Salary Cap: Salary Cap Summer | The Hunt for 3C | Updated cap info in Post #1

[Peat]

Okay. Lets say the idea is to grab a 3C who can really drive offence and let us roll like trolls all day long.

Boney N had a ppg of .46 last season. So, we want above that. Ideally a guy who can 50 a season (about .6 iirc)?

That would, based on last season, rule out Henrique, Spooner, RNH, and, I crap you not, Duchene. Obviously Duchene's better than that. Anyway, we're clearly looking for a damn fine centre.

Jordan Staal is the first guy .6 (okay, its .61 for 50). Not seeing anyone I expect to be traded in this range, although if Carolina did get Duchene (not sure how strong the rumours of them being in are), they've got three centres in this range, maybe one would be tradeable.

Above that... well, Bozak. Tyler Johnson? Hitchcock loses it and we get Spezza? Winnipeg get skittish about keeping Little?

I dunno. I feel Tampa and Toronto are the two places that have an obviously high end centre maybe going spare, Dallas at a stretch, Colorado obvs (just not at sane price), and... maybe Carolina after all.

edit: And people in trade forum do reckon Henrique's now on offer although I don't see how if I'm honest.

 

[Kasperi kapanen]

I feel like Duchene is JR's top priortity. That's prolly why it's taking longer than expected for a trade. Once Duchene gets traded wherever it may be (maybe to the Pens), then he will make a trade for his plan B unless he gets Duchene.

 

[Malkinstheman]

I feel like Duchene is JR's top priortity. That's prolly why it's taking longer than expected for a trade. Once Duchene gets traded wherever it may be (maybe to the Pens), then he will make a trade for his plan B unless he gets Duchene.

If that were the case, Sid and Geno would be retired and we might still not have a 3C.

 

[Riptide]

For ***** and giggles...

Pens trade Sheary, Pouliot, and a 2nd to VGK.
Pens get Haula and Schmidt.
Cullen re-signs for 1.5m/1yr.
Jagr comes back to the Pens for 3.5m/1yr.
Dumoulin re-signs for 3.75m/4yrs.
Schmidt signs for 2.5m/yr for 2yrs.
That gives us 500k in cap space if the Pens don't move one of Rowney or Kuhnhackl.

Guentzel, Crosby, Hornqvist
Hagelin, Malkin, Jagr
Rust, Haula, Kessel - Fastest line in the league?
Wilson, Cullen, Reaves

X-Kuhnhackl, Rowney

Maatta, Letang
Dumoulin, Schultz
Cole/Hunwick, Schmidt

Really, do we need Hunwick and Cole? I think this team is done with defensemen after the Hunwick thing unless he has a trade in mind and isn't revealing it.

Too much to give up to have one of those 3 as our 7th D.

 

[Peat]

So I asked on the Devils forum - Henrique is available but not on the cheap and they need defence and right wing.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

So I asked on the Devils forum - Henrique is available but not on the cheap and they need defence and right wing.

Will those posters tell Ray Shero for you or will we need to ask Craig Adams to relay the message?

How does this work?

 

[Riptide]

Someone the Pens should look at is Stajan from the Flames. He can play 3rd or 4th line, good two way player and is a good faceoff guy. Could be a cheap pickup since the Flames want to bring in some youth.

Only barely over 50% and that was only twice in the last 5 years. He's a marginal #3C - if he's even that, and isn't cheap at 3.125m.

 

[Peat]

Will those posters tell Ray Shero for you or will we need to ask Craig Adams to relay the message?

How does this work?

If I knew how things worked I wouldn't be posting here

 

[penzweiser]

Wonder if Vince Trocheck could be a target, we could be good trading partners with Florida and he'd fit the team well and provide some more youth. Say we move a guy like Hornqvist and add a plus, we then could have Spring step into that spot and roll:

Guentzel-Crosby-Sheary
Rust-Malkin-Kessel
Hagelin-Trocheck-Sprong
Wilson-Rowney-Reaves

I like the look of those lines.

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

Hornqvist just spent the playoffs proving how important he is to this team and now people are making trade proposals for him again already?

 

[WayneSid9987]

Really tough to gauge just who JR's initial 5 targets were/are outside of Duchene and maybe Eakin.

I don't believe for a second Haula is available.
He's much like Schmidt where McPhee wants him to play for LV.
Both Staal's, Teravainen, Bozak, Henrique. Pretty sure they'll all be staying put for this season.

But things certainly change as time goes on.
Theres probably a whole new slew of 3C's available by the time the TDL rolls around.

 

[Riptide]

So I asked on the Devils forum - Henrique is available but not on the cheap and they need defence and right wing.

Would anyone do Hornqvist for Henrique? Not even entirely sure NJ would.

 

[Riptide]

Hornqvist just spent the playoffs proving how important he is to this team and now people are making trade proposals for him again already?

Are you resigning Hornqvist to a 6x5.5m contract this summer? Because odds are he's going to get a decent raise and term - one only has to look at the contracts signed the last two years.

So if you're not going to resign him, don't you think it at least makes sense to discuss using him to fill a position of need? I don't want to move him, but for a quality center... yeah I'd discuss moving him.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

I feel like Duchene is JR's top priortity. That's prolly why it's taking longer than expected for a trade. Once Duchene gets traded wherever it may be (maybe to the Pens), then he will make a trade for his plan B unless he gets Duchene.

Funny, because I believe that JR has completely given up on Duchene already (which DK's friday insider report also suggested), which he should. Sakic is a madman. It seems to be a buyers market but Sakic thinks otherwise.

Now, I am usually against trading Maatta, and finding a replacement now can be tough, but a deal I have in mind makes me salivate. Since Shero needs D and has an overflow of C's, does anybody else think that we could do Maatta for Henrique close to straight up?

 

[PensPlz]

Hornqvist just spent the playoffs proving how important he is to this team and now people are making trade proposals for him again already?

Only reason to keep Hornqvist is if you truly believe we are going to threepeat.

Because I really don't think we extend him or resign him. Or at least we shouldn't.

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

Y'all need to learn the difference between resign and re-sign.

Trading guys because their contracts are expiring is literally for losers. Winning teams keep the guys that make their team better right now. Hornqvist is definitely one of those guys.

 

[PensPlz]

Posting on a phone takes a lot of effort to put the - in re-sign to make one anal person happy, especially when y'all know what it means without it.

Nothing says that Hornqvist's return wouldn't be good for now and also and later. But to not explore it seems pretty silly.

 

[Riptide]

Only reason to keep Hornqvist is if you truly believe we are going to threepeat.

Because I really don't think we extend him or resign him. Or at least we shouldn't.

It doesn't matter if you "truly believe" we're going to three peat or not. This is a contending team that has the roster (assuming we get a half decent #3C) to go deep into the playoffs. Need some bounces, but who in the East has a better chance then us to go deep? You do not move players for value just because there's a chance we might not defend our title.

Y'all need to learn the difference between resign and re-sign.

Did you know what was meant? Thought so.

Trading guys because their contracts are expiring is literally for losers. Winning teams keep the guys that make their team better right now. Hornqvist is definitely one of those guys.

Depends. If you're trading them (said expiring contract) solely for future value - then yes you're completely correct. Moving Hornqvist for futures is a terrible idea. However I haven't see that suggested. What I have seen suggested is potentially moving Hornqvist to fill another hole. Trading from a position of strength (RW) to address a position of weakness.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Rip, I think you're overestimating the raise Hornqvist will get. I don't expect him to get too much of one. The term will be the issue.

 

[orby]

Only reason to keep Hornqvist is if you truly believe we are going to threepeat.

Because I really don't think we extend him or resign him. Or at least we shouldn't.

I'm of two minds about keeping Hornqvist til his contract ends too, but i DO think that if there was ever a team poised to threepeat, it's this one.

 

[froods]

My theory is that Cullen has already agreed to return. When you listen to GMJR after the Sundqvist trade, he sounds very confident about our situation at center. Fast forward to July 1st, he talks about possibly waiting until in season to acquire a 3C and that Sully can make it work. I think we all agree that we can't go into the season without another center.

If you inject Cullen into our lineup, now we have someone who can play 3C with Rowney being our 4C. Not a situation you want to go into the playoffs with, but absolutely can make work for a while. Why not announce it? Cullen's salary will very much be determined by the Schultz (now complete), Dumo, and Sheary negotiations. They can't offer him a salary until they know what they have. Plus they still want to try to acquire a 3C at some point.

 

[PensandCaps]

I'd kill for Victor Rask from Carolina. Signed 2 mil cheaper than Staal, but will cost a hell of alot to get.

 

[froods]

Only reason to keep Hornqvist is if you truly believe we are going to threepeat.

Because I really don't think we extend him or resign him. Or at least we shouldn't.

Not picking in you, but wanted to comment on the the people who think we should punt because there is not a great chance we can 3peat. That is just an insane way of thinking. We just won two Stanley Cups and our core is still intact. Furthermore, we are getting a top 10 defenseman injected into our lineup next year. I think some of you are obsessed with roster management and not thinking rationaly.

 

[Gold Diamond]

If Cullen retires or leaves for another team, would you guys like it if Fehr was brought back? Not the greatest player, I know, but he can play a 3C role (preferably 4C) for this team in stretches.

 

[orby]

If Cullen retires or leaves for another team, would you guys like it if Fehr was brought back? Not the greatest player, I know, but he can play a 3C role (preferably 4C) for this team in stretches.

Fehr would be a fine 4C but i don't think he wants to play that role. If they could get him as a throw-in in a Bozak trade that'd be cool i guess?