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Confirmed with Link: Sandin to Washington for Erik Gustafsson and 1st (BOS)

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This trade is the least of our worries. We got a 1st and warm body out of it. Goalie depth may have been more important though.
 
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I don’t hate the trade. Sandin has a chip on his shoulder right now and I think will slow down. He can be a good PP QB middle pairing defencman. I would have preferred to use him to upgrade LW but it is what it is. We’ll see what happens with the first round pick.

Knowing the leafs they will use it to trade down with Murray like they did with Mrazek last season. The outrage on this board will be crazy if that happens!!!
 
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I didn't expect him to do this in another Jersey when I fought all summer to just pay the man. I envisioned he'd give 4-5 mil value by year 2 of his new contract @ 2-3 mil, but as a Leaf (when the rumors were 2-3 x 3 etc or even 4x4 and i didnt see a problem with that).

Words can't describe how stupid and random this trade is. Bostons 1st too lmao. Out of all the 1sts you can attack, this clown goes for Bostons. Classic scoob
 
ICBM said:
My logic is based on fact that Leafs can't win with Rielly. Because:
- not a smart player, and you can not have a player that is not smart on your first pair. He is paid like a first pair dman but he ain't.
- 0 grit
- can't defend, because... not smart

Sandin is a smart player and those tend to evolve. Rielly should have been traded and Sandin provided with opportunity. We lost Sandin and gonna get beaten in the playoffs again. Next manager gonna trade multiple first round picks to get real dman and retain salary to get rid of Rielly.
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For me, the problem with Sandin is 50% the player type, the player himself and 50% the blueline construction and why it would never work here.

Let's say the highest ceiling on a small, slow, not strong and high IQ defenseman is Adam Fox, a Norris Trophy winner who puts up star forward numbers.

Look at the Rangers blueline. They've insulated him with big body, length defending, two way, physical defensemen Trouba, Miller, Schneider, Harpur and another really tough defenseman in Ryan Lindgren. There is so much protection and backup so Fox can do what he does well without being burdened to do the physical work on the defensive end.

Going back to Sandin, he isn't Fox, he wasn't patient to develop in a supporting role. He wasn't capable of supporting the blueline mix, and the blueline mix wasn't built to protect him. It was a bad fit, he didn't want to fit, so move on.
 
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Stephen said:
For me, the problem with Sandin is 50% the player type, the player himself and 50% the blueline construction and why it would never work here.

Let's say the highest ceiling on a small, slow, not strong and high IQ defenseman is Adam Fox, a Norris Trophy winner who puts up star forward numbers.

Look at the Rangers blueline. They've insulated him with big body, length defending, two way, physical defensemen Trouba, Miller, Schneider, Harpur and another really tough defenseman in Ryan Lindgren. There is so much protection and backup so Fox can do what he does well without being burdened to do the physical work on the defensive end.

Going back to Sandin, he isn't Fox, he wasn't patient to develop in a supporting role. He wasn't capable of supporting the blueline mix, and the blueline mix wasn't built to protect him. It was a bad fit, he didn't want to fit, so move on.
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The Enstrom-Byfuglien pairing comes to mind.
 
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Stephen said:
Going back to Sandin, he isn't Fox, he wasn't patient to develop in a supporting role. He wasn't capable of supporting the blueline mix, and the blueline mix wasn't built to protect him. It was a bad fit, he didn't want to fit, so move on.
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Fox is a good example. I used Krug before. Also a good example. He was used very effectively in Boston paired with dmen who knew their business.

You get everything right, but I do not agree with your conclusions. Basically, you are saying that Sandin could be useful, if Leaf incompetent management were able to create the right blueline mix to fit him in. Your conclusion is: let's get rid of Sandin because he doesn't fit into current 'system'.
My conclusion is: fire incompetent management and keep Sandin.
 
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I actually don’t care whether or not what he’s doing with Washington Is sustainable, everyone know it isn’t so it’s kind of set up to fail argument. If he had 1 point and was playing 15 minutes a game so far I’d still think it a bad deal. And the McCabe deal shouldn’t impact the value of a Sandin, he’s a RFA, I don’t understand the logic, apart from short term pecking order. This deal will, probability speaking, continue to look bad as time moves forward. As an aside, Gus isn’t good at all in our end, Sandin was better, now not later.
 
Capitals have a lot of injuries right now?
Wonder if he'll pair up with Carlson when he's back?
Another 26 minute game for Sandin.
5 games played and just 1 penalty.

Will be interesting to see how it works out for both parties.
I don't dislike the Capitals, not sure I like them either.
 
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I heard Sandin just won the big 10 ncaa player of the year, they told Knies today that he can’t have it now that Sandin got mins in Wash
 
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Sandin looks real bad defensively last game. I think we need another 10 games or so before we buy into his newly won #1D status. He still has footspeed issues out there and still can't win a board battle.
 
The real issue was Rielly's contract. If we didn't resign him we could have properly insulated Sandin and had him step into a proper offensive role. The team seemed to perform as a more cohesive unit without Rielly, who has the constant inclination to jump up in the play even though he doesn't have the foot speed to cover for his poor judgement anymore. I think Sandin would have been the better option in Rielly's role with more upside. Even if he's slower, he's more positionally responsible.

Tough call in hindsight, letting your "#1 D" and great locker room guy walk during your cup window would send a weird message to the team... but those calls are why GMs are paid to make those decisions despite the optics.
 
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Sandin looks real bad defensively last game. I think we need another 10 games or so before we buy into his newly won #1D status. He still has footspeed issues out there and still can't win a board battle.
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He's not a #1D. Not even close. He's only playing heavy minutes because he's their shiny new toy, they have injuries/made trades, and they've accepted they're not making the playoffs this year, but the flashy points are kind of hiding the fact that he's getting absolutely caved in in those minutes.
 
NorthernFlicker said:
Sandin looks real bad defensively last game. I think we need another 10 games or so before we buy into his newly won #1D status. He still has footspeed issues out there and still can't win a board battle.
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Yes, he'll always have to rely on intuition when it comes to playing defense.
Mind you, even Schenn seemed to improved his mobility at age 28.
A trip to the minors was all he needed to get there.
Some players can get by with their skating, and doesn't hurt when playing with all-stars who control the puck.

He doesn't have to be a number 1 defenseman, to be a good asset.
Anyone who tries to discredit that is just blowing smoke.
 
Dekes For Days said:
He's not a #1D. Not even close. He's only playing heavy minutes because he's their shiny new toy, they have injuries/made trades, and they've accepted they're not making the playoffs this year, but the flashy points are kind of hiding the fact that he's getting absolutely caved in in those minutes.
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Ya I just made a similar comment on the mainboard thread - already the worst regular on the Caps in terms of xGA/60, getting buried on chances, etc.

A lot of statwatchers that are dooming are going to quietly dissapear once his production normalizes and the honeymoon phase ends. Last night he looked a lot like Toronto Sandin - couldn't keep up, bad decisions in his zone, could handle the forecheck, etc.
 
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Mind you, even Schenn seemed to improved his mobility at age 28.
A trip to the minors was all he needed to get there.
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Actually, Schenn was decently mobile when he first came into the league. He bulked up too much, and it killed his mobility, and eventually he slimmed down to a more ideal build for him.
Sandin's speed issues don't come from his build.
 
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Curious to see who we end up taking with the pick. For my money of the guys that are ranked around there, I wouldn't mind taking Hunter Brzustewics. Similiar type of player to Sandin, a bit better frame and better skater at same age. Not as good of a shooter. Seems like someone we could mold in a similar fashion, and he's been one of the few bright spots on a horribly coached Kitchener team which I think has hurt his stock somewhat.
 
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