Prospect Info: Sean Farrell, C/LW, 124th Overall

Farrell has the better agility and skating to me, I think Farrell is the better prospect at this point.

Personally, I think it's close but the skating part might be where Farrell gets the edge. Both of them have work to do and need to improve if they are going to make the NHL as middle of the line-up forwards or top 6 assets. The hard work they put into it moving forward is major guess work from us fans.
 
Long overdue. As soon as we draft a player, we should know their strengths and weaknesses and help coach to elevate their strengths and minimize their weaknesses.
How about avoiding drafting players with known weaknesses particularly if those weaknesses are related to skating. That's akin to drafting a water polo player who has trouble swimming.
 
Thinking outside the box!
Its not hard, if a player is a weak skater, you don't take him in the first or seventh round. Let some other team hope he develops the one elemental skill necessary to play successfully in the NHL today.
 
Its not hard, if a player is a weak skater, you don't take him in the first or seventh round. Let some other team hope he develops the one elemental skill necessary to play successfully in the NHL today.

I don't think scouting is this black and white especially when you are scouting 17 year olds for the most part.

That said, to draft a player with mediocre/average or even bad skating, there has to be something that makes up for it, mainly a high IQ. A guy like Toffoli is never a great skater but he is smart and he makes up for it.
 
Its not hard, if a player is a weak skater, you don't take him in the first or seventh round. Let some other team hope he develops the one elemental skill necessary to play successfully in the NHL today.
With the understanding that I believe you have put me on your ignore list at this point so I'm just using this as a jumping off point for a broader discussion, this is really oversimplifying things in my opinion. It's all about trade-offs, if you can find a great skater in the 7th round it's likely because they have hands of stone or are 5'6. Every prospect has strengths and weaknesses, and it's not as if prospects have never improved their skating either. If you applied this hard and fast rule of never picking a weak skater, you would have passed up on Brayden Point, while Tampa drafted him and immediately went to work fixing that issue and got themselves a star 1st line centre for their trouble.

And that's a player who's developed into a good skater, which isn't even necessary to be successful in the NHL either. Mark Stone, Brendan Gallagher, Jason Robertson, and Joe Pavelski, are some examples off the top of my head of average to mediocre skaters who are very effective players. Those players do lots of things well that makes up for their mediocre skating. There's lots of players who are great skaters with no other NHL level talents. I don't see any reason to just immediately discard any prospect who isn't at least an average skater, if they have other skills and qualities it can easily be worth the trade-off, and skating is a teachable skill.
 
How about avoiding drafting players with known weaknesses particularly if those weaknesses are related to skating. That's akin to drafting a water polo player who has trouble swimming.

Oh I don't know. Skating was Suzuki's biggest weakness at the draft. And it's not an issue anymore.
 
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Its not hard, if a player is a weak skater, you don't take him in the first or seventh round. Let some other team hope he develops the one elemental skill necessary to play successfully in the NHL today.
Dumb take.

I'm more than happy with Roy this year in the 5th. And I'm sure Ottawa was pretty fine with Mark Stone.

Dumb take sorry. Talent 1st. Sean Day was playing early in the OHL and busted hard. Guess what ? Phenomenal skater.
 
Dumb take.

I'm more than happy with Roy this year in the 5th. And I'm sure Ottawa was pretty fine with Mark Stone.

Dumb take sorry. Talent 1st. Sean Day was playing early in the OHL and busted hard. Guess what ? Phenomenal skater.

Yeah it's far more complicated than just good skater vs bad skater.

Is it speed? Is it edge work? Any injury history? What is their play without the puck versus with?

There is a lot a player can learn with major league skating instructors they cannot in junior. There's also stuff about skating they might not be able to improve on, especially if it was an early injury that got them. You gotta scout all that.

Back in the 2000s, a lot of GM's ignored scouting bios of poor skaters who otherwise worked hard on the ice because they expected that to translate. But if you're hard to take off the puck regardless of your skating speed, that's something you can actually work with.
 
How about avoiding drafting players with known weaknesses particularly if those weaknesses are related to skating. That's akin to drafting a water polo player who has trouble swimming.
Thing is at least a couple of guys who ended up late round steals had skating problems they worked out. Problem is the habs draft projects and then lazily rush them without working on them.
 
With the understanding that I believe you have put me on your ignore list at this point so I'm just using this as a jumping off point for a broader discussion, this is really oversimplifying things in my opinion. It's all about trade-offs, if you can find a great skater in the 7th round it's likely because they have hands of stone or are 5'6. Every prospect has strengths and weaknesses, and it's not as if prospects have never improved their skating either. If you applied this hard and fast rule of never picking a weak skater, you would have passed up on Brayden Point, while Tampa drafted him and immediately went to work fixing that issue and got themselves a star 1st line centre for their trouble.

And that's a player who's developed into a good skater, which isn't even necessary to be successful in the NHL either. Mark Stone, Brendan Gallagher, Jason Robertson, and Joe Pavelski, are some examples off the top of my head of average to mediocre skaters who are very effective players. Those players do lots of things well that makes up for their mediocre skating. There's lots of players who are great skaters with no other NHL level talents. I don't see any reason to just immediately discard any prospect who isn't at least an average skater, if they have other skills and qualities it can easily be worth the trade-off, and skating is a teachable skill.

Benn, O'Reilly, Couturier, Tavares, Lucic, Eberle, Robitaille, Giroux, Suzuki, Point, etc. There is an endless list of players drafted with skating being an area of concern who were either smart enough to play through the weakness or improved their skating post draft.
 
Benn, O'Reilly, Couturier, Tavares, Lucic, Eberle, Robitaille, Giroux, Suzuki, Point, etc. There is an endless list of players drafted with skating being an area of concern who were either smart enough to play through the weakness or improved their skating post draft.
Toffoli too…..Hockey smarts can bring you a long way!
 
With the understanding that I believe you have put me on your ignore list at this point so I'm just using this as a jumping off point for a broader discussion, this is really oversimplifying things in my opinion. It's all about trade-offs, if you can find a great skater in the 7th round it's likely because they have hands of stone or are 5'6. Every prospect has strengths and weaknesses, and it's not as if prospects have never improved their skating either. If you applied this hard and fast rule of never picking a weak skater, you would have passed up on Brayden Point, while Tampa drafted him and immediately went to work fixing that issue and got themselves a star 1st line centre for their trouble.

And that's a player who's developed into a good skater, which isn't even necessary to be successful in the NHL either. Mark Stone, Brendan Gallagher, Jason Robertson, and Joe Pavelski, are some examples off the top of my head of average to mediocre skaters who are very effective players. Those players do lots of things well that makes up for their mediocre skating. There's lots of players who are great skaters with no other NHL level talents. I don't see any reason to just immediately discard any prospect who isn't at least an average skater, if they have other skills and qualities it can easily be worth the trade-off, and skating is a teachable skill.

These guys with great IQ and talent who don't skate well are not worth a top pick, but definitely a mid-round one as a project.
 
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