Salary Cap: Salary Cap Summer | The Hunt for 3C | Updated cap info in Post #1

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BustaKapanen

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Fehr would be a fine 4C but i don't think he wants to play that role. If they could get him as a throw-in in a Bozak trade that'd be cool i guess?

Hey I'd like bozak too, but the Marleau signing just says they are in it to win it now. They are a bona-fide threat up front now. Yeah their d is alil lacking, however once they put lupul and Horton on ltir their cap problems disapear. Plus don't you have to be at the cap to maximize ltir,so they'll actually have room to add. With some decent movable assets that might not even make opening night roster,them adding a d isn't out of the question. Bozak helps them win this year, I can't see them trading him let alone to us imo.
 

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I'd be really happy with either Henrique or Bozak. I feel that Sprong could challenge Sheary for a roster spot and make him expendable.
 

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It goes without saying that Duchene is the best guy we could pick up, but that's a move that's very unlikely to happen. I'm more curious who else JR has targeted and what teams he's had conversations with. He's said all along he expects a lot of turnover this summer, between FA and trades, and that he was always looking to upgrade 3C via trade. Based on the balance of expendability and value, we're probably looking at guys like Maatta, Sheary, and maybe Hornqvist on the block as we try to fix the holes before next season.
 

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It goes without saying that Duchene is the best guy we could pick up, but that's a move that's very unlikely to happen. I'm more curious who else JR has targeted and what teams he's had conversations with. He's said all along he expects a lot of turnover this summer, between FA and trades, and that he was always looking to upgrade 3C via trade. Based on the balance of expendability and value, we're probably looking at guys like Maatta, Sheary, and maybe Hornqvist on the block as we try to fix the holes before next season.

Don't you dare imply pens could move sheary. His 6 goals in 45 playoff games are irreplaceable. We'd much rather move a rust,who got 13 in same span. Or even better hagelin who's an overpaid fata,all he has is speed on the 4check. Easily replaceable by Archibald. We're all about regular season 5v5 scoring round here. Trying to get that ever elusive president's trophy.
 

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If you trade Hornqvist our top 9 wingers become a lot weaker in terms of strength. Sheary, Guentzel, Kessel and Sprong in your top 9 starts to effect that balance which could be a problem in the playoffs. That leaves Hagelin and Rust as your stronger guys (Wilson can move up but he's a better 4th liner at this stage).
 

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GMJR about to really overpay for a meh 3C. He hasn't pulled the trigger yet even though everyone knows he would of liked to or figured out the 3C by now, that's telling me he doesn't like any of the deals.
 

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I'd be really happy with either Henrique or Bozak. I feel that Sprong could challenge Sheary for a roster spot and make him expendable.

Speaking of Sprong, for all of the articles about him breaking into the NHL next year, you have to think he has a serious shot at starting the year here. NHL.com just tweeted out another one, I think this is like the 5th one I've seen in the last week or two.



Honestly, for the 3C spot, I'd be content with going for a buy low young guy and then signing Jokinen to be an insurance policy in case that young guy struggles.
 

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GMJR about to really overpay for a meh 3C. He hasn't pulled the trigger yet even though everyone knows he would of liked to or figured out the 3C by now, that's telling me he doesn't like any of the deals.

I really doubt it. It would have happened Saturday. JR said that MS told him he can make due as long as his top 2 guys are healthy. That tells me that he would only panic trade for a 3C if Geno or Sid got hurt.
 

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For ***** and giggles...

Pens trade Sheary, Pouliot, and a 2nd to VGK.
Pens get Haula and Schmidt.
Cullen re-signs for 1.5m/1yr.
Jagr comes back to the Pens for 3.5m/1yr.
Dumoulin re-signs for 3.75m/4yrs.
Schmidt signs for 2.5m/yr for 2yrs.
That gives us 500k in cap space if the Pens don't move one of Rowney or Kuhnhackl.

Guentzel, Crosby, Hornqvist
Hagelin, Malkin, Jagr
Rust, Haula, Kessel - Fastest line in the league?
Wilson, Cullen, Reaves

X-Kuhnhackl, Rowney

Maatta, Letang
Dumoulin, Schultz
Cole/Hunwick, Schmidt

Really, do we need Hunwick and Cole? I think this team is done with defensemen after the Hunwick thing unless he has a trade in mind and isn't revealing it.

I see these lineups over and over and I simply shake my head. JR is telling u that Sprong and ZAR are going to be here next year. If you don't account for that, you simply aren't paying close enough attention.


I still think the Pens should try one of their talented young fowards at 3c. Rust, Jake, ZAR and Sprong all have some history at the position, what's the worst that could happen?
 

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If Cullen goes to Minny, what about getting Doan to anchor the 4th line?

Doan is mostly a RW now, I don't think he has played LW in about 6-7 years. And we have Reaves as RW4.

So no.


Hornqvist just spent the playoffs proving how important he is to this team and now people are making trade proposals for him again already?

Letang did not play a single minute in the playoffs, yet he is important too. Hornqvist played a vital role and he is important. Bonino played an important role, but will be replaced. And on and on and on.

It depends on what would be coming back in a Hornqvist trade.

I will say this again: how long can we keep Jake Guentzel OFF the first PP unit?

Sooner or later, Hornqvist becomes a bottom-six winger and second PP unit guy on this team.

His value, at that point, changes for us imo.


If Cullen retires or leaves for another team, would you guys like it if Fehr was brought back? Not the greatest player, I know, but he can play a 3C role (preferably 4C) for this team in stretches.

I don't want Fehr. We moved him because he was too expensive for what he provided, and was basically replaced by the cheaper Carter Rowney. We already have a Fehr in our organization, we don't need him back.


Krüger as 4C with 50% retained (1.5m). Decent?

No. I do not want Kruger for free. He provides nothing offensively.


Honestly, for the 3C spot, I'd be content with going for a buy low young guy and then signing Jokinen to be an insurance policy in case that young guy struggles.

I don't like Jokinen as a C at all, but I totally agree with your idea of buying low on a young guy.

Galchenyuk is the obvious for me, but also Teuvo Teravainen, Mark Jankowski in Calgary, Devin Shore in Dallas and NOW maybe Pavel Zacha in Jersey. If he is at all available, maybe we could package Pouliot and Hagelin for him? Maybe Ray Ray would bite.
 

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I really doubt it. It would have happened Saturday. JR said that MS told him he can make due as long as his top 2 guys are healthy. That tells me that he would only panic trade for a 3C if Geno or Sid got hurt.

If Pens have chance at cup they need to bring in another center, they don't have one on the team now good enough to play 3C on a cup winning team, even with 1 and 2 being as good as they are.
 

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I see these lineups over and over and I simply shake my head. JR is telling u that Sprong and ZAR are going to be here next year. If you don't account for that, you simply aren't paying close enough attention.


I still think the Pens should try one of their talented young fowards at 3c. Rust, Jake, ZAR and Sprong all have some history at the position, what's the worst that could happen?

Sprong and Aston-Reese are excellent prospects for our future, but they won't be handed anything and both could easily use a half-season in the AHL a la Guentzel.

We need to move out guys like Kuhnhackl, Wilson and/or Archibald as well. It's a numbers game right now on the wings.

We need to pay attention to that, too.
 

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Wilson is probably being traded this summer for the 3C, so I don't think the wing log jam is much of a problem. And even if he doesn't get moved out for a 3C, I think Kuhnhackl or someone like that gets traded for picks.
 

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To those fine folk who consistently watch WBS, how likely is Blueger to make the team if the center situation goes unresolved? From what I've read, it seems like he has a good skill-set for a bottom 6 center. Or does he need more seasoning in the minors?
 

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I'm on board for Jussi IF he comes at 1m or less and will take on responsibilities of a defensive 4th C with skill.
 

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Jussi at a deep discount would be a good signing especially since he can play wing too, which would be useful if Sheary or Wilson were moved for a better center
 

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I will say this again: how long can we keep Jake Guentzel OFF the first PP unit?

I would say until he signs extension (so at least next season, maybe the following one too). Do not want him to increase his cap hit even more :D
 

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I don't think Wilson lands us much of anything. Dude's probably worth like a 3rd round pick at best.

If we want a 3C worthy of a team with Cup aspirations, I think we're gonna have to part with something significant. That's why I am hoping JR can land Duchene, without trading Sprong. :laugh:
 

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I don't think Wilson lands us much of anything. Dude's probably worth like a 3rd round pick at best.

If we want a 3C worthy of a team with Cup aspirations, I think we're gonna have to part with something significant. That's why I am hoping JR can land Duchene, without trading Sprong. :laugh:

Beau Bennett brought back a 3rd when he put up 12 points in 33 games. Ryan Reaves and a 2nd yielded Sundqvist and a 1st. I really call BS on Wilson being valued as a "3rd round pick at best". You're lucky if a 3rd rounder gets to where Wilson is at.

Wilson is a young and cheap ~30 point 3rd liner with grit. He has decent value, maybe nothing extravagant but he does have value.
 

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I'd be really surprised if we landed anything of significance for Wilson, man. Especially a guy who can fit in and play 3C on this team. I'd be shocked.
 
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