Salary Cap: Salary Cap Summer | The Hunt for 3C | Updated cap info in Post #1

[ColePens]

Sheary's comparison is probably Martin St. Louis, except that he plays like the Calgary version of St. Louis and the Tampa Bay version of St. Louis all in the same game!



If he is trying to price himself off the roster, I am sure JR would oblige.

The fact they both have the same agent is interesting. It could be that our management team and this agent group don't really get along as well as some others.

That's why a 3 year/10m contract makes too much sense. Stay with Sid, put up 50 pt years, and in UFA... son you gun get paiiiiid. 6 years 36m by some team who thinks you can do it w/o Sid.

If you price yourself off this team for 3x4... then you are going to hate your next contract.

 

[ColePens]

Schultz showed you how it's done from an RFA standpoint. That's how you do it. Take a show me contract (maybe not as low as he did) and go get paid.

Bones showed ya how to cash in, too. But trying to fight over 1m in RFA is silly. If you get moved to a **** team, you aren't going to do the same things you do with Sid. Just won't happen.

 

[Clare2904]

Where should this be posted? Looks good

 

[Shady Machine]

Count me as another one thinking "Dumo = 2.5M, Sheary = 4.0M" sounds like its flipped.



If we can pull that off.....that would be incredible. Leaves ~4.5M to retain Archibald and, potentially, go out and use that money. Toss a 2 year, 3M AAV deal to Vanek?

We need a 3C still. No need or desire for Vanek.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

We need a 3C still. No need or desire for Vanek.

Yeah. Rather play Sprong.

 

[ZeroPucksGiven]

We need a 3C still. No need or desire for Vanek.

Thank you

Anyone who suggests adding a winger should receive a temporary ban

 

[PensPlz]

Sheary at 4 million sounds awful. Probably why we haven't found a third center yet.

I don't blame Sheary for wanting that. He's an undrafted guy that broke through. He has 2 rings after 2 good seasons. Time to get paid. But... we can't afford to pay all these premium prices to all of our UFAs in the same position. So.... Bye, Felicia.

 

[Jacob]

He's really only had 1 good season.

Thank you

Anyone who suggests adding a winger should receive a temporary ban

Especially a has-been like Vanek.

 

[Freeptop]

Regarding Sheary's potential cap hit:

1) The NHL league average salary was $2.9M for the 15/16 season (https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtba...n-major-american-sports-leagues/#5fea93531050). While the Cap hasn't risen very much, it has gone up, so the average salary has as well. So $3M at this point is likely just below the average salary in the league for next season. Sheary has been an above-average player, so you can pretty much have $3M as the floor of what he'll make.

2) Consider the cap hit of some of the following players:
Mark Stone: $3.5M
Brendan Gallagher: $3.75M
Anders Lee: $3.75M
Rickard Rakell: $3.8M
Adam Henrique: $4M
Victor Rask: $4M

Compare their points production to Sheary's at the time they signed those deals, and try to tell me Sheary wouldn't be able to get a similar deal out of arbitration.

I found those by plugging in numbers to CapFriendly's comparables tool, in case anyone is wondering why I picked those contracts: https://capfriendly.com/comparables

Mike Colligan's guess of $4M for Sheary sounds about right to me.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

What about something like this?

To LA:
Conor Sheary

To PGH:
Nick Shore + LA's 2nd in 2018.

He's 50% at faceoffs, solid skater, good hockey IQ, good hands and a playmaker, averages 1:17 for short handed time per game. He's also an RFA.

LA is fairly deep down the middle with Kopitar, Carter, Lewis, Dowd, and Shore. But they lack depth scoring on the wing outside of Toffoli and Pearson.

Talent Analysis
Shore is a skillful, two-way forward that is blessed with tremendous hockey sense and great hands. He thinks the game remarkably well and possesses the ability to dictate its tempo. His anticipation is very good and he makes smart decisions both with and without the puck. Shore’s hands coupled with his superb on-ice vision allow him to find open teammates and make crisp tape-to-tape passes. He has a good, active stick and does a good job of taking away lanes defensively. He is strong in transition and is equally at home playing both offense and defense. Shore can play both wing and center and uses his frame advantageously, particularly in high traffic areas. He brings passion and grit and does not shy away from physical contact. He is primarily a playmaker but has finishing ability. Another of Shore’s attributes is a terrific shot. He skates with strong, smooth strides and has good balance. He is not lightning fast, but moves and accelerates very well; consistently keeping his feet moving.


Read more at http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/nick_shore/#r39moGCZTwuvIf01.99

https://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/...ading-the-nhl-in-corsi-and-its-pretty-strange


I mean obviously I would love to get Kempe from them in addition to Shore, but I think LA would covet a guy like Sheary. They need to get quicker and need better scoring depth. They got he injury prone Cammy for 1m/1yr, they are looking to change their identity from the Sutter teams that were heavy and grind them out types of teams.

 

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McDavid signs a 8yr/100mil contract

 

[Shady Machine]

Regarding Sheary's potential cap hit:

1) The NHL league average salary was $2.9M for the 15/16 season (https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtba...n-major-american-sports-leagues/#5fea93531050). While the Cap hasn't risen very much, it has gone up, so the average salary has as well. So $3M at this point is likely just below the average salary in the league for next season. Sheary has been an above-average player, so you can pretty much have $3M as the floor of what he'll make.

2) Consider the cap hit of some of the following players:
Mark Stone: $3.5M
Brendan Gallagher: $3.75M
Anders Lee: $3.75M
Rickard Rakell: $3.8M
Adam Henrique: $4M
Victor Rask: $4M

Compare their points production to Sheary's at the time they signed those deals, and try to tell me Sheary wouldn't be able to get a similar deal out of arbitration.

I found those by plugging in numbers to CapFriendly's comparables tool, in case anyone is wondering why I picked those contracts: https://capfriendly.com/comparables

Mike Colligan's guess of $4M for Sheary sounds about right to me.

Yeah I don't think it's an unreasonable ask nor would I be surprised to see that award in arbitration since point totals are solid evidence of contribution. Things like possession stats and other neat-o advanced stats are valuable, but try explaining those values to an independent arbitrator and building a case around them. That's why I think Dumo should try to sign a long term deal before arbitration.

However, I think a middle term deal for Sheary would be lower than 4MM because of a short sample size. If Sheary wants to maximize his short term earnings, he should go to arbitration. If he wants money and some security, I think he should sign a 3 year deal before arbitration with a caphit sub 4MM. Something like 3 years 10.5-11MM.

 

[66-30-33]

What about something like this?

To LA:
Conor Sheary

To PGH:
Nick Shore + LA's 2nd in 2018.

He's 50% at faceoffs, solid skater, good hockey IQ, good hands and a playmaker, averages 1:17 for short handed time per game. He's also an RFA.

LA is fairly deep down the middle with Kopitar, Carter, Lewis, Dowd, and Shore. But they lack depth scoring on the wing outside of Toffoli and Pearson.


https://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/...ading-the-nhl-in-corsi-and-its-pretty-strange

Down the middle:

Crosby
Malkin
Shore
Shore

 

[dasuc]

What about something like this?

To LA:
Conor Sheary

To PGH:
Nick Shore + LA's 2nd in 2018.

He's 50% at faceoffs, solid skater, good hockey IQ, good hands and a playmaker, averages 1:17 for short handed time per game. He's also an RFA.

LA is fairly deep down the middle with Kopitar, Carter, Lewis, Dowd, and Shore. But they lack depth scoring on the wing outside of Toffoli and Pearson.


https://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/...ading-the-nhl-in-corsi-and-its-pretty-strange


I mean obviously I would love to get Kempe from them in addition to Shore, but I think LA would covet a guy like Sheary. They need to get quicker and need better scoring depth. They got he injury prone Cammy for 1m/1yr, they are looking to change their identity from the Sutter teams that were heavy and grind them out types of teams.

I don't know how i feel about Nick Shore, He only put up 17 points last season but I guess hes still young.

 

[Shady Machine]

What about something like this?

To LA:
Conor Sheary

To PGH:
Nick Shore + LA's 2nd in 2018.

He's 50% at faceoffs, solid skater, good hockey IQ, good hands and a playmaker, averages 1:17 for short handed time per game. He's also an RFA.

LA is fairly deep down the middle with Kopitar, Carter, Lewis, Dowd, and Shore. But they lack depth scoring on the wing outside of Toffoli and Pearson.


https://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/...ading-the-nhl-in-corsi-and-its-pretty-strange


I mean obviously I would love to get Kempe from them in addition to Shore, but I think LA would covet a guy like Sheary. They need to get quicker and need better scoring depth. They got he injury prone Cammy for 1m/1yr, they are looking to change their identity from the Sutter teams that were heavy and grind them out types of teams.

Why does Pittsburgh want to trade Sheary for a center that has 34 points in 172 games?

If you are going for a Shore, why not get Devin from Dallas? He's 2 years younger and far more productive.

 

[WayneSid9987]

Thats a no on Nick Shore.
The minimal points he did get was with most of his starts in the OZ.

 

[Extra Texture]

Thank you

Anyone who suggests adding a winger should receive a temporary ban

Tough crowd. I guess the idea of some cap breathing room has got me thinking irrationally.

But seriously, what are the chances of using some of that financial wiggle room on the 3C/4C issue? People have mentioned Jussi before, but I dont know what he's looked like the past season or two, and wonder . Pirri? I thought he was a decent player in his Panther days, but if the Rangers are ditching him, not a great sign. I'm assuming in all this that Cullen isnt coming back.

I was gung ho with the idea of trying to swipe someone like Weal until he resigned with the Flyers. Just looking to find some decent recent buyout/reclamation youngster to fill one of those roles. But if Sheary is priced out of the lineup, I guess that is a ready-made trade chip we could use to fill the 3C vacancy.

 

[dasuc]

Why does Pittsburgh want to trade Sheary for a center that has 34 points in 172 games?

If you are going for a Shore, why not get Devin from Dallas? He's 2 years younger and far more productive.

I thought about that too and thought about trying to trade sheary for faska but DAL doesn't really have the cap space to do it.

 

[Peat]

Down the middle:

Crosby
Malkin
Shore
Shore

Nevermind coast to coast, we'd have shore to shore

 

[SherogoesHAM]

Why does Pittsburgh want to trade Sheary for a center that has 34 points in 172 games?

If you are going for a Shore, why not get Devin from Dallas? He's 2 years younger and far more productive.

Exactly. JR isn't going to trade for some wannabe especially for a high producing player. JR feels his players have a lot of value, and rightfully so.

 

[Peat]

Tough crowd. I guess the idea of some cap breathing room has got me thinking irrationally.

But seriously, what are the chances of using some of that financial wiggle room on the 3C/4C issue? People have mentioned Jussi before, but I dont know what he's looked like the past season or two, and wonder . Pirri? I thought he was a decent player in his Panther days, but if the Rangers are ditching him, not a great sign. I'm assuming in all this that Cullen isnt coming back.

I was gung ho with the idea of trying to swipe someone like Weal until he resigned with the Flyers. Just looking to find some decent recent buyout/reclamation youngster to fill one of those roles. But if Sheary is priced out of the lineup, I guess that is a ready-made trade chip we could use to fill the 3C vacancy.

Until we get a 3C, I don't consider us to have cap wriggle space.

 

[dasuc]

Tough crowd. I guess the idea of some cap breathing room has got me thinking irrationally.

But seriously, what are the chances of using some of that financial wiggle room on the 3C/4C issue? People have mentioned Jussi before, but I dont know what he's looked like the past season or two, and wonder . Pirri? I thought he was a decent player in his Panther days, but if the Rangers are ditching him, not a great sign. I'm assuming in all this that Cullen isnt coming back.

I was gung ho with the idea of trying to swipe someone like Weal until he resigned with the Flyers. Just looking to find some decent recent buyout/reclamation youngster to fill one of those roles. But if Sheary is priced out of the lineup, I guess that is a ready-made trade chip we could use to fill the 3C vacancy.

Jussi and Pirri I don't think are skilled enough for the pens to sign them.
With regards to Cullen, my belief is that he wants to retire but if the pens NEED him he will come back.
And Sheary is 100% gone IMO if the arbitrator gives him more than 3.3mil.... hopefully for a 3C.

 

[ncm7772]

It's the Pens. They'll see the NHL when 4 defensemen go down at once.

I chuckle, but unfortunately you're right.

It's way too much unless it's a guy who would be a 3C here and at least a 2C elsewhere.

Yeah. Way too much.

That would be perfect for Dumoulin. Offer him 3mil per and extend it out to 5-6yrs.

Too high for Sheary though. Package him for a 3C at that price.

Agreed and agreed. However, I'm sure other teams will think the same about Sheary's contract.

 

[Steel Winning]

Pageau also filed for arbitration. Doubt they move him but worth keeping an eye on.

 

[ncm7772]

Schultz showed you how it's done from an RFA standpoint. That's how you do it. Take a show me contract (maybe not as low as he did) and go get paid.

Bones showed ya how to cash in, too. But trying to fight over 1m in RFA is silly. If you get moved to a **** team, you aren't going to do the same things you do with Sid. Just won't happen.

Agreed and agreed.

Sheary at 4 million sounds awful. Probably why we haven't found a third center yet.

I don't blame Sheary for wanting that. He's an undrafted guy that broke through. He has 2 rings after 2 good seasons. Time to get paid. But... we can't afford to pay all these premium prices to all of our UFAs in the same position. So.... Bye, Felicia.

Bye, Felicia

Tough crowd. .

LMAO, it is! Unless you propose a package deal that looks similar to this;

-Pens give up Hagelin and a pick
-Pens get enormous return of a 3C who's a 2C on a different team

People lambast your opinion. Hence why I haven't really posted much ITT.