Salary Cap: Salary Cap Summer | The Hunt for 3C | Updated cap info in Post #1
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Empoleon8771
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Like you said, it completely depends on the return. I'd say no unless the Penguins are getting a really good 3C back.
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I still don't like Staal's price tag. I'd much prefer a guy like Haula. Only guy I'd want for more than 5 mil is Duchene.
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I typed out that proposal before seeing his cap hit... yeah, 6M is a bit much.
I kinda like Sheary as a trade piece though. Good value in hitting 23/30 in 61 games. But I know people will be turned off by his size and thinking he was a product of Sid though, also not too great in this year's playoffs.
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If we don't want to give up a ton and a big cap hit like Staal, yeah we will have to conpromise. So a solid guy won't necessarily check every box of criteria I mentioned.
Starting to think a younger guy with good upside may be our best bet. Proven commodities would cost too much.
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And cheap. I think if we trade a cheap winger/defenseman, we need to bring back a young (i.e. cheap) center. If we go after a Jordan Staal, as an example, we need to trade back a salary imho. We don't HAVE to, it just makes JR's job a lot easier after.
As for Wilson's value, I think if we packaged together Wilson and Archibald we could probably land a 4C and a pick (2 or 3).
Not a spectacular 4C, mind you.
Question, wouldn't a Jordan Staal for Patric Hornqvist trade make a ton of sense for both teams involved?
Same here. Both teams want D. I think Pouliot is expendable.
He may be a decent player someday, but it probably not be here.
Empoleon8771
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They obviously wouldn't want Pouliot for Staal, but I think Sheary could be a decent 1st piece. The issue is while Sprong would probably replace him, does Sprong play with Crosby? Because if not, you kinda run into an issue with how the lines shake up. Do you go with:
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Hagelin-Staal-Kessel
Wilson-4C-Reaves
I'm not super crazy about that forward group, mainly due to Rust being on the top line (I think he'd be there before Hornqvist would). If it would be Guentzel-Crosby-Hornqvist and Rust-Malkin-Sprong, I'd probably like it more.
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I'm not super crazy about that forward group, mainly due to Rust being on the top line (I think he'd be there before Hornqvist would). If it would be Guentzel-Crosby-Hornqvist and Rust-Malkin-Sprong, I'd probably like it more.
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I know you have to give to get, and we're well stocked at wing, but not so much stocked at the style of winger Horny is, right? I feel he brings an element our other wings don't and we'd miss that.
I wish Hags scored more or was healthy so maybe his playoff performance in '17 could have been more like his one in '16. I know he's someone important to the lineup with his speed/forechecking too, but we have lots of speedy wings and he is a big cap hit.
If Carolina is willing to retain some salary on J Staal, I'm all for it. I think a line with him and Horny could be a pain in the ass to face.
I'd be willing to give up a lot if they retain 33% (would be a cap hit of $4m for us).
I'd be willing to give up a lot if they retain 33% (would be a cap hit of $4m for us).
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They are not. Which is why it would cost more than Sheary to get him. Adding in spare parts doesn't really add up to anything in a deal for a guy like that, no matter how many you pile on.
Ogrezilla
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Hagelin is the guy that works best for us to trade, but I agree Sheary is the best option in terms of value and being somewhat expendable for getting in on a bigger acquisition. I think we're better off looking at the level of deal that can be worked around Hagelin and picks/depth guys though. Moving Sheary only makes sense to bring in a D upgrade I think. We just don't need a forward that would cost us Sheary.
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Am I the only one that believes that the Pens do not address the 3C until the trade deadline? They will at that point have a lot of cap space left, and only something like only 40% of the season left, they could take on a largish contract. And honestly they ain't missing the playoffs with the lineup as is. Unless Sakic suddenly becomes less stupid, I could see this playing out well into the season.
I'd like Staal back, but if we're going for a big fish, I'd go for Duchene 10 times out of 10 between the two. Duchene's a Hell of a lot more dynamic and fast, and would allow for pretty ridiculous scoring depth.
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That's a ridiculous amount of speed and skill up and down the lineup.
I think Duchene is the far better option out of Staal and Duchene, but they each have their pros and cons. Staal's better defensively and on the PK--which we need. Duchene's much better offensively, a better skater, and is probably a better fit in a speed-oriented system. They're both pretty good at faceoffs, so that's a wash. It really just comes down to price. If we can get either one for a relatively similar package, go Duchene every time. If Staal is a lot cheaper, go Staal.
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That's a ridiculous amount of speed and skill up and down the lineup.
I think Duchene is the far better option out of Staal and Duchene, but they each have their pros and cons. Staal's better defensively and on the PK--which we need. Duchene's much better offensively, a better skater, and is probably a better fit in a speed-oriented system. They're both pretty good at faceoffs, so that's a wash. It really just comes down to price. If we can get either one for a relatively similar package, go Duchene every time. If Staal is a lot cheaper, go Staal.
You guys are delusional. Pouliot has little value. A good 3C is going to cost us a good roster player and/or high draft picks. No one wants to part their young 3Cs if they think they are very good or going to be very good. We have no one in the pipeline and teams know this and we will not get a good return. It will cost us Maatta, a wing and/or a pick or two. JR would do very well if he could keep it to Sheary and a 1st without giving up Maatta, but I think any 3C with speed, upside, 40-50 points or potential for that is costing us Maatta because more teams want top-4 young d-men. That's the reality
Waiting until the deadline is a mistake. More teams will be buyers, prices will have gone up, leaves less time for the new guy to gel with this team and potential linemates.
I dunno. I think you have to get something done by October. I'm sure JR has his eye on several players, but is being pretty tight-lipped about it.
orby
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betting it would cost at LEAST sheary+2018 1st to get carolina to retain on staal, and likely more
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Ogrezilla
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If we do that, I would think we'll still bring in someone for now. Even if we expect them to be sitting or bumped to the 4th line later. But we really just don't have enough centers right now. Do we have 8 centers signed between the NHL and AHL?
If Cullen comes back, I could definitely see us going that route though. If he doesn't, maybe we sign a guy like Jokinen, Fisher, or Grigorenko to be 3C for now and bumped to 4C/wing/waived/traded come the deadline. But whether it's the 3C we actually want or just a placeholder, I doubt we go into the season as is.
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