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Confirmed with Link: Schmid and Holtz traded to VGK for Paul Cotter and 2025 3rd rounder

Sucks, but the market is the market. Holtz was a swing and a miss of a pick and it was obvious that Fitz hated him. Deal sucks though .. Fitz should be on a very hot seat from here on out. If this team doesn't make the playoffs again he is gone.
 
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If this is a small step to get us to being a faster team again, sucks to sell at the bottom, but I'll be fine with it.
 
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A pure analytics move

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Normal Devil said:
Sucks, but the market is the market. Holtz was a swing and a miss of a pick and it was obvious that Fitz hated him. Deal sucks though .. Fitz should be on a very hot seat from here on out. If this doesn't make the playoffs again he is gone.
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This trade doesn’t remotely change how hot Fitz’s seat is. His seat isn’t hot but the second this season doesn’t go well it will get hot very quickly. That’s why he’s making moves like this.
 
We needed to replace McLeod. I guess that's what this is. Cotter fills a need and Holtz has no value and Schmid gets a chance elsewhere. Teams weren't paying a big price for any of that. And we get another 3rd next year which could be a usable asset come trade deadline.
 
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JimEIV said:
Some of you can spin so well it's amazing

You can look at the biggest pile of shit and tell yourself it's a brownie sundae.
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I don't think anyone is over the moon about this, if anything people are coming to terms with how little value Holtz actually had and just being meh about it. Schmid and Holtz basically just walked away for nothing, but we got a guy who can fill out the bottom 6 a bit better. Not amazing, but it's whatever.
 
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NJDevs26 said:
Yeah parting with Schmid still makes me a little bit sad but maybe he didn't like being scapegoated this year and stuck in the AHL for another year or two, and one way or another we couldn't hoard all of Schmid, Daws and Poulter in the AHL level.k

Nobody had any problems with an #11 overall becoming a fourth-line center the last couple years so we traded a failed #7 overall for one now.
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It's possible he just saw no future and told NJD to try to move him. But I do feel we taking a bunch of punches with these trades. And sentimentally, I felt Akira still had some real promise for something good.

I'll try to be patient and wait for the outcome by September but I'm getting a little concerned about our shakeups.
 
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Devils Trap said:
Cotter is an integral piece for a bottom 6. Has + defensive metrics, super fast skater and can pot 20+ points while averaging 3.5 hits per game.

We wanted Fitz to get tougher (with skill) and when he does that people complain anyway lol
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NOT LIKE THIS :laugh:

It's true, though. We don't have a problem scoring goals with the main pieces of the core, it's leveling the rest of the roster with pieces that can play a certain way.

I wanted to see guys get a chance under a new coach, but it's also very possible that Keefe has provided his input on these guys getting moved out as well.
 
Devils Trap said:
Not a single team wanted him. We have tried to trade him for 2 years now lol
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NJDevs26 said:
The entire organization dragged him. Swiss hockey dragged him, not picking him for the Worlds team over semipro level players. Everyone's dragged him according to this board. At some point people have to acknowledge he's the issue with his own career.
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Sweden but yeah I agree with you guys, just was more saying this isn't surprising considering how when Fitz finally came out from hiding to address the media that he dragged Holtz so we knew he was just gonna get rid of him to get rid of him.
 
NJDevs26 said:
The entire organization dragged him. Swiss hockey dragged him, not picking him for the Worlds team over semipro level players. Everyone's dragged him according to this board. At some point people have to acknowledge he's the issue with his own career.
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At the end of the day this was probably less a failure of player development than it was scouting and draft selection to begin with. At a certain point you do need the player to knock down the door a force himself into the roster and lineup. He showed a little bit playing with McLeod, but Mike maybe going to prison. Holtz showed nothing else otherwise.
 
Normal Devil said:
Sucks, but the market is the market. Holtz was a swing and a miss of a pick and it was obvious that Fitz hated him. Deal sucks though .. Fitz should be on a very hot seat from here on out. If this doesn't make the playoffs again he is gone.
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I think this entire offseason suggests Fitz is on a hot seat anyway, extension or no extension.
 
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JimEIV said:
Some of you can spin so well it's amazing

You can look at the biggest pile of shit and tell yourself it's a brownie sundae.
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I mean it's bad asset management but Holtz was done after that press conference Fitz had where he brutally chastised him after the Lindy firing. His time in NJ was done after that. Schmid is whatever, they drafted 2 goalies today and they probably like Daws/Poulter better.
 
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