OT: Sci-Fi and Fantasy Thread - SPOILERS Part Three

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That show was absolute dogshit other than the Mando parts.

This corny bullshit made me laugh out loud at how bad it was:

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ya the mando parts were aweomse. I never finished boba until someone told me there were mando scenes and then I watched the rest lol

has anyone watched rings of power or the shehulk thing lol? curious what yall say about it
 

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ya the mando parts were aweomse. I never finished boba until someone told me there were mando scenes and then I watched the rest lol

has anyone watched rings of power or the shehulk thing lol? curious what yall say about it
Mando and like half of the Obi-Wan series are the only things that give me any hope for this franchise.

Everything else released since Disney bought it has been horrendous.
 
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ya the mando parts were aweomse. I never finished boba until someone told me there were mando scenes and then I watched the rest lol

has anyone watched rings of power or the shehulk thing lol? curious what yall say about it
Rings of power is ok..not great..not awful(save the Galadriel parts)..the Durin parts were entertaining

She Hulk wasn't bad but I gave up on that...it's supposed be(I think) like a super hero sitcom..but the comedy is hit or miss
 

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Let me know what you think after you watch episode 5. That's when I started to feel that way.

I thought it was fine for the most part. We have to be careful not to re-write shows or films with scenes we think of or scenes we'd like to see - that's basically fan fiction, and too many people are doing that too often. I didn't have too many problems with this, although - like with "Rings of Power" - I am trying my best to just absorb it and not tear it apart. Even so, I think it has mostly been solid by normal storytelling standards.

Having said that, there are a few things that I would take issue with. There was no need to have two scenes of Kyle McLaughlin eating cereal with his elf mother. It didn't advance anything at all. It is clearly trying to establish a parallel with Diego Luna and his adoptive mother, but it didn't do anything beyond that, and it didn't have to do it twice. More crucially, they didn't need to have three or four scenes establishing the distrust between the rebels and the new guy. One would have done the trick, and then they could move on. Audiences understand that we are not seeing every moment of these characters' lives and can fill in some of the blanks - so if the characters have one scene of distrust, then a scene of detente, then something that establishes trust, that would be enough. It would buy them time to flesh out other characters, like McLaughlin or Wig Man. I don't know what the f*** they were thinking putting him in that hairpiece, but whatever.

In a limited series like this, where you know you have 24 eps to get from zero to Rogue One, it would be nice to see every moment serve a solid purpose. Still, it's better by far than "Obi Wan," which was just awful, and the less said about the prequels, the sequels, and the twirly c***s Striiker referenced in "The Book of Boba Fett's Friend Mando" the better.
 

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I thought it was fine for the most part. We have to be careful not to re-write shows or films with scenes we think of or scenes we'd like to see - that's basically fan fiction, and too many people are doing that too often. I didn't have too many problems with this, although - like with "Rings of Power" - I am trying my best to just absorb it and not tear it apart. Even so, I think it has mostly been solid by normal storytelling standards.

Having said that, there are a few things that I would take issue with. There was no need to have two scenes of Kyle McLaughlin eating cereal with his elf mother. It didn't advance anything at all. It is clearly trying to establish a parallel with Diego Luna and his adoptive mother, but it didn't do anything beyond that, and it didn't have to do it twice. More crucially, they didn't need to have three or four scenes establishing the distrust between the rebels and the new guy. One would have done the trick, and then they could move on. Audiences understand that we are not seeing every moment of these characters' lives and can fill in some of the blanks - so if the characters have one scene of distrust, then a scene of detente, then something that establishes trust, that would be enough. It would buy them time to flesh out other characters, like McLaughlin or Wig Man. I don't know what the f*** they were thinking putting him in that hairpiece, but whatever.

In a limited series like this, where you know you have 24 eps to get from zero to Rogue One, it would be nice to see every moment serve a solid purpose. Still, it's better by far than "Obi Wan," which was just awful, and the less said about the prequels, the sequels, and the twirly c***s Striiker referenced in "The Book of Boba Fett's Friend Mando" the better.

As usual, you articulated my thoughts better than I did
 
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episode 5 kinda flew by...but i have a bit of trouble believing this is how the rebellion started..i guess i just pictured it a touch ..grander..but for an episode with essentially no action it was solid
 
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again..the Durin scenes are the best in RoP..episode 7 was ..eh..but a question is..do we have any idea who the three people in white are?
 

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One thing I like about Rings of Power and the Arondir character is he's not doing superhero crazy **** like Legolas. He's not surfing down steps shooting his bow, he's not sliding down the trunk of an Oliphaunt like it's a slip and slide, he's not somehow defying gravity and ascending while jumping on falling individual blocks of a tower.

He's obviously skilled, but it's not presented in that extremely unrealistic and goofy way.
 

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The most recent episode was hard to watch. Not for the gore or anything, just incredibly cringy. The three “White Walkers” don’t bear any resemblance to any actual Tolkien characters that I can think of.
They're also really trying to cram like 4000 years of events into happening concurrently. At first it was supposed to be just be the 'Second Age' stuff, but now they appear to be moving forward stuff that happened in the Third Age like Ep 7
The balrog seeming to be waking up

The whole 'mithril' explanation in the show is completely fabricated and makes no real sense when you think of the Elves and their trajectory in the books. They're not vampires who suddenly find out mithril is an artificial 'light of valinor' and it sustains them.
 
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They're also really trying to cram like 4000 years of events into happening concurrently. At first it was supposed to be just be the 'Second Age' stuff, but now they appear to be moving forward stuff that happened in the Third Age like Ep 7
The balrog seeming to be waking up

The whole 'mithril' explanation in the show is completely fabricated and makes no real sense when you think of the Elves and their trajectory in the books. They're not vampires who suddenly find out mithril is an artificial 'light of valinor' and it sustains them.
Yeah, they're really messing with the timeline...

Elendil shouldn't even be alive yet. He's born more than 1,000 years after the rings are created. By the time he's alive, Sauron would have openly returned and set up shop in The Southlan... I mean Mordor, and would have dominion over much of Middle Earth. They're basically making it all up.
 
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They're also really trying to cram like 4000 years of events into happening concurrently. At first it was supposed to be just be the 'Second Age' stuff, but now they appear to be moving forward stuff that happened in the Third Age like Ep 7
The balrog seeming to be waking up

The whole 'mithril' explanation in the show is completely fabricated and makes no real sense when you think of the Elves and their trajectory in the books. They're not vampires who suddenly find out mithril is an artificial 'light of valinor' and it sustains them.
The mithril thing to me is just more like the elves are "all emo/depressed" and mithril is making them want to keep going on, vs less of a physiological response. I can say, it's not the thing I dislike the most.

The member berries harfoots serve no point. All that plot so far is bleh, gotta have "hobbits" because memba?

The numenor now is dumb. I think the First season could have had similar events with JUST Galadriel and an elf contingent, instead of the numenoreans at all. Save them for season 4+...or the probable Sequel show.

Just putting this out there, I think the human Southlander king guy might be Sauron in disguise (for whatever reason), but I have no real idea what they are doing with this show....
 

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I think I fooled myself into liking Rings of Power at first. After that last episode, I hate what they’re doing. It doesn’t feel or sound like the source material at all. That last episode wasn’t much more than a bunch of disjointed monologues.

I had some issues with the movies (especially the Hobbit), but these dopes are taking far too many liberties.
 

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The mithril thing to me is just more like the elves are "all emo/depressed" and mithril is making them want to keep going on, vs less of a physiological response. I can say, it's not the thing I dislike the most.

The member berries harfoots serve no point. All that plot so far is bleh, gotta have "hobbits" because memba?

The numenor now is dumb. I think the First season could have had similar events with JUST Galadriel and an elf contingent, instead of the numenoreans at all. Save them for season 4+...or the probable Sequel show.

Just putting this out there, I think the human Southlander king guy might be Sauron in disguise (for whatever reason), but I have no real idea what they are doing with this show....

I think it is being shown as a physiological thing or at the very least the Elven King Gilgilad *THINKS* the mithril is a physiological 'cure' for the Elves. The mithril literally cured the tree branch of 'darkness' and those trees are seeds that the elves brought with them to Middle Earth so they're connected to them and their origins in Valinor.

I think it may be more of a red herring and the Mithril may fight off the 'darkness', but it has nothing to do with the actual Elves physical well-being (at least I hope it turns out that way).

I could see the writers doing that with Halbrand just to be like "haha... Isn't it funny? We had Galadriel *FALL IN LOVE* with SAURON... HAHAHA"

I would much rather see Halbrand be the King of the Dead though. The area that the Southlanders are now settling into isn't that far away from where the Mountain was that the Army of the Dead was in.
 
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I think it is being shown as a physiological thing or at the very least the Elven King Gilgilad *THINKS* the mithril is a physiological 'cure' for the Elves. The mithril literally cured the tree branch of 'darkness' and those trees are seeds that the elves brought with them to Middle Earth so they're connected to them and their origins in Valinor.

I think it may be more of a red herring and the Mithril may fight off the 'darkness', but it has nothing to do with the actual Elves physical well-being (at least I hope it turns out that way).

I could see the writers doing that with Halbrand just to be like "haha... Isn't it funny? We had Galadriel *FALL IN LOVE* with SAURON... HAHAHA"

I would much rather see Halbrand be the King of the Dead though. The area that the Southlanders are now settling into isn't that far away from where the Mountain was that the Army of the Dead was in.
I know what you mean about cure for the blight. Another dumb thing on the list if they do that.

I was thinking because Halbrand already has an in with the numenoreans, and because of Uruk bravehart carving out freedom for his people, "killing Sauron", Sauron is like out of power. Maybe he's using folks to get it back. He will be revealed in the next episode I guess.

You are probably right though. Regardless it's probably going to suck.

I liked the Mt Doom payoff, and I think that could have worked as a s1 ending alone. But the whole key thing was dumb as F.
 

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Andor 6 was solid..but not as great as those in the subreddit are making it out to be

also shows the Rebellion are not the saints they make themselves out to be
 
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I feel like the Ring of Power production meeting went something like

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Ok everyone. On this board we have the list of characters who are alive during the Second Age. This list is characters who alive during the Second Age and appeared or were mentioned and audiences may know from the Hobbit movies or LOTR movies. This other board is characters not alive during the Second Age so we can't use them.

One writer sees Gandalf on the not usable board... Uh, why isn't Gandalf on the SA board? He is *ALIVE* during the SA.

"Well, Tolkien writes clearly he doesn't come to Middle Earth until the Third Age with Saruman and the other wizards. "

"Ok, but I was talking with the Tolkien nerd and he told me about how Tolkien sort of presented the LOTR like he was an historical linguist who discovered and collated these stories together... Maybe Tolkien just had a 'bad source' who didn't know everything about Gandalf's past?"

[Tolkien 'Nerd]: mumbling f***... Not like this. I mean we could then say pretty much any character's past is fair game. Legolas isn't born until the Third Age, but why not just say he's alive now. We could even have a teenage version of Legolas as a character in the show if you're gonna use that approach!

[head writer]: THERE YA GO! Teenage Legolas... Maybe Season 2 debut. Sounds great!"

So anyway we're all in agreement on 'young Gandalf' right? Cool.
 

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