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RangerBoy said:
Not this BS again. The Vancouver teams weren't soft. How many coaches take over a team and win with the same exact players? When the day comes and the Rangers finally win,a small group of the current players will be on that team. The Rangers aren't a ready made team like Pitt,Chicago and LA where the coach walks in and wins right away. That's not reality of this team. Management needs to dismantle this team and build it back up. Not a tank job.
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AV got fired because his teams were soft. After their softness cost them a 3-1 series lead against BOS, the teams out in death valley really took it to the Canucks since losing in 5 games and getting swept in the first round.

AV's playoff record since Boston began to bully them after game 4 of the 2011 SC finals is 1-11. AV is 1-11 in the last dozen playoff games he coached.

Is said system not exposed? Why are so many people harping about toughness? Why was McIlrath just called up?
 
Mikos87 said:
AV got fired because his teams were soft. After their softness cost them a 3-1 series lead against BOS, the teams out in death valley really took it to the Canucks since losing in 5 games and getting swept in the first round.

AV's playoff record since Boston began to bully them after game 4 of the 2011 SC finals is 1-11. AV is 1-11 in the last dozen playoff games he coached.

Is said system not exposed? Why are so many people harping about toughness? Why was McIlrath just called up?
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AV got fired because his teams didn't have success in the playoffs.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
AV got fired because his teams didn't have success in the playoffs.
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When the compete level needed is only gets higher and the games get more physical. But a lot of the Rangers don't know that. Just take a look at the seasons of playoff hockey missed by some of the supporting cast.

Hundreds of regular season games vs a handful of playoff losses.
 
Mikos87 said:
When the compete level needed is only gets higher and the games get more physical. But a lot of the Rangers don't know that. Just take a look at the seasons of playoff hockey missed by some of the supporting cast.

Hundreds of regular season games vs a handful of playoff losses.
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You can isolate any aspect you want. He got fired because of his lack of playoff success.
 
Sather is an idiot because he didn't completely retool a roster to make it more dynamic moving the puck in all areas of all zones.

AV is an idiot because he took a job with players who aren't talented enough or used to playing a 200x85 style.

Or,

2 veteran hockey guys with veteran support staff shared a philosophy of how to play modern winning hockey.

They then looked at the roster and said, let's be reasonably patient in order to give the players a chance to reveal their aptitude for 200x85 hockey.

I'm going with patience. What was Sather supposed to do? Magically find 5 forwards and 2 d men in one summer and be challenging for the President's Trophy by now?

Change takes time.

This is how I see it.

And I'm glad Sather decided "caveman hockey" wasn't going to win the Cup, and that fun to watch was a criterion moving forward.

As for the underperforming players, until Clowe showed up last year the hockey was dreadful. So all I've seen for sure this year is just confirmation that breaking up the core is essential. I just hope somehow Sather, Clark and Gorton are going to get it done.
 
Blurt Vision said:
Sather is an idiot because he didn't completely retool a roster to make it more dynamic moving the puck in all areas of all zones.
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No, Sather is lazy, short-sighted and myopic because he refuses to formulate a plan that extends beyond the season right in front of him.

Blurt Vision said:
AV is an idiot because he took a job with players who aren't talented enough or used to playing a 200x85 style.
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No AV is an idiot for thinking he could play that way with the players he was given.


Blurt Vision said:
2 veteran hockey guys with veteran support staff shared a philosophy of how to play modern winning hockey.
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Neither of them would know winning hockey if it sank its teeth into their collective rear ends.
They then looked at the roster and said, let's be reasonably patient in order to give the players a chance to reveal their aptitude for 200x85 hockey.

Blurt Vision said:
I'm going with patience. What was Sather supposed to do? Magically find 5 forwards and 2 d men in one summer and be challenging for the President's Trophy by now?
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What was Sather supposed to do?

- Find talent — but requires hard work.
- Create a culture where winning is expected and hard work is demanded — but that requires vision
- Take a realistic look at his team and stop with this "Our goal, every year, is to win the Cup" — but that requires being in touch with reality
- Hire a coach who's system doesn't require an overhaul of a roster that is a year removed the SCF and a roster that you rebuilt at the trade deadline to better fit with the coach you just fired and with an upcoming draft where you don't have a pick until the middle of the 3rd round — but that requires making moves outside of a vacuum


Blurt Vision said:
Change takes time.
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13 years and waiting. Interesting how every time the roster is exposed for being flawed another coach gets fired.




Blurt Vision said:
And I'm glad Sather decided "caveman hockey" wasn't going to win the Cup, and that fun to watch was a criterion moving forward.
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Wins certainly aren't the criteria.

Blurt Vision said:
As for the underperforming players, until Clowe showed up last year the hockey was dreadful.
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Ah yes, Clowe. 14 of the best games a Ranger has ever played. Impact player —unfortunately the impact caused a concussion.

Blurt Vision said:
So all I've seen for sure this year is just confirmation that breaking up the core is essential. I just hope somehow Sather, Clark and Gorton are going to get it done.
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Get what done? They've gotten nothing done is 13 years.
 
Macro vs micro.

I'm not dwelling.

Sather sucks much for sure. I wish he would ****ing disappear.

But unless he takes little Jimmy with him...

Win at all costs is a reasonable philosophy. It just isn't mines.

I didn't see Tortsball going anywhere.

Cleans late is better than never. You never know what's going to happen.

We all want more youth in the lineup. At least they're giving DMc a look before anybody on the 'nets figured it would happen.
 
So one of two things will happen here:

1. AV sticks with what he knows and Sather plays ball, getting AV the guys he needs to execute his system.

2. Sather tells AV to stop "playing GM" and work with the cards Sather deals him.

I prefer #1, but I'm expecting #2, along with AV being fired at some point within the next two years. Which is dumb. You don't hire Wade Phillips to run a 4-3. He's an expert at the 3-4 defense. Your job as GM is to get him the players he needs to execute his system. Otherwise, just go hire a 4-3 coach in the first place. Same thing with AV. He knows offense. Give him what he needs, otherwise what was the freakin' point.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
Your job as GM is to evaluate talent you have on your roster and then chose a coach who's philosophy meshes with your current talent. It's the coach's job to get the most out of that talent.
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If you're a win-now GM, sure. If Sather was expecting to win this year, he made an awful hire. No offensive-minded coach can turn what we have into a high scoring team. Not AV, not anyone.
 
Crease said:
If you're a win-now GM, sure. If Sather was expecting to win this year, he made an awful hire. No offensive-minded coach can turn what we have into a high scoring team. Not AV, not anyone.
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He expects to win every year. It's the standard he's set for the organization. But not himself.
 
How can they realistically expect to acquire the offensive players needed to play the new "system" in the upcoming offseason or two? They'll never get the players to compete with teams like the Penguins or Blackhawks. They're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
 
So, is it too early to ask for Peter Laviolette to come in and tear this pathetic team a new azz
hole?
 
noupf said:
cant change the whole roster. thats why coaches get fired. guess torts was worth more than sather thought huh?

AV looks like he doesnt give damn.......who gets the team to play with fire?? Mr softee?
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At what point do we stop ignoring the crazy old dude behind the curtain?
 
Fire AV? Have you looked at the roster? He's not exactly sabotaging a cup run here. What's Laviolette going to do, scream this team into another first-round exit?
 
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