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foshizzle

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Ceci-Nurse is obviously a disaster. Nurse- VD doesn't exactly inspire confidence either.
Nope- Neither can move the puck out either, which is key against Florida. Expect a lot of getting hemmed in from this line. VD had a problem of soft clears of the boards as well
 
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About what? Trying the age-old travesty of keeping an old slow veteran in out of some weird loyalty? Or having nobody else to pick from after that?

About putting in Lavoie or Borgeault. Borgeault can barely play in the AHL and putting Lavoie into a SC Final over Carrick, Ryan or Gagner makes zero sense.

Perry is miscast playing with Foegele and Ryan No Hit McLeod. You scratch McLeod and put Carrick in with Perry and Foegele and now you have an effective grind line that can actually forecheck instead of seeing their speedy centre cower in fear and swing wide on every check he should be making.
 

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It's actually kind of crazy that it took all the way to the Stanley Cup Final for Ceci to finally, mercifully be scratched.

One can only hope he's traded this off season to save the coaching staff from themselves with this player.
It only took the coaching staff and management 3 years to see what the fans saw

Try Broberg - Nurse you cowards.

Glad Ceci is sitting but Perry also can't come out of the lineup soon enough.
I agree- but asking Broberg to babysit Nurse is a confidence destroying task for a young player
 

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About putting in Lavoie or Borgeault. Borgeault can barely play in the AHL and putting Lavoie into a SC Final over Carrick, Ryan or Gagner makes zero sense.

Perry is miscast playing with Foegele and Ryan No Hit McLeod. You scratch McLeod and put Carrick in with Perry and Foegele and now you have an effective grind line that can actually forecheck instead of seeing their speedy centre cower in fear and swing wide on every check he should be making.
Carrick is in the line up already and Brown - Carrick - Janmark is actually an effective line.

Gagner is garbage and Ryan didn't even look fast against a slow ass dallas stars.
 

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I'd definitely do Kulak or Broberg with Nurse. Need better puck movement on that pair.
Shouldn’t Nurse be The Guy for puck movement? He shits the bed and Ceci get’s canned. At least Ceci isn’t lazy and braindead. Together they are absolute crap though.
 

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Ceci-Nurse is obviously a disaster. Nurse- VD doesn't exactly inspire confidence either.

Yeah, its not great, but its a LOT better than Nurse/Ceci. It is passable by the numbers.

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VD/Nurse is essentially the same as VD/Ceci (in extremely small mins) and the same as VD without either of them. Nurse without either of them is quite good (guessing these are the Kulak mins mostly), Ceci by himself is a tire fire, as is Nurse/Ceci. The big takeaway is that Nurse/VD is significantly better than Nurse/Ceci, almost 20 points better in fact.
 

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Seeing that I mean it's pretty clear that Ceci is the problem. The only other guy's Nurse has really been paired with are Desh and Kulak and it's not like those guys are top pair D dragging Nurse up. Where's the Darnell from 2021 and against Winnipeg. Thats the Nurse we need to see.
He had Bear outletting the puck for him

Finally Ceci is a HS but having to shelter a $9M D is laughable at this stage of his career and the significance of the games we are playing. That said it is what it is and KK at least has the stones to do it unlike Dummy Jay.

That said the 3rd line is a joke. Both Foegele and McLeod have been a waste of space for most of these playoffs and Perry playing with them makes zero sense. Youd be better off HS Perry for Ryan or better yet HS McLeod and put Carrick in with Foegele and Perry. McLeod just is out for a cardio skate, wont hit, wont engage, wont drive the net.
This. That line makes zero sense and hasn't worked. Perry plays down low and McLeod is scared of contact. Foegele loves losing puck battles like it's his virginity
 

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Still pissed about those two and their idiocy costing two goals. Regardless, hopefully, FINALLY, the experimenting with tweedle dee and dumb is over. Desharnais, quite honestly, is also struggling defensively and getting caved in his own end. But the common denominator in both Ceci and Desharnais is f***ing Nurse. As another poster quite rightly posted, I can't even believe a f***ing $9.25 million player is having to get sheltered at this point in his career. FFS. No wonder he was rated so highly amongst his own NHL peers as most overrated.

Draisaitl, Bouchard, Nuge, Hyman, and Kane if he is in, have to be far, far better as well. Hyman and Nuge in particular were invisible. Kane wants to insist on playing, well contribute something offensively. Great, you're hitting and you're one of the few forwards doing so. But you are more than that. I really dislike the entitled mentality that you deserve to be in just because you're one of the vets, especially if you're in the top 6. Be better, do better Kane.

Don't f***ing make low percentage pass attempts if it's not there. Play in straight lines, go to the net and get traffic there, pay the price. It's the cup finals and you guys may not get here again. Mcleod is at this point a lost cause, guy bails at even the slightest hint of pressure and more often than not, the puck is turned over at one of the blue lines and FLA turns it up quickly for a chance. Can Skinner please not let a goal in the first 10 shots? FFS.

These clowns had better win tonight or it may well be over except for the tears. So be focused right off the start, drill the details game over and over and be prepared to play.

**edit** I should also mention that Perry should come out. He is invisible out there, I don't give a damn if he's yapping on the bench -- he hasn't contributed at all on the ice, the most important place to be a factor. Even Gagner would be more noticeable out there at this point.
 
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It's actually kind of crazy that it took all the way to the Stanley Cup Final for Ceci to finally, mercifully be scratched.

One can only hope he's traded this off season to save the coaching staff from themselves with this player.
With the way Broberg is looking, I'm betting he will replace Ceci this off season. Would certainly be the ideal scenario.
 

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Carrick is in the line up already and Brown - Carrick - Janmark is actually an effective line.

Gagner is garbage and Ryan didn't even look fast against a slow ass dallas stars.

Carrick is a placeholder as Kane is not practicing but is playing. I expect Henrique to be center between Janmark and Brown and not playing LW with 29. The Henrique line was arguably our best line through 2 periods before KK stopped playing them in the 3rd so he could double down on the Stack Line.

Gagner and Ryan are both better options than a rookie with 7 games NHL experience and a rookie with no NHL experience who struggles at the AHL level. You dont f*** around with inexperience at this time of the year. You set rookies up for success, not failure and putting them on this stage with this spotlight you are getting at best an ineffective player and at worst a player who crumbles under the pressure of the moment.
 
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You win on goals, not expected goals, chances etc.

For the playoffs, 5v5 GA/60

Nurse/Ceci pairing 4.3. Ceci without Nurse 1.1
Nurse/Dehairnais pairing 5.1. Dehairnais without Nurse 2.3
Nurse/Kulak Pairing 3.5. Kulak without Nurse 1.7

Ceci has a GF% of 25% with nurse, 60% without him. Kulak is 25% with Nurse, 60% without. Deshairnais is 22% with Nurse, 37% without.

Its not that Ceci is any great shakes, just that whomever Nurse plays with, goals go in at an atrocious rate. His has been on the ice for 58% of 5v5 goals against despite only playing about 30% of the minutes.
 

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Nurse-Kulak were really good in games 4,5,6 vs Dallas, I don't know why they went away from it. I suspect its because of Florida's forecheck, asking Kulak to handle that in 2nd pair minutes on his backhand side vs the best forecheck in the league is a lot. I still think they should try it though, Vinny is better than Ceci but he hasn't been able to meaningfully succeed in 2nd pair minutes.
 

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Carrick is a placeholder as Kane is not practicing but is playing. I expect Henrique to be center between Janmark and Brown and not playing LW with 29. The Henrique line was arguably our best line through 2 periods before KK stopped playing them in the 3rd so he could double down on the Stack Line.

Gagner and Ryan are both better options than a rookie with 7 games NHL experience and a rookie with no NHL experience who struggles at the AHL level. You dont f*** around with inexperience at this time of the year. You set rookies up for success, not failure and putting them on this stage with this spotlight you are getting at best an ineffective player and at worst a player who crumbles under the pressure of the moment.
I personally would leave the rest of the lineup as is and sit Foegele for Kane. Kane-McLeod-Perry for our 3rd line.
 
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Nurse-Kulak were really good in games 4,5,6 vs Dallas, I don't know why they went away from it. I suspect its because of Florida's forecheck, asking Kulak to handle that in 2nd pair minutes on his backhand side vs the best forecheck in the league is a lot. I still think they should try it though, Vinny is better than Ceci but he hasn't been able to meaningfully succeed in 2nd pair minutes.
The rumblings were that Kulak really wasn't comfortable on his offside.
 
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