Rumor: San Jose trying to trade Evander Kane

[Pinkfloyd]

I disagree the jets were a much happier, more cohesive team. I think the Sharks will be as well.

Every NHL team the kane has played on in the past has deemed him to detrimental to keep on their team. His off ice antics have only gotten worse and from what has been leaked from SJ his on team antics have stayed the same since Winnipeg. I don't play professional team sports but i would most if not all players credit the "great room" for many winning performances. I imagine rallying a team between periods is less efficient with a player who expresses his lack of respect for his fellow teammates consistently (coming late for practices, ignoring team rules, etc).

It took the Jets three seasons to be a playoff team after moving Kane so even if they were more cohesive, it didn’t yield immediate results at all. They still needed to make quite a few moves to get there.

Buffalo was problematic even before Kane showed up.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

It took the Jets three seasons to be a playoff team after moving Kane so even if they were more cohesive, it didn’t yield immediate results at all. They still needed to make quite a few moves to get there.

Buffalo was problematic even before Kane showed up.

...it doesn't tell you anything that Winnipeg were knowingly willing to give up by far the best player in that trade just to rid themselves of Kane's toxicity??...and then he was a problem in Buffalo (yes, they were a shyteshow already, but Kane just made a bad situation worse)...and now he's a problem in San Jose...problem children are problem children, period...

 

[Pinkfloyd]

...it doesn't tell you anything that Winnipeg were knowingly willing to give up by far the best player in that trade just to rid themselves of Kane's toxicity??...and then he was a problem in Buffalo (yes, they were a shyteshow already, but Kane just made a bad situation worse)...and now he's a problem in San Jose...problem children are problem children, period...

It shows me that multiple things can be true at the same time. Team was fine with Kane when they were a playoff team with him in two seasons. Kane is a problem child but the team is terrible beyond that too and need a lot more movement than what they got. If keeping Kane meant getting rid of Burns, Couture, Karlsson, or Vlasic then it’s good for the direction of the team.

 

[Irie]

...it doesn't tell you anything that Winnipeg were knowingly willing to give up by far the best player in that trade just to rid themselves of Kane's toxicity??...and then he was a problem in Buffalo (yes, they were a shyteshow already, but Kane just made a bad situation worse)...and now he's a problem in San Jose...problem children are problem children, period...

Buffalo moved Kane because he was an upcoming free agent and he wasn't going to re-sign with them, (and they got a 1st, 4th, and b prospect for him.)

IIRC, he missed one practice during his time in Buffalo, the team fined him and they moved on, but that was as couple of years before he was traded. To imply that he was some kind of total shit-show in Buffalo isn't really fair.

 

[Whileee]

You can but does it actually apply to this situation? Chances are that's a no and I don't know how anyone can actually show Kane's value is declining in any tangible way.

The Sharks traded a 1st + for Kane, and gave him a big 7 year contract with substantial trade protection. Now they are trying to trade him less than halfway through his contract. I'd say that's a tangible signal about his decline in value.

 

[glovesave_35]

It depends on who is doing the complaining and what their actual options are. It’s not going to be some simple answer. The only players I would give a shit about complaining about Kane would be Ferraro and maybe Hertl depending on his contract status. I’d rather use Kane to drive any other player out than sit Kane.

Can you elaborate on this? I don't understand what you mean.

 

[StephenPeat]

They're not paying a 1st to move Kane nor to get Kuznetsov. Straight up? Maybe but not that.

Nobody in The League is moving a Kuznetsov for Kane given that massive thunder and lightning heaving cloud that has been following Kane around for a while now. It’s pretty impressive that Kane is a bigger cancer than a guy with coke issues on the record but here we are. Kane’s antics and belief in his own abilities are generational unfortunately his actual abilities are hardly worth that PR nightmare. Caps will just keep Kuznetsov and Sharks can just wait for the inevitable.

 

[Kurrilino]

Oh my after reading all this, thinking back a month when sharks fans asked for a Byfield+ vs Kane trade

 

[Pinkfloyd]

The Sharks traded a 1st + for Kane, and gave him a big 7 year contract with substantial trade protection. Now they are trying to trade him less than halfway through his contract. I'd say that's a tangible signal about his decline in value.

The Sharks traded against themselves and only traded a late conditional 1st and a 4th. They took the gamble nobody else would have. And trying to trade him and trading him are two different things. Until we actually see a trade, if at all, and without the context of the original trade to San Jose, it's merely an assumption.

Can you elaborate on this? I don't understand what you mean.

I mean, I'd rather keep him, piss off pretty much every other player, and make them want out than acquiesce to their complaining when they haven't earned shit. Kane had every personal reason to play like crap and didn't. Those other guys have no such excuse. No matter what reason they trot out, it's a bad excuse to not be a professional.

Nobody in The League is moving a Kuznetsov for Kane given that massive thunder and lightning heaving cloud that has been following Kane around for a while now. It’s pretty impressive that Kane is a bigger cancer than a guy with coke issues on the record but here we are. Kane’s antics and belief in his own abilities are generational unfortunately his actual abilities are hardly worth that PR nightmare. Caps will just keep Kuznetsov and Sharks can just wait for the inevitable.

I wasn't actually expecting such a thing but I'm not paying anyone anything valuable to take Kane.

Oh my after reading all this, thinking back a month when sharks fans asked for a Byfield+ vs Kane trade

This is such a load of shit. There was maybe one person that made such an outlandish proposal and it was to make a point rather than be serious about the value.

 

[MessierII]

Nobody is touching Kane. Sharks are a mess either way. Astronomical amount of cap tied up in declining players.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

I knew as soon as I walked into this thread it wouldn't take me long to about face and walk the hell back out...

 

[bandwagonesque]

I knew as soon as I walked into this thread it wouldn't take me long to about face and walk the hell back out...

Yeah, it's actually everyone else's fault, not Kane's, and we have no way of knowing whether his value has declined, and the Sharks should get rid of nearly everyone on the team but him.

 

[Pavelski2112]

Yeah, it's actually everyone else's fault, not Kane's, and we have no way of knowing whether his value has declined, and the Sharks should get rid of nearly everyone on the team but him.

Unironically this. Maybe this team would be full of guys who actually played hockey in that case

 

[glovesave_35]

I mean, I'd rather keep him, piss off pretty much every other player, and make them want out than acquiesce to their complaining when they haven't earned shit. Kane had every personal reason to play like crap and didn't. Those other guys have no such excuse. No matter what reason they trot out, it's a bad excuse to not be a professional.

I don't get it. Sounds like you want to find the apples with tiny blemishes by letting the bad apple turn their small imperfections into rot.

 

[TS Quint]

Buffalo moved Kane because he was an upcoming free agent and he wasn't going to re-sign with them, (and they got a 1st, 4th, and b prospect for him.)

IIRC, he missed one practice during his time in Buffalo, the team fined him and they moved on, but that was as couple of years before he was traded. To imply that he was some kind of total shit-show in Buffalo isn't really fair.

https://www.buffalohockeybeat.com/tempers-flare-sabres-justin-falk-evander-kane-practice/

You sure it was all roses in with Kane in the Sabres locker room? Why does he always have to be fighting with his team?

 

[MillerTime]

https://www.buffalohockeybeat.com/tempers-flare-sabres-justin-falk-evander-kane-practice/

You sure it was all roses in with Kane in the Sabres locker room? Why does he always have to be fighting with his team?

Or when he was fighting with women pulling their hair in a Buffalo bar and getting into it with the bouncers. Ya he was a real saint in Buffalo. That was probably one of the worst moves Sabres made was bringing him in to be with a young Eichel and Reinhart.

 

[samsagat]

I bet Bergevin will make a pitch for him.

After Hoffman, Mailloux and Wideman let's go for the Quadruplets

 

[TS Quint]

Kane is unmoveable. So are Karlsson, Burns, Couture, and Vlasic. On top of that their prospect pool is weak.

How Wilson has a job is completely non sensical. He had a destination franchise where everyone wanted to be. He has ruined it with god awful big money, long term contracts with M/NMC. He is running the leagues worst country club. Why give the term, money AND restricted himself on moving those contracts? Just dumb. Now his locker room is a mess and no real player wants in.

On top of that he walked Hertl to UFA. I’m really interested to see what that contract is going to look like and if he runs as fast as he can away from this mess.

No one will touch Kane. I agree with those who say paying to Get rid of Kane is a mistake. But you can’t have Kane rotting the team from the inside out. The buy out isn’t bad and the fans must be ready to embrace the suck for the next 5 years anyway while the team turns over nearly the whole roster.

 

[TS Quint]

Or when he was fighting with women pulling their hair in a Buffalo bar and getting into it with the bouncers. Ya he was a real saint in Buffalo. That was probably one of the worst moves Sabres made was bringing him in to be with a young Eichel and Reinhart.

Of the long list of issues Kane has had there is one common denominator, EVANDER KANE. To think of it any other way is nothing short of cognitive dissonance which is a weird thing to do if you are actually a fan of the team he is on.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Did you guys hear about the Sharks contracts? They’re bad. Ha.

 

[Drew311]

Yeah San Jose is in for quite an ugly decade.

 

[samsagat]

After being one of the most successful organization of the NHL for decades (without winning the cup), it's +/- a normal cycle...

But their gm got insane with all these huge contracts to soon to be (or already) 30 yo.

Sometimes success brings you to a certain way of thinking: aiming for short terms success, neglecting the future..

 

[Groo]

Kane is unmoveable. So are Karlsson, Burns, Couture, and Vlasic. On top of that their prospect pool is weak.

How Wilson has a job is completely non sensical. He had a destination franchise where everyone wanted to be. He has ruined it with god awful big money, long term contracts with M/NMC. He is running the leagues worst country club. Why give the term, money AND restricted himself on moving those contracts? Just dumb. Now his locker room is a mess and no real player wants in.

On top of that he walked Hertl to UFA. I’m really interested to see what that contract is going to look like and if he runs as fast as he can away from this mess.

No one will touch Kane. I agree with those who say paying to Get rid of Kane is a mistake. But you can’t have Kane rotting the team from the inside out. The buy out isn’t bad and the fans must be ready to embrace the suck for the next 5 years anyway while the team turns over nearly the whole roster.

What destination franchise? The Sharks have long had trouble signing bigger named free agents

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I don't get it. Sounds like you want to find the apples with tiny blemishes by letting the bad apple turn their small imperfections into rot.

Small imperfections is underselling the situation.

 

[glovesave_35]

Small imperfections is underselling the situation.

Yeah man, I really don't get it. You want a turd to flush out the rest of the crap. Can't you just have a look at what you've got and do the math without needing to find out who complains about this one asshole?

I'm not one to judge without all the facts, but if half of what is being said about Kane is true, then can you really blame random teammates for asking their GM to get that type of person as far away from them as possible? He may be the best player on the team (I don't know) but it isn't like he is a game-breaking talent. Career high 57 points (maybe he bests that in a full season last year) and 30 goals...that is a good/very good NHL player.

Anyways, it's your team so good luck with that.