Confirmed with Link: Sandin to Washington for Erik Gustafsson and 1st (BOS)

[Pi]

I'm not even a huge Dubas guy and I was happy with this trade. Sandin isn't all that and then some. Entitled to boot.

Come on.

Yeah, there should be red flags going around when a contract that should take 5 minutes to complete takes months.

Dubas realized he's going to have to go through all this again in a year. Sandin's value would tank after being benched for much of the season after the trade deadline and the playoffs.

No one is giving a 1st for him at the draft. It was now or never.

 

[Ciao]

Sandin already showed us this offseason that he's a play-me-or-trade-me guy.

The Leafs wisely decided not to rely on him for the playoffs, so they traded him.

Done deal.

 

[Budz]

It was a good trade.

Haters gonna hate.

 

[Machinae]

They got a 1st round pick for the guy, I thought those were good? What else did people expect for him.

 

[ACC1224]

They got a 1st round pick for the guy, I thought those were good? What else did people expect for him.

I was never much of a fan so I'm not bothered that he was moved but I think what bothers some is the wasted development years.

 

[TopCheese]

I think Sandin will fill a niche in his career as a PPQB on a bad team. Not good enough defensively for a contender to make his offence worth having him in the lineup. He just cant keep up with fast forwards

 

[Mess]

It was a good trade.

Haters gonna hate.

Washington got a young Dman only 22 years old who was a former 1st round pick, who has put up 1 goal and 10 assists for 11 points in his first 8 games, while averaging nearly 25 minutes a night TOI/g.

They surrendered their extra 1st round pick acquired from Boston which can be no higher than 30th overall.

So far the return on investment favours the Caps.

If Dubas was acquiring young players under 23 for 1st round pics with long-term potential Leafs Nation fans would also be excited if they were contributing to NHL success.

Sadly Leafs GM is using 1sts to get out of Cap Hell with dumping contracts like Marleau or Mrazek or acquiring Muzzin and Foligno types that are only opportunity loss and not gain,

We still don't know what Dubas plans to do with this pick, and he could very well have acquired it to get out of the Matt Murray contract next year.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Yeah, there should be red flags going around when a contract that should take 5 minutes to complete takes months.

Dubas realized he's going to have to go through all this again in a year. Sandin's value would tank after being benched for much of the season after the trade deadline and the playoffs.

No one is giving a 1st for him at the draft. It was now or never.

If we didn’t have the D injuries at the start of the season (or picked up a healthy Timmins in the offseason instead) I wouldn’t be surprised if we were looking at a similar trade to the Lundqvist deal.

As good as the D is now, we could have done a lot more with earlier clarity on Muzzin’s health/LTIR space while sitting on 2 1sts to play with this year.

 

[authentic]

As much as the trade makes sense he was a regular part of our lineup when we were playing our best hockey of the season. With a healthy squad though no reason we can't get back to level and then some which we will have to if we're going anywhere in the playoffs.

 

[pdson]

Washington got a young Dman only 22 years old who was a former 1st round pick, who has put up 1 goal and 10 assists for 11 points in his first 8 games, while averaging nearly 25 minutes a night TOI/g.

They surrendered their extra 1st round pick acquired from Boston which can be no higher than 30th overall.

So far the return on investment favours the Caps.

If Dubas was acquiring young players under 23 for 1st round pics with long-term potential Leafs Nation fans would also be excited if they were contributing to NHL success.

Sadly Leafs GM is using 1sts to get out of Cap Hell with dumping contracts like Marleau or Mrazek or acquiring Muzzin and Foligno types that are only opportunity loss and not gain,

We still don't know what Dubas plans to do with this pick, and he could very well have acquired it to get out of the Matt Murray contract next year.

I believe the pick can be as high as 28 not 30.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Sadly Leafs GM is using 1sts to get out of Cap Hell with dumping contracts like Marleau or Mrazek or acquiring Muzzin and Foligno types that are only opportunity loss and not gain,

We still don't know what Dubas plans to do with this pick, and he could very well have acquired it to get out of the Matt Murray contract next year.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Washington got a young Dman only 22 years old who was a former 1st round pick, who has put up 1 goal and 10 assists for 11 points in his first 8 games, while averaging nearly 25 minutes a night TOI/g.

They surrendered their extra 1st round pick acquired from Boston which can be no higher than 30th overall.

So far the return on investment favours the Caps.

If Dubas was acquiring young players under 23 for 1st round pics with long-term potential Leafs Nation fans would also be excited if they were contributing to NHL success.

Sadly Leafs GM is using 1sts to get out of Cap Hell with dumping contracts like Marleau or Mrazek or acquiring Muzzin and Foligno types that are only opportunity loss and not gain,

We still don't know what Dubas plans to do with this pick, and he could very well have acquired it to get out of the Matt Murray contract next year.

Don't you normally tell us all how "defense wins championships"? Sandin has a lot of points but has also been giving up goals like candy since being moved and taking on a much larger role. Also Matt Murray's buyout is dirt cheap if it comes to that. Dubas is not moving the first to get out of his contract.

 

[Peasy]

Washington got a young Dman only 22 years old who was a former 1st round pick, who has put up 1 goal and 10 assists for 11 points in his first 8 games, while averaging nearly 25 minutes a night TOI/g.

They surrendered their extra 1st round pick acquired from Boston which can be no higher than 30th overall.

So far the return on investment favours the Caps.

If Dubas was acquiring young players under 23 for 1st round pics with long-term potential Leafs Nation fans would also be excited if they were contributing to NHL success.

Sadly Leafs GM is using 1sts to get out of Cap Hell with dumping contracts like Marleau or Mrazek or acquiring Muzzin and Foligno types that are only opportunity loss and not gain,

We still don't know what Dubas plans to do with this pick, and he could very well have acquired it to get out of the Matt Murray contract next year.

Yeah man, Muzzin was totally a horrible trade

 

[4thline]

Sandin played all of two games in Washington before his 23rd birthday. But guys, he was traded as a 22 year old, under 23 defenseman. I don't think you heard me, only 22 years old. I'm definitely not reiterating that technically true but functionally meaningless distinction to build up a soapbox

 

[ACC1224]

Washington got a young Dman only 22 years old who was a former 1st round pick, who has put up 1 goal and 10 assists for 11 points in his first 8 games, while averaging nearly 25 minutes a night TOI/g.

They surrendered their extra 1st round pick acquired from Boston which can be no higher than 30th overall.

So far the return on investment favours the Caps.

If Dubas was acquiring young players under 23 for 1st round pics with long-term potential Leafs Nation fans would also be excited if they were contributing to NHL success.

Sadly Leafs GM is using 1sts to get out of Cap Hell with dumping contracts like Marleau or Mrazek or acquiring Muzzin and Foligno types that are only opportunity loss and not gain,

We still don't know what Dubas plans to do with this pick, and he could very well have acquired it to get out of the Matt Murray contract next year.

Old habits are hard to break.

 

[Drytoast]

Washington got a young Dman only 22 years old who was a former 1st round pick, who has put up 1 goal and 10 assists for 11 points in his first 8 games, while averaging nearly 25 minutes a night TOI/g.

They surrendered their extra 1st round pick acquired from Boston which can be no higher than 30th overall.

So far the return on investment favours the Caps.

If Dubas was acquiring young players under 23 for 1st round pics with long-term potential Leafs Nation fans would also be excited if they were contributing to NHL success.

Sadly Leafs GM is using 1sts to get out of Cap Hell with dumping contracts like Marleau or Mrazek or acquiring Muzzin and Foligno types that are only opportunity loss and not gain,

We still don't know what Dubas plans to do with this pick, and he could very well have acquired it to get out of the Matt Murray contract next year.

Sandin was a late round first himself. He was difficult to negotiate and had a higher sense of worth then what he showed on the ice. Remember he held out only to sign for exactly what he was offered.

He's going to be tossed a plethora of minutes which is going to highlight his defensive woes. He will also get points on the PP. He's not Rielly and we already have Rielly. He was very likely not going to reup with us because he was never going to take Rielly's minutes.

Dubas made a call to get something for Sandin instead of nothing. This was a Dubas win.

 

[Pinkcat]

Washington got a young Dman only 22 years old who was a former 1st round pick, who has put up 1 goal and 10 assists for 11 points in his first 8 games, while averaging nearly 25 minutes a night TOI/g.

They surrendered their extra 1st round pick acquired from Boston which can be no higher than 30th overall.

So far the return on investment favours the Caps.

If Dubas was acquiring young players under 23 for 1st round pics with long-term potential Leafs Nation fans would also be excited if they were contributing to NHL success.

Sadly Leafs GM is using 1sts to get out of Cap Hell with dumping contracts like Marleau or Mrazek or acquiring Muzzin and Foligno types that are only opportunity loss and not gain,

We still don't know what Dubas plans to do with this pick, and he could very well have acquired it to get out of the Matt Murray contract next year.

I wish there was a dis-like function because this post has definitely earned one from me.

 

[ACC1224]

Sandin was a late round first himself. He was difficult to negotiate and had a higher sense of worth then what he showed on the ice. Remember he held out only to sign for exactly what he was offered.

He's going to be tossed a plethora of minutes which is going to highlight his defensive woes. He will also get points on the PP. He's not Rielly and we already have Rielly. He was very likely not going to reup with us because he was never going to take Rielly's minutes.

Dubas made a call to get something for Sandin instead of nothing. This was a Dubas win.

Wouldn't he still have been RFA?

 

[4thline]

Perspectives on value
29th overall pick 5 years post draft - good/great value retention. Take a gander at past drafts, the majority of players picked in that range have their peak value on draft day and dwindle to almost nothing. We got some good cheap hockey and then get to reload.

4th/5th LD in the depth chart- fantastic value

Young NHL proven D with more upside- risky move, only made acceptable by the McCabe deal and resulting Rielly/McCabe block for the next two years, and still... risky move.

 

[Discoverer]

Washington got a young Dman only 22 years old who was a former 1st round pick, who has put up 1 goal and 10 assists for 11 points in his first 8 games, while averaging nearly 25 minutes a night TOI/g.

They surrendered their extra 1st round pick acquired from Boston which can be no higher than 30th overall.

So far the return on investment favours the Caps.

If Dubas was acquiring young players under 23 for 1st round pics with long-term potential Leafs Nation fans would also be excited if they were contributing to NHL success.

Sadly Leafs GM is using 1sts to get out of Cap Hell with dumping contracts like Marleau or Mrazek or acquiring Muzzin and Foligno types that are only opportunity loss and not gain,

We still don't know what Dubas plans to do with this pick, and he could very well have acquired it to get out of the Matt Murray contract next year.

Yikes to all of this.

But specifically...

Murray has a higher cap hit than Mrazek ($4.6875 vs. $3.8), but it's a much better situation overall as it's only for one year rather than two. And Murray's owed less actual money ($8.0 for Murray vs. $8.6 for Mrazek). And Murray is both much better this year (.905 SV%/2.96 GAA) than Mrazek was (.888/3.34) and, despite his injury issues, has already played more games than Mrazek did.

Also, the cost of moving Mrazek wasn't as simple as trading a first round pick - because of the pick they got back, they only moved down 13 spots in the draft. The actual value was... what? A 3rd? Maybe a 2nd?

So Mrazek didn't actually cost a first to move and Murray is better and cheaper and more reliable, but yeah, it'll totally cost a 1st to move Murray.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Wonder if this is an opportunity to force feed him development time in a meaningless string of games.
An investment in his future.

Problem is, not sure sending him out there in roles he's not ready for to be caved in is great for his development.

 

[horner]

Perspectives on value
29th overall pick 5 years post draft - good/great value retention. Take a gander at past drafts, the majority of players picked in that range have their peak value on draft day and dwindle to almost nothing. We got some good cheap hockey and then get to reload.

4th/5th LD in the depth chart- fantastic value

Young NHL proven D with more upside- risky move, only made acceptable by the McCabe deal and resulting Rielly/McCabe block for the next two years, and still... risky move.

Sandin last 4 games with Washington
3 assist -11
He is a good oddensive dman
but hie is weak defensively

 

[Drytoast]

Wouldn't he still have been RFA?

Didn't he already hold out once?

 

[ACC1224]

Didn't he already hold out once?

Yes, last summer.

 

[Thornbury]

I believe the pick can be as high as 28 not 30.

You mean Mess got it wrong? Shocker.