Prospect Info: Sean Farrell, C/LW, 124th Overall

[Habano]

6 foot sub 200 is smallish & below average.

Average height is 6'1 1/3
Average weight is 204.4

don't know how to fix the height but the weight is easy. One order of the Diabolique from Paulo & Suzanne and voila, 4.4 pounds added

 

[SlafySZN]

Is Farrell playing the "Harris" game with the Habs ?

No he’s gonna sign at the end of his next season. Harris didn’t play games either, he said he was gonna do 4 years in northeastern when they drafted him.

 

[Miller Time]

6 foot 200 (Jonathan Roy) lbs is not small. Bergeron would be considered small because he's 6'2 but 189 lbs?

Suzuki at 5'11 205 lbs is not small (above average in weight according to your metrics).

?
it's not "my metrics", it's the NHL averages.

Gallagher is "small", but certainly doesn't play "small", so let's not conflate the two things. I'm by no means suggesting we should toss away talented players because of their size, nor go target big beefy players just for the sake of having moar size... talent wins championships, that much is clear.

My simple point is that we have several smallish top forward prospects, and that's compounded by having smallish core players in place like Suzuki and Caufield. It is a question management will have to grapple with, because outside of Slaf/Heineman, the bulk of our top prospects will be on the smallish side of the NHL average if they make the pro roster. With Gallagher's contract likely cementing him in the lineup for the next 3-4 years, along with CC and Suzuki, how many more smallish forwards can effectively win spots while allowing the team to have the mix of attributes it needs to win several playoff rounds? I think it's a fair question.

come playoff time, while a Suzuki (or even better, a Crosby or a Kucherov et et) is FAR more important than having just a big body for the sake of it, it's also true that officiating makes it harder on smallish/skilled players to maintain their impact and big bodied forwards can be an important asset.

 

[Captain Mountain]

6 foot sub 200 is smallish & below average.

Average height is 6'1 1/3
Average weight is 204.4

Per the Athletic, last season the average height was 73.2 inches and the average weight was 198.8 pounds. The average height was also driven up because the average height for goalies was around 6'3".

6 foot and around 200 is well within the "average" tier.

Where are you getting your numbers from?

EDIT: just checked Elite Prospects list for 2022- 2023 and its 73.2 and 198.6.

 

[1909]

No he’s gonna sign at the end of his next season. Harris didn’t play games either, he said he was gonna do 4 years in northeastern when they drafted him.

But we heard he would had possibly not signed if Bergevin would had still be around....

 

[Wateredgarden]

But we heard he would had possibly not signed if Bergevin would had still be around....

Harris said himself the only time he wasn't sure about his future in Montreal was when Bergevin got fired. Then he met with the new management and his worries were gone.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Tampa Bay dosent have a single forward in their top 6 over 6ft1 btw most are 5'10-5'11. Talk about height in this day and age is nonsense , it's all about weight and balance baby

 

[1909]

Tampa Bay dosent have a single forward in their top 6 over 6ft1 btw most are 5'10-5'11. Talk about height in this day and age is nonsense , it's all about weight and balance baby

Their D is huge and they got a pretty big bottom six.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Their D is huge and they got a pretty big bottom six.

I totally agree , I just think for the top 6 it's ok to have average sized players if they are talented.

 

[Chadstudsky]

Does anyone else find it weird that our own scouts had our bottom 3 prospect (Smith) ranked higher than our top 3 prospect (Farrell)?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Does anyone else find it weird that our own scouts had our bottom 3 prospect (Smith) ranked higher than our top 3 prospect (Farrell)?

The science behind drafting

 

[jrom]

What is solid is that, from that bunch, Suzuki, Slafkovsky, Dach, Roy and, maybe, Farrell, have top-6 potential. Two are Cs (Suzuki and Dach) and three are wingers (Slafkovsky, Roy and Farrell).

IMO, as much as Farrell is talented, I'd rather Roy (as more of a sniper) on the top-6, beyond Slafkovsky and Caufield, along with anther power forward with more puck skills, overall, than Anderson.

Farrell and Anderson could well make good wingers for a 3rd line.

People are sleeping on Farrell, unlike Roy he can skate. It’s Roy I think that still has a lot of hurdles to jump to make it as a top 6 NHLer.

 

[JuJu Mobb]

Core strength > Height, Weight

A 5'11 ft 195 pounds player may very well be stronger than a 6'3 ft 225 pounds player.

 

[Mrb1p]

People are sleeping on Farrell, unlike Roy he can skate. It’s Roy I think that still has a lot of hurdles to jump to make it as a top 6 NHLer.

Roy has NHL qualities too. Farrel is a fantastic prospect and will be a player but Roy will probably be too. Hes been displaying insane IQ so far and the way he progressed his weaknesses is very impressive.

 

[montreal]

Does anyone else find it weird that our own scouts had our bottom 3 prospect (Smith) ranked higher than our top 3 prospect (Farrell)?

Smith had 27 goals in just 17 games in his draft year, has the skating, speed, two way play, but he hasn't been able to stay healthy. That happens to some prospects, not the scouts fault.

 

[Chadstudsky]

Smith had 27 goals in just 17 games in his draft year, has the skating, speed, two way play, but he hasn't been able to stay healthy. That happens to some prospects, not the scouts fault.

Admittedly I'm a stat watcher for anyone not in the OHL/NCAA. Where did he score 27 goals?

 

[Miller Time]

Per the Athletic, last season the average height was 73.2 inches and the average weight was 198.8 pounds. The average height was also driven up because the average height for goalies was around 6'3".

6 foot and around 200 is well within the "average" tier.

Where are you getting your numbers from?

EDIT: just checked Elite Prospects list for 2022- 2023 and its 73.2 and 198.6.

looks like it was a 2010 link... and yes, more recent data suggests the average weight has gone down a bit.

so splitting hairs aside, remains that Farell, Mesar, Kidney, Mysak, Rohrer, Roy and Ylonen are all on the "smallish" side of the equation (below average height or weight or both).

Like Suzuki, some of them may well develop the kind of thickness as to play "bigger" than their physical stature, that's always possible (though with that, also runs the risk of adding too much bulk, as we've at times seen happen).

As someone who far more values skill and grit over "size", I was certainly not suggesting we should dump some of them in favor of Hugh Jessiman clones. Far from that.

It is, however, a trend in prospect pool and roster makeup that the management will need to pay close attention to as they roster-build and manage/optimize assets over time.

 

[JianYang]

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The science behind drafting

Lol, it is kind of like that. Very, very few players are nhl products at the time of drafting.

You have to give your best educated guess at how a player will project over the years but nobody really knows how it will play out.

All you can do after the draft as an organization is give your prospects the best possible platform to develop, then cross your fingers.

 

[SlafySZN]

People are sleeping on Farrell, unlike Roy he can skate. It’s Roy I think that still has a lot of hurdles to jump to make it as a top 6 NHLer.

Agree.

People are hypnotized by Roy’s points production in the Q but lots of work to do.

 

[Sherwoo9]

Admittedly I'm a stat watcher for anyone not in the OHL/NCAA. Where did he score 27 goals?

He was playing a Minnesota high school league. I clearly remember scratching my head about this pick from day 1. Made no sense to me.

 

[OB5]

Kid is so impressive. I heard his interview on 690 this past week and he was so articulate and wise with his answers. Obviously that has little to do with him as a player but as a person I'm excited about his ability to learn and grow as he continues to develop. Coupled with Adam Nicholas' comments about his game, I'm confident he will be a solid pro. At least another year in the NCAA, maybe two, then a year in Laval. It's a process, but they have a player here who has already shown he can play with pro players on the international level.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Kid is so impressive. I heard his interview on 690 this past week and he was so articulate and wise with his answers. Obviously that has little to do with him as a player but as a person I'm excited about his ability to learn and grow as he continues to develop. Coupled with Adam Nicholas' comments about his game, I'm confident he will be a solid pro. At least another year in the NCAA, maybe two, then a year in Laval. It's a process, but they have a player here who has already shown he can play with pro players on the international level.

I would suspect he’s done in the NCAA this year and will be AHL or maybe even NHL bound next season depending on his development. But definitely a pro next year.

I’m very high on this player

 

[Captain Mountain]

looks like it was a 2010 link... and yes, more recent data suggests the average weight has gone down a bit.

so splitting hairs aside, remains that Farell, Mesar, Kidney, Mysak, Rohrer, Roy and Ylonen are all on the "smallish" side of the equation (below average height or weight or both).

Like Suzuki, some of them may well develop the kind of thickness as to play "bigger" than their physical stature, that's always possible (though with that, also runs the risk of adding too much bulk, as we've at times seen happen).

As someone who far more values skill and grit over "size", I was certainly not suggesting we should dump some of them in favor of Hugh Jessiman clones. Far from that.

It is, however, a trend in prospect pool and roster makeup that the management will need to pay close attention to as they roster-build and manage/optimize assets over time.

If we're talking about skaters, I would not classify Roy as on the smaller side in either sense.

In general, getting worked up about the weight of prospects (especially young prospects) doesn't make much sense because most of them are still adding muscle. Most drafted players fall under the NHL average of weight. Many prospects aren't finished growing either.

The league in general is also trending smaller among skaters (specifically forwards) and bigger in net, so its just a function

Management is also clearly paying attention, they traded for Dach and took Slafkovsky first overall.

Skill does come before size and, bringing it back to Farrell, its hard to complain when you pick a guy like him at the end of the 4th round.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I would suspect he’s done in the NCAA this year and will be AHL or maybe even NHL bound next season depending on his development. But definitely a pro next year.

I’m very high on this player

He's playing in our top 9 at the end of this year.

 

[26Mats]

He's playing in our top 9 at the end of this year.

Hopefully 3 vets are moved at the deadline (Dadonov, Drouin, Byron) and we don't have to appease them with unearned roster spots.

Would be nice to see Farrell, Ylonen, and RHP in the top 12 by season's end.