Blue Jays Discussion: Saunders > Bruce; Tulo and Bautista trade DL spots

[BertCorbeau]

On a more discussed note with Jr, will he be able to stick at 3rd(probably not). Just had an error.

He's 17. Who knows. They think he can stick. Errors mean absolutely nothing right now.

I thought his long term projection was 1B

 

[Canada4Gold]

I didn't say the did. But it's 1 of the talking points around him that they're trying him at 3rd, and when all we have to go on is a game log/boxscore, just saying he made an error. I didn't even use it against him(the probably not comment was a side comment, hence in brackets, had nothing to do with the error), I just mentioned it.

Also the game was suspended sue to rain so that might have had something to do with it.

Better we not talk about a single thing he does until he gets to the majors lol, you're so uptight.

 

[Eyedea]

It's not something that really needs to be addressed right now. Barreto himself has just started to see some time at 2B.

 

[dredeye]

Jays are 25 fans a game per average from having the top AL attendance.

that's crazy and surprising at the same time with the rough start to the season

 

[zeke]

Can someone please explain to me how in the world is David Ortiz having such a great season at age 40?

 

[ShaneFalco]

Sox are hot and did us a favour by taking 3 of 4 from Boston

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

I didn't say the did. But it's 1 of the talking points around him that they're trying him at 3rd, and when all we have to go on is a game log/boxscore, just saying he made an error. I didn't even use it against him(the probably not comment was a side comment, hence in brackets, had nothing to do with the error), I just mentioned it.

Also the game was suspended sue to rain so that might have had something to do with it.

Better we not talk about a single thing he does until he gets to the majors lol, you're so uptight.

I think its very intriguing that they're trying to keep him at 3B. Minnesota did the same with Sano, but Sano was actually kinda skinny when he first signed. Vlad Jr. is....not. I see no way, unless his body matures drastically different, that he's not a 1B\DH at the MLB level (if he gets there). Things can change though. Does anybody remember what Osuna used to look like when he was 17 (IIRC he was 6"0, 235lbs.)?

I remember most of us who were around back then thought his ceiling was limited (#3 starter) because of his "mature frame". He really grew well.

 

[Discoverer]

I think its very intriguing that they're trying to keep him at 3B. Minnesota did the same with Sano, but Sano was actually kinda skinny when he first signed. Vlad Jr. is....not. I see no way, unless his body matures drastically different, that he's not a 1B\DH at the MLB level (if he gets there). Things can change though. Does anybody remember what Osuna used to look like when he was 17 (IIRC he was 6"0, 235lbs.)?

I remember most of us who were around back then thought his ceiling was limited (#3 starter) because of his "mature frame". He really grew well.

Yeah, every time Osuna steps on the mound I think back to when he was a chubby 16/17-year-old prospect. He sure changed that quickly. I assume it has a lot to do with having the support of a major league organization.

Here's an old scouting report

The main knock on Osuna is his immature and somewhat overweight body, which I can confirm after seeing him in spring training in March. Even though I had read scouting reports on Osuna before, I was surprised at the thickness of Osuna’s frame in person, so his coaches will surely keep an eye on his conditioning going forward.

 

[metafour]

The Osuna-weight writeups were always absurd. As if every 16 year old boy is at the peak of their physical development...because no "chubby" kid has EVER grown to shed baby-fat /s. The writeups made it sound like it was an inevitability that he'd be 300 pounds by now.

 

[Discoverer]

The writeups made it sound like it was an inevitability that he'd be 300 pounds by now.

I'm pretty sure I never read a single scouting report that did more than say something to the effect of "He's a bit heavy, he'll probably want to watch that going forward."

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

The Osuna-weight writeups were always absurd. As if every 16 year old boy is at the peak of their physical development...because no "chubby" kid has EVER grown to shed baby-fat /s. The writeups made it sound like it was an inevitability that he'd be 300 pounds by now.

Maybe not peak physical shape at 17, but ~230 lbs. at 17 is not "chubby", that's huge.

I don't think anyone expected Osuna to grow two inches and shed fifteen pounds, all while essentially transforming his body into a far more athletic frame. I'd say he's much more the exception than the norm.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Speaking of the opposite body transition, does anybody remember what young Bartolo used to look like? Loved that guy.

 

[ShaneFalco]

What is Saunders going to command in his next contract?
The injuries over the years have to factor in......

 

[Nasty Nazem]

Chris King ‏@StatsKing 4m4 minutes ago
#BlueJays LHP Wilfri Aleton has been impressive today. FB 91-94 T96 with late run. Pounding the zone. 4 IP, 0 R, 0 H, 1 BB, 8 K's

Intriguing, could be a guy to watch.

 

[Bad News Benning]

Chris King ‏@StatsKing 4m4 minutes ago
#BlueJays LHP Wilfri Aleton has been impressive today. FB 91-94 T96 with late run. Pounding the zone. 4 IP, 0 R, 0 H, 1 BB, 8 K's

Intriguing, could be a guy to watch.

That Jays GCL is really loaded with young talent. Might be hard to find playing time for everyone.

 

[Discoverer]

That Jays GCL is really loaded with young talent. Might be hard to find playing time for everyone.

Yeah, I saw the lineup today and thought it looked like an interesting roster, then I realized they also have Daniels and Palacios who aren't in the lineup today.

Aleton with another perfect inning and two more K's. Damn.

 

[Canada4Gold]

ended with 10 K's, 1 walk, no hits in 5 IP

Reliever came in and gave up a hit in the 6th but who cares.

Gotta say I've never heard of this guy before, but I don't follow the DSL much which is where he was for 3 years.

 

[Discoverer]

ended with 10 K's, 1 walk, no hits in 5 IP

Reliever came in and gave up a hit in the 6th but who cares.

Gotta say I've never heard of this guy before, but I don't follow the DSL much which is where he was for 3 years.

I follow Jays prospects really closely, but I know nothing about Aleton other than recognizing the name. It's hard to get a handle on how to view players' DSL numbers, so it makes it really hard to follow and get a read on who's doing well based solely on stats.

 

[Eyedea]

Just another case of Shatkins holding a player back in the system!

 

[zeke]

given the jays' recent history with unheralded young arms in rookie ball, with all sorts of fast risers with legit upside, you can feel pretty good about guys like this when they perform that well. just make sure they're not too old for the levels.

Aleton is already 20 so he's a little old for rookie ball, and we would want to hold off getting to excited until he jumps a level or 2.

 

[zeke]

Just did some productive friday afternoon work and updated my Traded-Jays Prospects list.

These are all the prospects and or young jays that AA traded away. fwar only for hitters, fwar/ra9war average for pitchers.


Starting Lineup

1. 3B Lawrie (26): 2333pts, 100wrc+, 2.6war/650pa
2. DH D'Arnaud (27): 860pa, 102wrc+, 2.6war/650pa
3. C Gomes (28): 1548pa, 97wrc+, 3.6war/650pa
4. 1B Wallace (29): 1354pa, 98wrc+, -0.3war/650pa
5. LF Snider (28): 1971pa, 93wrc+, 1.0war/650pa
6. RF Gose (25): 1252pa, 81wrc+, 1.1war/650pa
7. SS Hechavarria (27): 2043pa, 72wrc+, 0.5war/650pa
8. 2B Pastornicky (26): 268pa, 68wrc+, -3.4war/650pa
9. CF Marisnick (25): 837pa, 63wrc+, 1.1war/650pa

Bench

UT Thames (29); 684pa, 96wrc+, -0.1war/650pa
OF Becerra (21): A+ 119wrc+, A 118wrc+, Rk+ 133wrc+
IF Barreto (20): AA 90wrc+, A+ 122wrc+, A- 141wrc+
IF Lugo (21): A+ 89wrc+, A 91wrc+, A- 74wrc+
C Perez (25): 459pa, 66wrc+, 1.1war/650pa



Starting Rotation

SP Syndergaard (23): 38gs, 75era-, 5.1war/32gs
SP Alvarez (26): 92gs, 96era-, 1.9war/32gs
SP Desclafani (26): 39gs, 109era-, 1.8war/32gs
SP Graveman (25): 35gs, 108era-, 1.1war/32gs
SP Nolin (26): 7gs, 175era-, -0.9war/32gs, AAA 4.68fip

Prospect Rotation

SP Norris (23): 15gs, 97era-, 1.0war/32gs --- AAA 3.05fip
SP Nicolino (24): 22gs, 113era-, 1.1war/32gs ---- AAA 4.56fip
SP Boyd (25): 17gs, 183era-, -2.1war/32gs, AAA 3.37fip
SP Hoffman (23): AAA 4.32fip, AA 3.42fip, A+ 3.70fip
SP Musgrove (23): AAA 4.88fip, AA 3.32fip, A+ 2.08fip


Bullpen

RP Dyson (28): 163.2ip, 65era-, 1.1war/65ip
RP Collins (26): 211.0ip, 87era-, 0.3war/65ip
RP Rzepczynski (30): 246.2ip, 94era-, 0.2war/65ip
RP Stewart (29): 103.0ip, 161era-, -0.3war/65ip
RP Magnusson (30): 14.2ip, 155era-, -0.4war/65ip
RP Wojciechowski (27): 16.1ip, 178era-, -0.4war/65ip
RP Rollins (26): 26.1ip, 186era-, -0.9war/65ip
RP Molina (27): AAA 8.41fip

Prospect Bulllen

RP Castro (21): 32.0ip, 125era-, -0.6war/65ip --- AAA: 5.36fip
RP Cordero (24): AA 3.42fip, A+ 3.24fip
RP DeJong (22): AA 4.00fip, A+ 4.22fip
RP Labourt (22): A+ 4.17fip, A 7.77fip, A- 3.41fip
RP Tinoco (21): A+ 6.25fip, A 3.13fip, Rk+ 4.04fip
RP Tirado (21): A+ 4.28fip, A 5.58fip
RP Comer (23): A+ 4.45fip, A 3.66fip
RP Wells (20): A 4.73fip, A- 2.66fip, Rk+ 4.24fip

 

[Discoverer]

Aleton is already 20 so he's a little old for rookie ball, and we would want to hold off getting to excited until he jumps a level or 2.

When a player is old for his level, it's either A) he struggles and it's really, really disappointing, B) he does fine and it's still kind of disappointing because he's kind of old, or C) he dominates and we shouldn't get excited because he's kind of old.

I don't think anyone's getting too excited, but it's fun when a prospect's results are basically the best case scenario. The type of performance he had today warrants a discussion, even if he's a year or two old for his level.

But yeah, it would be much nicer if the previous regime hadn't held him back in the DSL for three years and he was a couple levels ahead right now.

 

[zeke]

well that's the problem - he wasn't held back, he just wasn't good enough to be promoted until now. last year was the first year he impressed. that's why we can't get excited yet.

love seeing any kid dominate but we have to remember at 20 a decent prospect is already in full season ball.

 

[Morgs]

 

[ShaneFalco]

I like it