Sarnia Sting 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

[StingUpdates]

Not all ‘06s are equal. Martone is a big time prospect. His trade value eliminated much of the draft capital required.. same with Van Bolsen in Peterborough for the Beck deal.

for sure. he's gonna be a star. Sucks to see him go. it really does. I just thought (and maybe there's a part 2 for the summer) it would cost more for such an elite package. especially with how much others have been costing.

 

[SarniaStingFan]

Not all ‘06s are equal. Martone is a big time prospect. His trade value eliminated much of the draft capital required.. same with Van Bolsen in Peterborough for the Beck deal.

Yeah. Martone is going to a great player in the league. It really sucks to see him go but if you're going to for it, you might as well go all in

 

[StingUpdates]

Yeah. Martone is going to a great player in the league. It really sucks to see him go but if you're going to for it, you might as well go all in

Adding DelBelBelluz into it makes me feel A LOT better about it. He's a stud. Our T6 is unbelievable now (if it happens)

Still shitty to see Porter go. Especially after tonight. It's almost like a tease like this is what I'm gonna be the next 4 years..

Gonna be an exceptional player. Wish him the best in MISS. Wears his heart on his sleeve & I love that. We are gonna suck something fierce (pause) the next 2 seasons. If they don't get to at the very least round 3 this season I'm done. And truthfully maybe even the finals. This roster is stacked. Outrageously stacked. About as good of a dcore as you'll see in this league & a lethal top-6. Gaudreau finds his game & this team will be one of if not our best ever

 

[spits]

Sometimes there is a player you shouldn't trade, regardless if you are all-in. Bowler refuses to trade Christoforo. I believe Mortone is a player the Sting should not trade.

Anyways this was quite literally the worst game I've seen the Spitfires play since 2018 , but credit to the Sting, they played great, best of luck the rest of the season.

 

[StingUpdates]

Sometimes there is a player you shouldn't trade, regardless if you are all-in. Bowler refuses to trade Christoforo. I believe Mortone is a player the Sting should not trade.

Anyways this was quite literally the worst game I've seen the Spitfires play since 2018 , but credit to the Sting, they played great, best of luck the rest of the season.

I lean to that, but if it's the difference in getting bounced in RD2 or RD3 & winning it all then its worth it..especially for this cursed franchise.

Yah I was shocked how bad u guys looked. Your Defense was putrid. Felt for Onuska. He came off mad as heck. Went down the hall & smashed a whole bunch of things lol.

 

[SarniaStingFan]

Adding DelBelBelluz into it makes me feel A LOT better about it. He's a stud. Our T6 is unbelievable now (if it happens)

Still shitty to see Porter go. Especially after tonight. It's almost like a tease like this is what I'm gonna be the next 4 years..

Gonna be an exceptional player. Wish him the best in MISS. Wears his heart on his sleeve & I love that. We are gonna suck something fierce (pause) the next 2 seasons. If they don't get to at the very least round 3 this season I'm done. And truthfully maybe even the finals. This roster is stacked. Outrageously stacked. About as good of a dcore as you'll see in this league & a lethal top-6. Gaudreau finds his game & this team will be one of if not our best ever

The piece of DelBelBelluz is massive in this trade. He really rounds out our top 6 and Del Mastro rounds out our top 4. What it will all come down to at the end of the day is still Gaudreau. If he's not better, we're not going anywhere

 

[OMG67]

I lean to that, but if it's the difference in getting bounced in RD2 or RD3 & winning it all then its worth it..especially for this cursed franchise.

Yah I was shocked how bad u guys looked. Your Defense was putrid. Felt for Onuska. He came off mad as heck. Went down the hall & smashed a whole bunch of things lol.

I think we can all agree this was a Sellers market. When it is a Sellers market, it typically means there are a lot of buyers. A lot of buyers means a hell of a lot of competition. That means more teams you gotta fight through.

What I am trying to get at is there seems to be this assumption that Sarnia has a clear path to the OHL Finals. That’s not true becuase some other really good teams made significant additions as well. The playoffs start in Round Two. That means Sarnia is going to face three top shelf teams if they make it to the OHL Finals.

The BIGGEST problem is in a sellers market, selling teams can pull of deals for players like Martone and VanVolsen whereas when its a buyers market they cannot.

So, what is the result? Sarnia pays a huge price to be part of a bigger group of competition. Hamilton last year paid a smaller price to be a part of a smaller group of competition. They paid less and separated themselves from all other teams in their Conference to set up one round of battle (against Windsor).

Lesson learned? If you are going to make a big push, do it when there is a buyers market. Not only will you pay less but there are less teams to battle through.

If I had to guess, Sarnia plays Windsor and London in Round 2 and 3. Tough battles. Then Peterborough, North Bay, Barrie, or Ottawa in the Final.

I applaud the moves because they were ballsy and I love the drama. I know the timing doesn’t line up to a Buyera market so not like you can just pick and choose the right timing. It is jsut unfortunate Sarnia had the poor luck to line up with so many other teams.

 

[StingUpdates]

I think we can all agree this was a Sellers market. When it is a Sellers market, it typically means there are a lot of buyers. A lot of buyers means a hell of a lot of competition. That means more teams you gotta fight through.

What I am trying to get at is there seems to be this assumption that Sarnia has a clear path to the OHL Finals. That’s not true becuase some other really good teams made significant additions as well. The playoffs start in Round Two. That means Sarnia is going to face three top shelf teams if they make it to the OHL Finals.

The BIGGEST problem is in a sellers market, selling teams can pull of deals for players like Martone and VanVolsen whereas when its a buyers market they cannot.

So, what is the result? Sarnia pays a huge price to be part of a bigger group of competition. Hamilton last year paid a smaller price to be a part of a smaller group of competition. They paid less and separated themselves from all other teams in their Conference to set up one round of battle (against Windsor).

Lesson learned? If you are going to make a big push, do it when there is a buyers market. Not only will you pay less but there are less teams to battle through.

If I had to guess, Sarnia plays Windsor and London in Round 2 and 3. Tough battles. Then Peterborough, North Bay, Barrie, or Ottawa in the Final.

I applaud the moves because they were ballsy and I love the drama. I know the timing doesn’t line up to a Buyera market so not like you can just pick and choose the right timing. It is jsut unfortunate Sarnia had the poor luck to line up with so many other teams.

TRUST ME nobody on our board thinks it's a free run to the finals haha. While I think extremely highly of this group now & what they could do the western conference is a bloodbath. They'll very likely play a OS/FLT/SAG/WSR in round one. Those are all tough, tough series.

There's 7 good teams (if KIT ever wakes up lol). There will only be one "easy" series RD1 & unless SAR goes crazy in the 2nd half they won't be in it.

As u said some years it wouldn't of cost Martone, unfortunately this year the asking prices are crazy & it did. Said it before the trade that Sarnia isn't set up to be any good the next 2 years. They probably feel that way too so they thought we empty it now & rebuild for 2 years before hopefully building a good core for years to come (at that point)

Will it work? It's Sarnia so probably not. They'll probably crash & burn in April then be utter garbage the next 2 years before repeating the same cycle that they've been repeating for 30 years. But we are god damn well due & this is the time. Leave it all on the table.

 

[StingUpdates]

Added bonus with DelBelBelluz (if it happens) is he's great on draws at 55%. That'll give us 3 guys (Burke 59%, Lantz 58%) in the top 16 in the league (min 200+ attempts. Wainwright is at 53% too on over 200 draws.

Can loom large late in games, on special teams etc.

Also, something I found encouraging was Dillingham took 2or3 pretty big hits (threw 2or3 good ones himself) & he didn't show any signs of pain. Thought this was his best game since his return. He & Hoover (who had a great tilt) as a pair has gotta keep other teams on their toes.

 

[dirty12]

Well that puts Sarnia way in front if that's the deal. Sorry Windsor all your deals this week is for not. Same with you London. Kitchener would have to work another deal to trump Sarnia. Boy going to be some cellar dwellers next year in the West. (Kitchener, Windsor, Sarnia, Kitchener, London) Owen Sound becomes the best team in the West next year without having to do anything at this years deadline. Saginaw will be up there too.

WJ

The knights with the league’s best D will be ok next season

 

[dirty12]

Yes. My point is you don’t retake possession of them until Moldenhauer ages out. So they don’t officially return to you next season. I think they return as the year’s pass. So, you’d get the 2024 picks back after the close of the 2023-24 season. Then the 2025 picks return after the 2024-25 season.

Again. It shouldn’t matter. The Sting will use the picks to draft players in the rebuild. They won’t need to strategically use them in trades.

Do you know the conditions? There are probably picks that Sarnia sent conditionally already owned by Sarnia once again.

 

[robp1219]

Assuming this trade goes through. Who would be all the big fish left in the trade market? Shane wright and ….?

 

[Dougie Daryl Clark]

Assuming this trade goes through. Who would be all the big fish left in the trade market? Shane wright and ….?

Trade not final yet as both Martone and MacDonell have no trades and can't be crazy about the destination. My guess is there is also a Dman involved - Romeo or Mast.
The market for Wright just got tight. Ottawa still in mix but don't be surprised to see London swoop in like the vultures they are.

 

[dirty12]

Assuming this trade goes through. Who would be all the big fish left in the trade market? Shane wright and ….?

Mintyukov, Morrison & Grushnikov, maybe Flint decides trading Lombardi and others is their best option

Trade not final yet as both Martone and MacDonell have no trades and can't be crazy about the destination. My guess is there is also a Dman involved - Romeo or Mast.
The market for Wright just got tight. Ottawa still in mix but don't be surprised to see London swoop in like the vultures they are.

Missassauga is a great destination imo; excellent coach, less travel, and looking like there will be a lot of very good young talent to grow with.

 

[robp1219]

Trade not final yet as both Martone and MacDonell have no trades and can't be crazy about the destination. My guess is there is also a Dman involved - Romeo or Mast.
The market for Wright just got tight. Ottawa still in mix but don't be surprised to see London swoop in like the vultures they are.

Why would missauga want an 03 dman?

 

[StingUpdates]

Trade not final yet as both Martone and MacDonell have no trades and can't be crazy about the destination. My guess is there is also a Dman involved - Romeo or Mast.
The market for Wright just got tight. Ottawa still in mix but don't be surprised to see London swoop in like the vultures they are.

Are u hearing both MacDonell & Martone are involved then? Would make sense to give back a Dman. Figured it would be Young since Mast & Romeo play a fairly significant role, but at the same time you can only have so many "minutes munching" dmen.

Oh man would it be a gut punch for it to be stopped at the last minute because somebody uses a NTC. Hard to be mad at the player, obviously, but man this would be one of the biggest deals in team history

 

[Jnrl0719]

Are u hearing both MacDonell & Martone are involved then? Would make sense to give back a Dman. Figured it would be Young since Mast & Romeo play a fairly significant role, but at the same time you can only have so many "minutes munching" dmen.

Oh man would it be a gut punch for it to be stopped at the last minute because somebody uses a NTC. Hard to be mad at the player, obviously, but man this would be one of the biggest deals in team history

Apparently Angus has said goodbyes to some sting faithfuls last night …. Again who knows though

 

[StingUpdates]

Apparently Angus has said goodbyes to some sting faithfuls last night …. Again who knows though

Giving up both would be a ton. Especially if Mast or Romeo is involved. If they waive it see what's all in it.. the silence is driving me insane lol. We'll probably know if the PBO/MISS trade happens & nothing comes from us for a few hours that it might be getting axed by a ntc.

 

[Square Corners]

Trade not final yet as both Martone and MacDonell have no trades and can't be crazy about the destination. My guess is there is also a Dman involved - Romeo or Mast.
The market for Wright just got tight. Ottawa still in mix but don't be surprised to see London swoop in like the vultures they are.

Why wouldnt they be? They'll be playing more than they would in Sarnia this year and then every year after this year SAR will be horrible and MISS will be pretty damn good in 2 years. No way Martone wants to be on SAR next year for his draft year. Could be playing with Van Volsen and Misa in Mississauga

 

[StingUpdates]

I know both guys love it here so in that sense it makes sense. It's tough. Ones 16 & ones 17. They don't wanna be moving all around even though it closer to home.

From a hockey standpoint it would probably be better for them. It's 19s draft yr & he'd probably be playing T6 & in every situation for MISS. Martone might even crack their T6 & get great ice time.

Do wonder if flipping Mast or Romeo to recoup some picks becomes a possibility? See how it all shakes out..

 

[HkyBeegs3]

So people are hearing that both Martone and MacDonell are involved in a possible trade?!?!? I hate that trade. I'd rather one or the other but asking prices are steep it seems. Absolutely hate the idea of losing both especially martone .

 

[dirty12]

So people are hearing that both Martone and MacDonell are involved in a possible trade?!?!? I hate that trade. I'd rather one or the other but asking prices are steep it seems. Absolutely hate the idea of losing both especially martone .

You hate giving up those two for Del Mastro and Del Bel Belluz? These two offer a chance at a championship. The two going the other way offer Sarnia chance to recoup assets later.

 

[OHLColtsPuck]

Think I would rather add DBB + Del Mastro than any other two players in the league. I'd rather Barrie get these two than Shane Wright.

 

[honeydripper]

Giving up both would be a ton. Especially if Mast or Romeo is involved. If they waive it see what's all in it.. the silence is driving me insane lol. We'll probably know if the PBO/MISS trade happens & nothing comes from us for a few hours that it might be getting axed by a ntc.

I’m embarrassed at how many times I’ve refreshed the OHL media notes screen today.
My heart- I’m so sad to see two promising guys go for hired guns. Really going to miss the head nod/wink from Angus before the game. Porter is sooo good, he’s going to make us pay every time he plays us.
My head- it’s a business based on winning, and gate money.

 

[HkyBeegs3]

You hate giving up those two for Del Mastro and Del Bel Belluz? These two offer a chance at a championship. The two going the other way offer Sarnia chance to recoup assets later.

I really hope your right. I'm tired of the sting being garbage