Confirmed with Link: Sean Monahan signs one-year contract extension ($1.985M AAV + $15K bonus for 26 games played)

[Twisted Sinister]

Tanking is a loser mentality. You NEVER want that in your locker room

I feel like the losing mentality is the inability to sacrifice in the short term for longterm gain.

Agreed. The rebuild is not fully over but we clearly want to move up the standings and create a winning culture. That takes time. If not for all the injuries this year, we would not be picking 5. More like 6-10 or 8-12 range.

There's no such thing as a winning culture. Tons of teams that have rebuilt have won the cup. It sucks that we did such a shit job of it this year.

That said, we need some RHD, particularly a number one, and 2024 is shaping up to have a lot of RHD in the top 15, so I don't know if another tank year is necessary. We should be able to get what we need. Hopefully.

Cole Hutson should be around too

 

[Habs Halifax]

I feel like the losing mentality is the inability to sacrifice in the short term for longterm gain.



There's no such thing as a winning culture. Tons of teams that have rebuilt have won the cup. It sucks that we did such a shit job of it this year.

That said, we need some RHD, and 2024 is shaping up to have a lot of RHD in the top 15, so I don't know if another tank year is necessary. We should be able to get what we need. Hopefully.

Cole Hutson should be around too

I disagree that there is "not such thing as a winning culture". Tons of teams that have rebuilt have won cups? Sure but there are tons of more teams that have rebuild and have not won a cup. There are no guarantees you become a contender with a full rebuild. Our rebuild started well before Gorton/Hughes were hired (believe it or not). They have just taken the baton away from the previous GM and are doing it better.

Rebuild is not over but the actual plan is to move up gradually. Hoping for more bottom 5 picks at this point in time is a reach. The next few years will be a combo of more rebuilding and transition years. Make no mistake, we are in the Dubois trade talks and I support it. I like what Gorton/Hughes/MLS are doing.

If not for all the injuries last year, we would be picking 6-10 or 8-12 range. There are 8 wins in the difference between the 5th pick and the 12th pick. 8 wins over 82 games. That's a difference of 1 win/month

 

[Habs Halifax]

I probably missed why we're even giving the 15K bonus. Seems trivial but regardless good, affordable deal. Hopefully he's healthy by the deadline and we can trade him if we're not in playoff race.

The 15k in bonus is weird. I was expecting a larger performance bonus structure. I really like this deal. In the past, I think someone like Monahan goes to UFA to explore his options. MSL has the group liking hockey in Montreal and Monahan is one of them. The group is tight and they know the vision the managers are trying to accomplish.

 

[Deam78]

That's the best news for Slafkovsky, he was really starting to pick it up and play his best when paired with Monahan for a longer stretch

 

[xX SEYF Xx]

Tanking is a loser mentality. You NEVER want that in your locker room

You 2 years late to the party bud
We just tanked 2 seasons, partly failed at it the second one cause of Monty, rookies and AHLers overachieving and key tank commanders too often injured.
And yet I dont discern any toxic losing mentality in that room

By all means it is now over, rebuild is not finished but active tanking is hopefully behind us unless we still suck by jan/feb by a good margin. Then yeah we'll go at it again

 

[Twisted Sinister]

I disagree that there is "not such thing as a winning culture". Tons of teams that have rebuilt have won cups? Sure but there are tons of more teams that have rebuild and have not won a cup.

Rebuild is not over but the actual plan is to move up gradually. Hoping for more bottom 5 picks at this point in time is a reach. The next few years will be a combo of more rebuilding and transition years. Make no mistake, we are in the Dubois trade talks and I support it. I like what Gorton/Hughes/MLS are doing.

If not for all the injuries last year, we would be picking 6-10 or 8-12 range. There are 8 wins in the difference between the 5th pick and the 12th pick. 8 wins over 82 games. That's a difference of 1 win/month

This is a logical fallacy and a very weak argument. If you look at the 31 teams every year that aren't successful, there are thousands of reasons for that. Tanking in previous years isn't one of them. Managerial incompetence or just simply the fact that there's only one winner every year are usually the culprit.

However, there are clear markers for Stanley Cup-winning teams, which are usually some combination of high-end talent and insane depth.

There are 32 teams in the league. Of course some managements will be incompetent (Habs fans know all about that) and some teams will fail at rebuilding. Think a rebuild under Bergevin would have gone well? Tanking isn't an end-all solution, but it's part of the process in building a contender. Once you acquire high-end talent, the rest of your drafting, development, and pro-level acquisition also has to be on point. Look at Buffalo and Edmonton, for example. Their inability to surround talent is legendary and often used as a (silly) anti-rebuild argument.

You 2 years late to the party bud
We just tanked 2 seasons, partly failed at it the second one cause of Monty, rookies and AHLers overachieving and key tank commanders too often injured.
And yet I dont discern any toxic losing mentality in that room

By all means it is now over, rebuild is not finished but active tanking is hopefully behind us unless we still suck by jan/feb by a good margin. Then yeah we'll go at it again

Yup.

The 15k in bonus is weird. I was expecting a larger performance bonus structure. I really like this deal. In the past, I think someone like Monahan goes to UFA to explore his options. MSL has the group liking hockey in Montreal and Monahan is one of them. The group is tight and they know the vision the managers are trying to accomplish.

I agree, the 15k immediately jumped out at me as very strange.

 

[26Mats]

I like these lines but there is no way PLD comes here and we keep Dvo. At least I doubt it. Also its not time yet to put Slaf on the top two lines. Let him grow as a hockey player before we do that to him.

I am also thinking that if the Capitals truly want to package Mantha for Hoffman or Armia to save some cap space We could put him beside Suzuki
PLD - Dach - Caufield
Mantha - Suzuki - Anderson
Slaf - Monahan - Gallagher
RHP - Evan - Heineman

Yeah, if we get Dubois, I think one of Dvo or Anderson will be part of the deal. Not sure it will be Dvo though. We do need an extra C playing wing though in case Monahan gets injured. Or, Monahan will just play wing. But I prefer Monahan at C over Dvo, if he's still here.

Yeah, I like Slaf with Monahan...

I'd like to see Ylonen in the lineup. He isn't waiver exempt to go to Laval and I don't want him sitting in the pressbox for long stretches...

I pray RHP is in the top 9 over Gallagher...

 

[schwang26]

Monahan and Edmundson are our trade ships for 2024 Tdl. If healthy , they are worth a late 1st each.

I think Pitlick and Wideman definitely play in the AHL almost all year.

We don’t have that many players like people say .

Caufield-Suzuki-Dach
Slaf-Monahan-Anderson
Heineman-Dvorak-Armia
RHP-Evans-Gallagher
Pezzeta-Hoffman

Matheson-Edmundson
Ghule-Savard
Xhekaj-Barron
Harris-Kovacevic

Monty
Allen

So that’s really only 1 player too much. Heineman could be sent down (even if I see him starting with us). Hoffman could also be sent down . Barron is still waiver exempt . We have possibilities!!

I really hope they don't wait again until the deadline and risk Edmundson getting hurt again before the deadline. He's got a bad back. Move him asap. You're only asking for trouble by waiting.

 

[Habs Halifax]

This is a logical fallacy and a very weak argument. If you look at the 31 teams every year that aren't successful, there are thousands of reasons for that. Tanking in previous years isn't one of them. Managerial incompetence or just simply the fact that there's only one winner every year are usually the culprit.

However, there are clear markers for Stanley Cup-winning teams, which are usually some combination of high-end talent and insane depth.

There are 32 teams in the league. Of course some managements will be incompetent (Habs fans know all about that) and some teams will fail at rebuilding. Think a rebuild under Bergevin would have gone well? Tanking isn't an end-all solution, but it's part of the process in building a contender. Once you acquire high-end talent, the rest of your drafting, development, and pro-level acquisition also has to be on point. Look at Buffalo and Edmonton, for example. Their inability to surround talent is legendary and often used as a (silly) anti-rebuild argument.

Not a weak argument. It's not even an argument. There are more teams who have not won a cup in a rebuild vs teams that have won a cup.

I stand firm. The next few seasons are a combo of more rebuild and transition years. Work is not done yet but I don't think our management has the plan of being at the bottom 5 moving forward. They will however monitor the situation year/year because there are so many young players trying to develop and reach their ceiling level.

Yeah, if we get Dubois, I think one of Dvo or Anderson will be part of the deal. Not sure it will be Dvo though. We do need an extra C playing wing though in case Monahan gets injured. Or, Monahan will just play wing. But I prefer Monahan at C over Dvo, if he's still here.

Yeah, I like Slaf with Monahan...

I'd like to see Ylonen in the lineup. He isn't waiver exempt to go to Laval and I don't want him sitting in the pressbox for long stretches...

I pray RHP is in the top 9 over Gallagher...

Without Dvorak and with Dubois. We have 5 centers (Suzuki, Dubois, Dach, Monahan, Evans). Dach is the center insurance.

Hard to say if the Jets like taking Dvorak as the NHL contract in the package. But if their plans are trading both Dubois and Scheifele, they will need NHL centers and UFA could mean they pay someone like Dvorak with more term than Dvorak has left.

Maybe they like the idea of taking on Vilardi if the Kings are offering him. Needs a new contract and they get a NHL center back? How much center did Vilardi play last year with the Kings? I believe he mostly played wing.

 

[Mudz]

You 2 years late to the party bud
We just tanked 2 seasons, partly failed at it the second one cause of Monty, rookies and AHLers overachieving and key tank commanders too often injured.
And yet I dont discern any toxic losing mentality in that room

By all means it is now over, rebuild is not finished but active tanking is hopefully behind us unless we still suck by jan/feb by a good margin. Then yeah we'll go at it again

Not sure where you were last year but before Monahan went down, we were a playoff bubble team (4 pts out). Last year tank was more of a bonus than a planned action. We were up against some top tanker. I feel like we still did a decent job.

Hopefully Monahan can stay healthy. Loved the player last year.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I really hope they don't wait again until the deadline and risk Edmundson getting hurt again before the deadline. He's got a bad back. Move him asap. You're only asking for trouble by waiting.

Something has to give with our guys on D. It's cluttered. I do think Eddy gets moved this summer. If not, that means 1 or 2 guys get traded in the Dubois trade or another trade.

Maybe Hughes's plan is to move up in the draft to 6-10 range and take a shot at Reinbacher while getting another asset in the process. Then move Barron+ in the Dubois package. In that case, maybe we just keep Edmundson for the season.

The other angle is we claimed Kova on waivers from the Jets. Who knows, maybe he goes in the Dubois package. I do think Eddy gets moved but it might be affected by potential trades and maybe we keep him. I would imagine they value Kova to some degree because they are familiar with him.

 

[Canadiens98]

I think this is pretty big for our young players. I really like the move.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Not a weak argument. It's not even an argument. There are more teams who have not won a cup in a rebuild vs teams that have won a cup.

I stand firm. The next few seasons are a combo of more rebuild and transition years. Work is not done yet but I don't think our management has the plan of being at the bottom 5 moving forward. They will however monitor the situation year/year because there are so many young players trying to develop and reach their ceiling level.

Here's your idea if it were used on the other side:

There are more non-rebuilding teams that have failed to win a cup than ones that have won a cup. Therefore, not rebuilding is a mark of failure.

This is also true, and probably moreso than your statement.

This is why what you're saying doesn't make sense logically. It's hard to stand firm on quicksand.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Here's your idea if it were used on the other side:

There are more non-rebuilding teams that have failed to win a cup than ones that have won a cup. Therefore, not rebuilding is a mark of failure.

This is also true, and probably moreso than your statement.

This is why what you're saying doesn't make sense logically. It's hard to stand firm on quicksand.

What's up with "We're Doomed" statement on your profile? Is this tied to what you are trying to tell me today? .

Sorry, I have my own opinion and it's in line with what Gorton/Hughes are doing at the moment. You can have your own. Remember, you also said... "there is no such thing as a winning culture". Agree to disagree.

Lets bring it back to Monahan now

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Not bad as long they don't do the same with Gurianov

 

[Habs Halifax]

Not bad as long they don't do the same with Gurianov

Gurianov seems to be the forgotten one. I think he goes to UFA because he knows how cluttered we are with wingers and young players trying to crack the roster.

I'm OK letting him walk. We can't offer that much arbitration. Good skater with size and a great shot. He will get offers in UFA and he probably chooses a team who has more room for him.

 

[tnq]

Happy he is back. Suzuki was so good with him as 2nd center

 

[BJCOLLINS]

For Dvo on the 31st overall... You can bet that Hughes would say yes. We will need to add another pick though for that to happen.

IMHO, rebuilding teams do not trade young assets or 1st/2nds as a rule……I like PLD and would move him for Dvo ++ not deviating from the above. I know people are caught up with the fact PLD is a good player who wants to be here but he is 25 and rebuilding teams “traditionally“ take 4-5 years (Vegas not included). Dvo would be a great place to start with Winnipeg they save $ and we throw in a couple of roster players over 23 + 3rd’s…..I know I’m stating best case scenarios that’s because I’m biased regarding our rebuild. Hoff needs to go, Gallagher (respectfully) needs a change of scenery….. perhaps Vancouver can offer something that helps the rebuild, he is heart & soul when healthy??????

our 5th and 31st & the rebuild, I’d be happy to leave the draft with trading our 5th to Zona ( if the C’s are gone) for Cooley +/- and moving Dvo +31 for PLD if our picks turn out to be the equivalent of Galchenyuk and Juulson………….crystal balls my friends, lol.

 

[26Mats]

Not a weak argument. It's not even an argument. There are more teams who have not won a cup in a rebuild vs teams that have won a cup.

I stand firm. The next few seasons are a combo of more rebuild and transition years. Work is not done yet but I don't think our management has the plan of being at the bottom 5 moving forward. They will however monitor the situation year/year because there are so many young players trying to develop and reach their ceiling level.



Without Dvorak and with Dubois. We have 5 centers (Suzuki, Dubois, Dach, Monahan, Evans). Dach is the center insurance.

Hard to say if the Jets like taking Dvorak as the NHL contract in the package. But if their plans are trading both Dubois and Scheifele, they will need NHL centers and UFA could mean they pay someone like Dvorak with more term than Dvorak has left.

Maybe they like the idea of taking on Vilardi if the Kings are offering him. Needs a new contract and they get a NHL center back? How much center did Vilardi play last year with the Kings? I believe he mostly played wing.

I don't know what Winnipeg wants. But I suspect they'd want Josh Anderson more than Dvorak.

 

[Rapala]

Happy he is back. Suzuki was so good with him as 2nd center

We actually had a veritable first line with Dach on it. Now we have people looking to trade for scrubs like Mantha and their first idea is to dump him on Suzuki as if he didn't play with enough scrubs last season. I guess it's good for our Captain to get to know everyone up close and personal.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't know what Winnipeg wants. But I suspect they'd want Josh Anderson more than Dvorak.

Probably but Anderson has our fan base divided. Some are desperate to move him and some are not. Who knows what Hughes and Gorton think and if Anderson has the Jets on his NTC list.

If we move Anderson for Dubois, I wouldn't offer too much more. He would fit their strategy if they are not looking to rebuild Maybe we offer Kidney on top or someone like that.

If we are going to predict the unpredictable which usually happens (who would have predicted the Romanov+ for Dach trade?), maybe Anderson and Kidney is the offer.

 

[26Mats]

Not bad as long they don't do the same with Gurianov

I'd give Belzile and Gurianov each the Pez contract.

But probably no room for them.

 

[Jaynki]

How can you say this doesn't have any upside for Monahan? I'm sure he has been promised that, if healthy, he will be actively shopped at the deadline giving him a solid chance to chase a Stanley Cup.

What i meant was that the only real tangible upside was to play for the Habs because its a contract he would, in my opinion, easily have had on the free market.

So to me, its another statement into the quality of our organisation since Hugo took the reign.

 

[FerrisRox]

What i meant was that the only real tangible upside was to play for the Habs because its a contract he would, in my opinion, easily have had on the free market.

So to me, its another statement into the quality of our organisation since Hugo took the reign.

I think that might be a stretch. I doubt there was a big line of people that wanted to give him $2 million to play. His injuries are never-ending and no team would want to actually rely on him in anyway. It takes a team like the Canadiens, with no real aspirations for success this year, to role the dice and see what happens.

 

[Jaynki]

I think that might be a stretch. I doubt there was a big line of people that wanted to give him $2 million to play. His injuries are never-ending and no team would want to actually rely on him in anyway. It takes a team like the Canadiens, with no real aspirations for success this year, to role the dice and see what happens.

Or a team with major aspiration with not a lot of capspace.