Sarnia Sting 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

[Section5Petes]

Hear me out, my current thought is that with Windsor london and kitchener all going balls to the walls and Windsor and kitchener running their cupboards bare we should totally sell as much as we can and set ourselves up for the next five years while Windsor and kitchener are crap. I wonder if the owners are trolling this idea right now. Seca obviously wants to win now but look at the competition , we can't compete in my opinion with the west being a juggernaut.

There is no way that the Sting sell now. Pastujov, Kyrou in, the season Voit is having, there's no way they sell now. I think Sarnia is still working on a few more deals

 

[StingUpdates]

If his asking price is HIGHER than Shane Wright's hang up the phone. We aren't trading 15 pieces for him. Be idiocy.



Like seriously HANG UP THE PHONE

 

[LDN]

Hear me out, my current thought is that with Windsor london and kitchener all going balls to the walls and Windsor and kitchener running their cupboards bare we should totally sell as much as we can and set ourselves up for the next five years while Windsor and kitchener are crap. I wonder if the owners are trolling this idea right now. Seca obviously wants to win now but look at the competition , we can't compete in my opinion with the west being a juggernaut.

Idk if you add say Del Mastro and a top 6 forward I think you are right there and it just comes down to the playoffs. You have a tough freakin team. I think that bodes well for playoffs… ideal matchup for you would be Kitchener

 

[StingUpdates]

Hear me out, my current thought is that with Windsor london and kitchener all going balls to the walls and Windsor and kitchener running their cupboards bare we should totally sell as much as we can and set ourselves up for the next five years while Windsor and kitchener are crap. I wonder if the owners are trolling this idea right now. Seca obviously wants to win now but look at the competition , we can't compete in my opinion with the west being a juggernaut.

The owners want to win now. Seca may want to do what you're saying (I don't know just guessing) but the higher ups have put pressure on him to create a winner.

Your idea isn't bad & it's one I'd contemplate but it's probably to late to pivot. They are in to deep.

 

[Ferda11]

oh it's 100% too late to take it back...we are in it no doubt lol. I really believe Sarnia will do what's necessary and bring in that top 6 and maybe even another character bottom 6 guy to round this team out. Like @StingUpdates said, Seca likely has a tremendous amount of pressure to build a team that should go deep. How many more years of no playoff revenue can this franchise survive? That's a bigger factor than most think....

 

[StingUpdates]

Gonna be a wild few days. Asking prices around the league are crazy right now. No clue what Seca is gonna do. I honestly never understood getting E-DM, but heard it from so many I came around to it. We've always needed Fs more.

There really isn't a ton left & if they were held up on Del Mastro all week it could set them back. 4 days till the deadline. Not many cards left. Let the chaos begin..

 

[HkyBeegs3]

oh it's 100% too late to take it back...we are in it no doubt lol. I really believe Sarnia will do what's necessary and bring in that top 6 and maybe even another character bottom 6 guy to round this team out. Like @StingUpdates said, Seca likely has a tremendous amount of pressure to build a team that should go deep. How many more years of no playoff revenue can this franchise survive? That's a bigger factor than most think....

Understand your points and if the whole idea is to make money, wouldn't making the playoffs for 3-4 years straight versus having only two home games this year be a more fiscally smart thing to do? Someone keeps saying we're in too deep to turn back but I just don't buy that. At the most I would trade for a few grit kinda guys and let things be. Don't trade MacDonell or Martone ,specifically the later.

 

[OHL4Life]

Gonna be a wild few days. Asking prices around the league are crazy right now. No clue what Seca is gonna do. I honestly never understood getting E-DM, but heard it from so many I came around to it. We've always needed Fs more.

There really isn't a ton left & if they were held up on Del Mastro all week it could set them back. 4 days till the deadline. Not many cards left. Let the chaos begin..

dont think del mastro to sarnia was ever legit. they dont have enough, depth forward is what they are looking for

 

[StingUpdates]

dont think del mastro to sarnia was ever legit. they dont have enough, depth forward is what they are looking for

This is why I have trust issues.... hahah. If they are legit about winning they need more than a depth F..

 

[OHL4Life]

This is why I have trust issues.... hahah. If they are legit about winning they need more than a depth F..

i think they need alot to win to be honest. i wouldnt have gone in personally, but i get owners and managers are paid more then me to make those calls.

 

[HkyBeegs3]

This is why I have trust issues.... hahah. If they are legit about winning they need more than a depth F..

Not to mention quality goaltending from Benny Gaudreau...... Way too many question marks w this team....

 

[Savard18]

Hear me out, my current thought is that with Windsor london and kitchener all going balls to the walls and Windsor and kitchener running their cupboards bare we should totally sell as much as we can and set ourselves up for the next five years while Windsor and kitchener are crap. I wonder if the owners are trolling this idea right now. Seca obviously wants to win now but look at the competition , we can't compete in my opinion with the west being a juggernaut.

I’ve been saying this in Flint for weeks now.

 

[StingUpdates]

The Sting's issue now is what are they? As of now I'd say they could compete to be the 3rd best team in the conference w/KIT, SAG, OS, FLT. They aren't massively behind LDN, WSR, but there's a gap in my opinion after those teams additions.

Say they've decided they aren't going all-in. They add a 3rd line F who can score 20-ish goals & that's it. While I'd like that & it would be a much needed boost to the B6 it wouldn't be enough to thrust them into the true contender tier for me & it would make you wonder what was the point in adding Pasta, Kyrou then?

Look at Windsor last year. They had a great team, but decided not to go all-in. It cost them the ultimate goal of winning the OHL because the team they faced (HAM) who went all-in. This year while maybe they haven't given up a stud rookie, they've given up a ton of picks + a promising Dman they took in RD2 last yr & they look incredibly dangerous.

Heck you could look at Flint who had a fantastic team but decided not to add much at all at the deadline. Had they added they very very likely get to the OHL finals instead they ran into WSR who didn't go all-in, but added good pieces.

You cant half ass it because if you do you run into a team that didn't (WSR, LDN, KIT this yr) & you lose. I'm not saying trade Martone. We aren't getting Wright & Del Mastro costs to many picks (that we don't have.) But if they don't get a legit T6 F then all the talk we heard from Seca, Letang from camp on & the moves they made will be a waste.

 

[OMG67]

This is why I have trust issues.... hahah. If they are legit about winning they need more than a depth F..

you can’t slam a square peg into a round hole.

Not all big trades are meant to win a championship. Sometimes big deals are made because of how the team projects and winning a round or maybe two int he playoffs is the ultimate goal with anything else being a bonus.

There are going to be at least six teams that will have made big trades to make a difference to their team this deadline. Not all teams honestly think those deals are the deals that will win them a Championship. Most of them feel it gives them a better chance but that doesn’t mean they are going to divest themselves from every viable assets to throw their hat into the ring. You can’t say “why bother doing it at all if you aren’t going to do it right?”

Sometimes it is about giving the core young players in your lineup an opportunity for meaningful playoff experience. They aren’t trading those players because it is the experience they get that matters. PArt of the development for a player like Martone is playoff experience. That may be more valuable than trading him as part of a deal for ONE big star player and roll the dice on a championship.

Sometimes it is subtle. London was subtle. They traded Testa, yes, but I bet they felt he was expendable and wouldn’t overtly affect their future. Managed risk.

 

[StingUpdates]

you can’t slam a square peg into a round hole.

Not all big trades are meant to win a championship. Sometimes big deals are made because of how the team projects and winning a round or maybe two int he playoffs is the ultimate goal with anything else being a bonus.

There are going to be at least six teams that will have made big trades to make a difference to their team this deadline. Not all teams honestly think those deals are the deals that will win them a Championship. Most of them feel it gives them a better chance but that doesn’t mean they are going to divest themselves from every viable assets to throw their hat into the ring. You can’t say “why bother doing it at all if you aren’t going to do it right?”

Sometimes it is about giving the core young players in your lineup an opportunity for meaningful playoff experience. They aren’t trading those players because it is the experience they get that matters. PArt of the development for a player like Martone is playoff experience. That may be more valuable than trading him as part of a deal for ONE big star player and roll the dice on a championship.

Sometimes it is subtle. London was subtle. They traded Testa, yes, but I bet they felt he was expendable and wouldn’t overtly affect their future. Managed risk.

While I agree in parts, Sarnia isn't set up to be good for a few years after this. Even with Martone, MacDonell staying. They've traded almost all their picks already & given up Namestnikov (18), Daviault (17). They won't have anything of note to trade at next years deadline to acquire a young stud, or a handful of picks.

If Sarnia's goal isn't to win the championship this year with Voit, Pastujov, Burke, Lantz, Vilmanis, Mast, Kyrou, Ritchie, Gaudreau then they should've sold off & added a sh*t ton of picks & young talent. Aint nobody in Sarnia settling for a 2nd round exit because the few guys who will be here when we are good again got 12 games of playoff experience.

 

[OHL Fan]

Not to mention quality goaltending from Benny Gaudreau...... Way too many question marks w this team....

Yes, but they are way past the point of no return and its all or nothing for Mr. Seca. Has no choice to go all in. Seca may not be around in 2-3 years to watch Martone. JMO

 

[StingUpdates]

Yes, but they are way past the point of no return and its all or nothing for Mr. Seca. Has no choice to go all in. Seca may not be around in 2-3 years to watch Martone. JMO

I've liked a majority of his work. Coming off a really promising draft class. Like the value he's gotten in trades (Guy, Reesor, Thornton, Dann). Fan of the Pastujov, Ritchie, Hoover, Way trades. Good work in the import drafts with Lantz, Vilmanis.

 

[SarniaStingFan]

Since Del Mastro seems to be off the table, I'd be going hard after Logan Morrison. 2nd leading scorer in the league with championship experience who wouldn't cost as much as other players because he's an OA. Would mean we'd have to trade Dillingham but with our depth on D, I'm OK with that

 

[HkyBeegs3]

Yes, but they are way past the point of no return and its all or nothing for Mr. Seca. Has no choice to go all in. Seca may not be around in 2-3 years to watch Martone. JMO

4-6 playoff games for another 3 years of being sub par. Yay.

 

[Ferda11]

4-6 playoff games for another 3 years of being sub par. Yay.

We were going to be sub par anyway. This is the Sting.

 

[SarniaStingFan]

Vilmanis back in the lineup tonight according to the Sting twitter page. Big boost for the team. Carson Hall was added to the Sting roster on the OHL website. Wonder if he makes his debut tonight

 

[SarniaStingFan]

Wow! Just looked on the Sting website and they'll be near a sellout again tonight. Only 103 tickets remaining

 

[StingUpdates]

Wow! Just looked on the Sting website and they'll be near a sellout again tonight. Only 103 tickets remaining

My confidence was already low for tonight now I'm contemplating if I should even go with a big crowd lmao.

Seriously though great to see. The ppl of Sarnia are the definition of insanity

 

[HkyBeegs3]

We were going to be sub par anyway. This is the Sting.

It hurts to say it but ya, your right. We are the sting, it's what we are lol

 

[StingUpdates]

Seriously though they gotta show us something tonight. Not saying they gotta win, Windsor is on fire & have added 3 good players in the last 72 hours. But if we are to believe in them this has to be a close, competitive game. No more garbage performances at home. No excuses. Everybody is in except Gaudreau (least I think)

Start on time & play a full 60. Whatever happens, happens.