook, Heinemann types. Monahan work ethic and handling himself like a pro rubs off on youngsters. You don't want to go all youth. You want youth insulated with character veterans. Quality veterans that can still play the game.

Just to be clear, Monahan is pending UFA. Do you really think you’re going to get more value in 25 lame-duck games by keeping him and missing the playoffs, than of these “worthless” 1st round picks (Ignoring the fact he won’t get a 1st)?

 

[One Winged Angel]

Some of the asking prices in here for Monahan are absolutely insane.

Good player, but definitely not worth 1st + or 1st ++.

 

[TS Quint]

Jets pick be around 30th. Doesnt really hold much value. Habs can't move Monahan for that. He good player. I am quite sure Hughes trying to re-sign Monahan.

Not just for the 25 goals and 50 points. Monahan good in dressing room for our young rebuilding team. Plus he wants to stay in Montreal and will probably sign at a discount

Ah yes, the old Anderson narrative. It’s not that he isn’t worth a 1st it’s that the Habs don’t want to trade him. Habs need some new stories to tell these are getting old.

Monahan would be 16th on the Jet in 5 on 5 scoring. Namestnikov has 19 points 5 on 5 Vs Monahan’s 10. It seems the PP is where he puts up half his scoring and he wont be getting that kind of sugar on the Jets. Paying a 1st for a 4C doesn’t seem to make sense for the Jets. Good luck at the TDL, hope Habs fans get what they’re looking for.

 

[TS Quint]

I'd keep Monahan over Jets first rounder. Around 30th overall not much value there. You seen what we got last year for 30th pick? Half a mid line forward. In Newhook. That was on draft floor when picks are at their highest.

Monahan on other hand has good character in dressing for Montreal's young players. Slaf, Newhook, Heinemann types. Monahan work ethic and handling himself like a pro rubs off on youngsters. You don't want to go all youth. You want youth insulated with character veterans. Quality veterans that can still play the game.

Hughes went into full panic mode after failing to land PLD and overpaid for Newhook.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Sorry it's too complicated for you

If you look up the historical record on deadline deals, the valuation of a comparable player is pretty evident.

Show me the historical records.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Monahan is producing at 1.30 p/60 at 5v5. He's a PP specialist, who is at best a 3C at 5v5 while being extremely poor defensively, which is overlooked because he is great in the faceoff dot.

He's really not the type of player a cup contender would be looking to add. Slow, soft, and a 5v5 liability who relies on others to drive the play.

 

[Pongs21]

I mean if we have an injury at C and strike out on everything else, maybe... That 2nd would have to be a conditional 2nd, starting as a 3rd, not based on his value but solely based on Monahan's significant injury history.. He's not a bad player MTL fans, and this isn't a dig to get back at all the BS WPG fans had to swallow during the Dubios fiasco. The only thing of value he brings to the Jets is his FO stats. And I have a hard time seeing him displacing Namestnikov as the #2 C.
Both Namestnikov and Monahan have 23 points to date (Names 36 games played and Monahan 39 games played). Monahan, as far as I can tell is on the Habs 1st pp unit and also has had 92.73 more minutes of PP time (PP1 at that) than Namestnikov. I would argue that Namestnikov's play style fits more of how the Jets play than Monahan,, so at best, its a lateral move, for the sake of making a move and I just don't see the point of the Jets acquiring Monahan, unless there's an injury at C that needs to be addressed, on top of the Jets looking for a higher end 2C.
Where the Jets are currently 1st in the league, I think players with NMC/NTM's, may be more open to coming to WPG this year. I expect Chevy to do Chevy things and nab a player out of left field.

 

[10Ducky10]

Good luck at the TDL, hope Habs fans get what they’re looking for.

He was traded to LA already...

 

[north49er]

I'm not impressed by Monahan, and don't think he fits the Jets' style very well. They play a very fast, aggressive style, and Monahan is not a high-pace player. In any case, I don't think he'd be more effective than Namestnikov, who cost the Jets a 4th at last year's deadline. Jets should be aiming higher at this TDL.

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I can't even read your chart but I think you're saying Monahan isn't worth it......to which I agree.

 

[north49er]

Monahan ain’t the guy. Pass.


Chevy pulled rabbits out of asses before.

Lindholm maybe.

And that's exactly where you'd find Monahan.......