Rumor: San Jose trying to trade Evander Kane

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That doesn't mean he's declining.
It means his value is. Asset management includes accounting for trade value and knowing when to move a piece... they've been trying to move kane already, with no luck, and his own team mates said they dont want him on the team. Where is his value?
 

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It means his value is. Asset management includes accounting for trade value and knowing when to move a piece... they've been trying to move kane already, with no luck, and his own team mates said they dont want him on the team. Where is his value?

I still disagree with that because Kane's value was already shit regardless because of his reputation. If his value was already nil, which can be argued, how is it declining if nobody will still trade for him?
 

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I still disagree with that because Kane's value was already shit regardless because of his reputation. If his value was already nil, which can be argued, how is it declining if nobody will still trade for him?
You can have more negative value. I.e I'll pay you a 1st to take him off our hands vs I'll pay you a 2nd
 
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You can have more negative value. I.e I'll pay you a 1st to take him off our hands vs I'll pay you a 2nd

You can but does it actually apply to this situation? Chances are that's a no and I don't know how anyone can actually show Kane's value is declining in any tangible way.
 

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Because negative value on a contract is possible. Teams pay to get rid of guys all the time...

He already had negative value for all intents and purposes. He already had a cancerous reputation and this doesn't change that is the point and the Sharks aren't paying to get rid of him.
 

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Because negative value on a contract is possible. Teams pay to get rid of guys all the time...
You need to distinguish types of value in this situation.

On ice value - Kane has a ton, and even if he slips a bit, he will still be worth more than his contract.

Off-ice distractions and negative value - Kane has a lot of this as well, but to different GMs and different teams and locker rooms, Kane is going to have greatly varied value.

A team with great leadership and structure might feel they could take on Kane and easily overcome his distractions, whereas a team with a ton of turnover and a questionable identity would be smart to steer well clear of taking on this kind of risk.

Ultimately, *if* he is cleared of gambling on games, then his positive value should outweigh his negative value. If he is found guilty of betting on games, well then.... he is probably done in the NHL anyhow.
 

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Kane has no value, so his contract immediately becomes an anchor if his production slips an inch. He's barely worth the money now and no one wants him...
Kane's on ice production is easily worth that contract. The issue is his attitude and off ice behaviours
 

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You need to distinguish types of value in this situation.

On ice value - Kane has a ton, and even if he slips a bit, he will still be worth more than his contract.

Off-ice distractions and negative value - Kane has a lot of this as well, but to different GMs and different teams and locker rooms, Kane is going to have greatly varied value.

A team with great leadership and structure might feel they could take on Kane and easily overcome his distractions, whereas a team with a ton of turnover and a questionable identity would be smart to steer well clear of taking on this kind of risk.

Ultimately, *if* he is cleared of gambling on games, then his positive value should outweigh his negative value. If he is found guilty of betting on games, well then.... he is probably done in the NHL anyhow.
Great take and your absolutely correct.
 

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Ignore the off ice issues for a second, and you still have one of the worst teams in the league wanting to trade him, that alone shows his value is dropping.

No it doesn't because you're not comparing it to any previous value. When the Sharks got Kane four years ago, they were the only ones with any level of interest.
 

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You need to distinguish types of value in this situation.

On ice value - Kane has a ton, and even if he slips a bit, he will still be worth more than his contract.

Off-ice distractions and negative value - Kane has a lot of this as well, but to different GMs and different teams and locker rooms, Kane is going to have greatly varied value.

A team with great leadership and structure might feel they could take on Kane and easily overcome his distractions, whereas a team with a ton of turnover and a questionable identity would be smart to steer well clear of taking on this kind of risk.

Ultimately, *if* he is cleared of gambling on games, then his positive value should outweigh his negative value. If he is found guilty of betting on games, well then.... he is probably done in the NHL anyhow.

He has zero value and he will not be traded for
 

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Ignore the off ice issues for a second, and you still have one of the worst teams in the league wanting to trade him, that alone shows his value is dropping.
They want to move him and get some value before they lose him for nothing.

They also want to move him because he makes them better.

The Sharks are a team that are in cap hell and not good enough to make the playoffs, but not bad enough to get a top pick. Losing Kane arguably drops them into top 5 pick territory, and gives them some cap flexibility to actually have 23 players without having to play shenanigans with recalls to stay cap compliant.
 

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Ignore the off ice issues for a second, and you still have one of the worst teams in the league wanting to trade him, that alone shows his value is dropping.

This run-on sentence makes little to no sense at all.
 

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If enough current sharks players want him gone then that may change :)

Until someone can coherently convey what value he is hypothetically declining from, I’m not going to see how that would change. Again, you haven’t even established what his value was to be declining from.
 

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Until someone can coherently convey what value he is hypothetically declining from, I’m not going to see how that would change. Again, you haven’t even established what his value was to be declining from.
What are you looking for? I don't see him as having any value, so I'm not sure why you're asking about what it's declining from...?

Bloated contract
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30+ already

Kind of the bad contract trifecta lol... every day he gets older it will only get worse, unless he turns back the clock 5+ years and develops some consistency...
 

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You need to distinguish types of value in this situation.

On ice value - Kane has a ton, and even if he slips a bit, he will still be worth more than his contract.

Off-ice distractions and negative value - Kane has a lot of this as well, but to different GMs and different teams and locker rooms, Kane is going to have greatly varied value.

A team with great leadership and structure might feel they could take on Kane and easily overcome his distractions, whereas a team with a ton of turnover and a questionable identity would be smart to steer well clear of taking on this kind of risk.

Ultimately, *if* he is cleared of gambling on games, then his positive value should outweigh his negative value. If he is found guilty of betting on games, well then.... he is probably done in the NHL anyhow.

Not too sure about this. Hes had problems with his team mates at every stop in his career.

Even if hes clear of gambling on games. His bankruptcy case and general negative press will probably scare off most teams.
 

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What are you looking for? I don't see him as having any value, so I'm not sure why you're asking about what it's declining from...?

Bloated contract
Long term
30+ already

Kind of the bad contract trifecta lol... every day he gets older it will only get worse, unless he turns back the clock 5+ years and develops some consistency...

His contract is not bloated based on production so again you’re not really helping your case here and he has been consistent so you’re clearly only basing your opinion on reputation rather than what he’s actually done as a Shark.
 

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Kane has been very consistent as a Shark and any thought to the contrary is complete horseshit.

he also consistently has ruined team cohesion and morale. Both I think should be highly valued. I mean he did it with the jets, buffalo and now SJ. Any thought to the contrary is complete horseshit.
 
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