Samsonov - Why not us?

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It was probably here, but I’m sure I read something about him taking accountability for not reaching his potential heights, and that there was a renewed focus and drive, here in Toronto.

It would be great for him to claim the crease this season, but I would still be hesitant to hand him term after a bounce-back season
 
Problem is the more Samsonov performs/meets his potential, the harder it will be to re-sign him. We need him to be good - but not THAT good :laugh:
 
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Problem is the more Samsonov performs/meets his potential, the harder it will be to re-sign him. We need him to be good - but not THAT good :laugh:
He can be the next Sorokin or Demko or Shesterkin (goalies who broke out at 25) for all I care. If he is, he becomes part of the core more than Nylander or Tavares.
 
What would make you think that he might decline sharply this year?

Who knows if he will. But the statistical odds that a player scores more as 26 year old NHLer than as an echl or junior player is pretty rare. He couldn’t score in the echl. He was barely a 20 g scorer in junior.


The odds are against him. I wish him luck though

 
Might get his old team right out of the gate with a B2B to start the year.
Very true.

I wasn't thrilled when I first read of his signing.
I watched him get lit up against us.

This could be a perfect case as OP states that we hit a guy who needed to get healthy, needed a change and a new voice.

those 3 KHL seasons look like he was a stud while only 19-20-21 years old

16-6 as a 22 year old rookie in the NHL with a .913 is awesome.
52-22 through his age 24 season.

Looks like a low floor and high ceiling play here.
 
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He can be the next Sorokin or Demko or Shesterkin (goalies who broke out at 25) for all I care. If he is, he becomes part of the core more than Nylander or Tavares.

No matter how good he is the sample size of being good will be 1. Hard to determine if he's more part of the core than Nylander/Tavares after 1 season and you need to make that decision while they're still signed for 1/2 more years. Not the worst problem to have but still a tough situation potentially.
 
we can only hope

Yup. But it sucks, to be where we are with this core(6 years in) and to have zero real plan in place for goal. We're pinning a lot of hope on a (likely) washed up Matt Murray and a one year deal/reclamation project in Samsanov. One of them could indeed surprise us and play great.........here's HOPING.

Or they could continue to suck and we've wasted a year of Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Rielly in their absolute prime. Shitty plan, to just roll the dice and hope like this.
 
renewed focus and drive, here in Toronto.

I've had a controversial angle to consider that predict Samsonov will actually reach the height of his potential as a Leaf.

Wonder if his bad stretches has anything to do with being around the coke head in washington. This isnt a personal attack dont take away my like button. You can google 'kuznetsov cocaine' and all the articles will come up as general knowledge.

Kuznetsov consider Samsonov one of his good friends and doesnt seem to care about winning anymore since the cup, just enjoying life now. Not a good role model for firing up a drive in Ilya. Ilya is one of his closest friends so maybe his career will take off now being somewhere where he has no choice but to perform and away from distractions.

If you think my theory is crazy to blame Kuznetsov as a bad influence, read this first then re-think if I'm crazy:


I know blaming kuznetsov isnt fair, samsonov might be a head case himself but choosing to give him benefit of the doubt and take his word about renewed focus and drive.
 
What would make you think that he might decline sharply this year?
Well for starters, different team and system and coach might effect his play cause of how he's utilized. And the fact that he want from being an average minor league player and putting up a ppg pace in 1 season is kind of odd. Not saying he's a flash in the pan, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was
 
I've had a controversial angle to consider that predict Samsonov will actually reach the height of his potential as a Leaf.

Wonder if his bad stretches has anything to do with being around the coke head in washington. This isnt a personal attack dont take away my like button. You can google 'kuznetsov cocaine' and all the articles will come up as general knowledge.

Kuznetsov consider Samsonov one of his good friends and doesnt seem to care about winning anymore since the cup, just enjoying life now. Not a good role model for firing up a drive in Ilya. Ilya is one of his closest friends so maybe his career will take off now being somewhere where he has no choice but to perform and away from distractions.

If you think my theory is crazy to blame Kuznetsov as a bad influence, read this first then re-think if I'm crazy:


I know blaming kuznetsov isnt fair, samsonov might be a head case himself but choosing to give him benefit of the doubt and take his word about renewed focus and drive.
I would want your theory to be correct because if it's simple maturity reasons that held him back from hitting his ceiling, he's a good bet to turn it around as he's older and wiser now and seems to want to become a disciplined professional.

Might have a huge steal on our hands here.
 
Problem is the more Samsonov performs/meets his potential, the harder it will be to re-sign him. We need him to be good - but not THAT good :laugh:

I think we want him to reach full potential either way, but it would set up an awkward 2023-24 transitional season where you're paying big bucks to him and Murray.
 
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Steen for one. Lots of examples
Some players just don't settle in a hockey market like Toronto.

Steen was 13 years ago. That's kind of my point - you have to go back over a decade to actually find examples of guys who weren't given enough opportunity here and shone elsewhere. Brown and Marchment are the only recent examples that fit the bill, and it's not as if either of those guys turned into a star.
 
I mean guys like Marchment and Verhaeghe stand out but these are guys whose teams put them through waivers well after we moved them. It happens.

But in general we should never be surprised that guys put up better numbers with more ice time on bad teams than they did here on a very good team.
 
I think we want him to reach full potential either way, but it would set up an awkward 2023-24 transitional season where you're paying big bucks to him and Murray.
Anything can happen in a year. Just keep my fingers crossed that one of our goalies can stand up and take the net with commanding presence. If Samsonov is real deal we deal with it. I have gut feeling that this is last season for Muzzin, so that might shake things up.
 
I've had a controversial angle to consider that predict Samsonov will actually reach the height of his potential as a Leaf.

Wonder if his bad stretches has anything to do with being around the coke head in washington. This isnt a personal attack dont take away my like button. You can google 'kuznetsov cocaine' and all the articles will come up as general knowledge.

Kuznetsov consider Samsonov one of his good friends and doesnt seem to care about winning anymore since the cup, just enjoying life now. Not a good role model for firing up a drive in Ilya. Ilya is one of his closest friends so maybe his career will take off now being somewhere where he has no choice but to perform and away from distractions.

If you think my theory is crazy to blame Kuznetsov as a bad influence, read this first then re-think if I'm crazy:


I know blaming kuznetsov isnt fair, samsonov might be a head case himself but choosing to give him benefit of the doubt and take his word about renewed focus and drive.
Wasn't there an article talking about Samsonov being caught between two veteran Russians with very different outlooks on hockey in Washington with Ovechkin and Kuznetsov, and both of them trying to push their ways of "acting as a professional" on him at the same time? Actually, ending up in Washington as a Russian goalie protege may have been the worst thing to happen to Sami...
 
Been a long time since we've had a goalie with this level of athleticism. It is a very worthwhile gamble keeping this guy in the organization for atleast a couple more years if he doesn't do so hot this year.
 
It seems every time we have had a player with any potential, as soon as they moved on they reached it elsewhere.

I am here to ask, why not us for a change? A first round pick, formerly in the same tier of goalie prospect as Shesterkin and Sorokin. Goalies always take more time to develop. Why can't this guy become a true starter for us?

Playing great in pre-season
It's actually other way around. Most of our players that moved out didn't pan out to much.

We have won our share of trades. Jvr for Schenn. We robbed McCabe. We got Gardiner for free. Sparks hasn't turned to be anything neither was Reimmer. Kulemin, Frattin, gundstrom, trusty, Jeremy Williams

Everyone talks about Steen. He only scored 30 goals once in his life time and handful of times 20 goals in a very stacked Blues team

Most of his life he was a 15-20 goal scorer. We didn't exactly give up a high end 40 goal scorer.
 
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For some crazy reason I think he is going to work out.
No real reason why

I watched enough petruzelli last year to have faith in him. Despite last night 3rd goal.
 

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