Ogrezilla
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yeah we have ruined a ton of young forward talent lately. We would never let young kids like Guentzel or Sheary play big roles.
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In the context of why trade Kessel is one, the return on a deal you want. If there is not a deal that meets your needs, then fine. But I think GMJR needs to retool to some degree and Kessels cap hit is an impediment to that. For me Colorado will love to add that talent and will meet the Pens need of a 1st and say Timmons a RH young D man. That would be the kind of deal that benefits both. The Pens free up cap for a run at maybe Stone, and of course Duchene as GMJR certainly wants to bring him in. Plus you have Jake to sign at probably 5 per. Pens are not moving Sid, Geno, Murray, Letang so Kessel is the asset that can be moved.
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Ogrezilla
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Why move Kessel to fit Duchene? Kessel's cap hit after retention by toronto is a steal for us.
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Who'd be interested in Helm with cap retention? Can play center and LW. Still quick. Puts up double digit ES goals with 3rd line ice time.
Gives us another center if we keep Brassard at wing and one of Sheahan/Cullen start to struggle. Or another LW option if Simon can't hack it.
Plus it's insurance if Hagelin walks. Helms a year and a half older but with cap retention would be on a deal we wished Hagelin would take.
Gives us another center if we keep Brassard at wing and one of Sheahan/Cullen start to struggle. Or another LW option if Simon can't hack it.
Plus it's insurance if Hagelin walks. Helms a year and a half older but with cap retention would be on a deal we wished Hagelin would take.
Younger, more versatile, maybe a better fit, plus assets for moving Kessel. It's something I'd think hard about it depending on Kessel's return and Duchene signing here for a good price, *if* the likelihood of Duchene being a better fit was high.
Which is not so iron cast when he's at 9 ES points in 8 games.
Kessel trade talk should really wait for a little before resuming.
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Avs will be looking for a #2C so they might just sign Duchene themselves. He keeps in touch with the players regularly by reports and that’s where his wife’s from.
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He has a full NTC for this season. I’ve heard that a lot of guys with NTC’s don’t want to leave Detroit. Not sure they’d retain either.
I’d pass anyway. Don’t tie up money for a few years in a player like him this early in a season.
Yeah. I'm still hoping we have an internal replacement for Hagelin anyway, plus I'm very happy trusting Sheahan and Cullen without needing a guy like Helm there.
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I’m hoping we can afford to re sign Hagelin. He’s best attributes are still some of the best in the league. It’d be a downgrade in those areas.
We may have to move on. It’ll depend partly on the year he has too.
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Ogrezilla
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that's an awesome team if the salary cap is done away with. Don't see how we fit Duchene without moving salary though.
I get that. Me, I'm unsure whether I'd do it even if we could afford him - youth and hunger are good things. But I'm gonna wait and see.
Ogrezilla
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depending how things shake out, we may have room for both keeping someone and adding some hungry youth next season.
Absolutely. I think the question is which someones we keep and which hungry youths we add. For me, Hagelin and his absurd number of play off games out and Johnson in is arguably one of the most likely and desirable.
Sorry but the Pens cant add a 6 to 7 million AAV with needing to sign Jake and keep Kessel. As I posted he is the asset that is moveable that would offer the kind of return that brings back a need and frees cap space. If a deal is not to GMJR's liking, no harm no foul.
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If he still has them wheels then I am down. He's a guy i've wanted for a while but only at Det eating cap space. But I MUCH rather fix the D first. Less Maatta, more guys who fit our team better. Riikola can be here, then maybe try out Honka?
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On the flip side I would say Kessel is a need.
As a pen he averages 29 goals 46 assists (75 points) per 82 games. In the playoffs those stats are basically the same.
His last 2 seasons rank 1st and 3rd in our winger production in the last 15 years.
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If theres no life pumped into Sprong(looking very likely), Phil shouldn't go anywhere, imo.
If you need to shed money, let Brass walk, move a Rust with young guys of his type bubbling up from Wilkes.
Move an Olli/let Riikola take his spot. Give Hags the chance to stay but anything over a certain number, he walks too.
Phil would be very hard to replace.
The Hags/Rusts, much easier.
All my opinion of course.
If you need to shed money, let Brass walk, move a Rust with young guys of his type bubbling up from Wilkes.
Move an Olli/let Riikola take his spot. Give Hags the chance to stay but anything over a certain number, he walks too.
Phil would be very hard to replace.
The Hags/Rusts, much easier.
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Didn't know where else to toss this, but I have to give a shoutout to @Empoleon8771 for something non-Pens related...Alex DeBrincat.
I had a meeting with a client on Thursday night who wanted to talk future work at a local pub and I found out he was a Hawks fan. We had the waitress toss on the Rangers-Hawks game and Alex Debrincat definitely stood out. Client was excited about him and glad to have him and it was clear why.
I always remembered that name because I remember Emp talking about him as a potential draft pick in 2016 that would be good with Sid. We used the pick to get Phil, IIRC so no big but damn watching him made me sad we didn't pick him up. Not sure if we would have but that's irrelevant to be honest.
Anyway...off topic but...thought it was worth mentioning. Bonus, the client signed a two-year contract and that means I have to hire another employee to take on the work. It was tough rooting for the Hawks and reassuring him that Toews was still a great player...but it was worth it.
I had a meeting with a client on Thursday night who wanted to talk future work at a local pub and I found out he was a Hawks fan. We had the waitress toss on the Rangers-Hawks game and Alex Debrincat definitely stood out. Client was excited about him and glad to have him and it was clear why.
I always remembered that name because I remember Emp talking about him as a potential draft pick in 2016 that would be good with Sid. We used the pick to get Phil, IIRC so no big but damn watching him made me sad we didn't pick him up. Not sure if we would have but that's irrelevant to be honest.
Anyway...off topic but...thought it was worth mentioning. Bonus, the client signed a two-year contract and that means I have to hire another employee to take on the work. It was tough rooting for the Hawks and reassuring him that Toews was still a great player...but it was worth it.
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The positive is that Puljujarvi is waiver exempt, so that's good, but I'm not really that fond of trading a good prospect for a guy who has had struggles so far. I'd only want to buy low on Puljujarvi, he's not near that point yet.
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You can win plenty of regular season games with a dynamite line, PP and/or goaltending.
Chicago had back to back 1st round exits with the best line in the league. And I wouldn't put the Johansen line anywhere near the Panarin and Kane dynamic.
If their goal is to win a Cup, they're gonna need another guy who can score regularly on their 2nd line. And it ain't Turris.
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