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Ugene Magic

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Honour Over Glory said:
He is a right handed shot, was in our camp a few years back before he chose the Bolts over us. I can't remember much about him outside of him being massive on his skates.

My memory is foggy about his skating and his actual zone coverage.

Then again, if he falls to us in the waiver wire, he probably isn't any good.
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He skates well for his size and he was part of those really good Tampa teams. He would be somewhat a miss cast like Hagelin was for Anaheim. Having a couple big bodies who can skate in Oleksiak and Sustr couldn't hurt.

At 1.3 for this year isn't all that much for depth while Schultz is out.

Obviously being waived maybe they already tried shopping him.
 
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Not saying this will happen or I want it to happen but imagine another 90+ point season for Kessel? What would we realistically get for him at that point if we want to get younger. Don't think we would need to eat anything as 6.8M for a guy with back to back 90+ seasons is a steal. I'd want to fix the D the most.
 
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66-30-33 said:
Not saying this will happen or I want it to happen but imagine another 90+ point season for Kessel? What would we realistically get for him at that point if we want to get younger. Don't think we would need to eat anything as 6.8M for a guy with back to back 90+ seasons is a steal. I'd want to fix the D the most.
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more importantly, if Kessel has another 90 point season why the f*** would we even consider trading him? :laugh:
 
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66-30-33 said:
Not saying this will happen or I want it to happen but imagine another 90+ point season for Kessel? What would we realistically get for him at that point if we want to get younger. Don't think we would need to eat anything as 6.8M for a guy with back to back 90+ seasons is a steal. I'd want to fix the D the most.
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I would only do it if we won the cup this season.

Then you get a list of teams and just brutalize them with the return.
 
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Honour Over Glory said:
I would only do it if we won the cup this season.

Then you get a list of teams and just brutalize them with the return.
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It’s a short list. He gives 8 that’d he go to and some might not be able/want to take him.

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66-30-33 said:
Just for the sake of the thread and just to get younger too. I rather keep Kessel but only curious.
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The thing is, Kessel's contract runs through age 34, not 38 or 40. And though his point production will probably decrease, he will likely still be very productive on the power play, so his point totals won't drop all that much. And his cap hit stays at 6.8. Only 8.5% of our cap, and falling.

Kessel's deal is pretty much perfect for our window.

I mean, do people talk about trading him because he has had rumored issues with Sullivan, or because they think he's not worth his cap hit? Because neither is a reason to trade a talent like that.
 
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66-30-33 said:
Not saying this will happen or I want it to happen but imagine another 90+ point season for Kessel? What would we realistically get for him at that point if we want to get younger. Don't think we would need to eat anything as 6.8M for a guy with back to back 90+ seasons is a steal. I'd want to fix the D the most.
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Just sign Karlsson in the off-season. :sarcasm:
 
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Ugene Malkin said:
That's the kind of depth guy we should be looking at. He's relatively cheap on a one year deal. Not that I'd advocate sending Riikola down, but it really solidifies the D-corps.
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And who is he replacing? Because I'd keep Ruhwedel over him.
 
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Aiastelmon said:
I mean, do people talk about trading him because he has had rumored issues with Sullivan, or because they think he's not worth his cap hit? Because neither is a reason to trade a talent like that.
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I think it's based on overall fit. Kessel doesn't play with Crosby, and his fit with Malkin is okay at best, and isn't really something that brings out the best in either player. I mean if for example you could sign Stone as a FA in the summer to potentially provide a better overall fit to the top 6... wouldn't that be a better use of that cap space?

The biggest issue with this, is that the moment you start talking about signing a Kessel like player, instead of it costing us 6.8m, it's going to cost us 7.5-8.5m. Is getting someone who's different then Kessel worth adding a million or two to our cap? Because If Stone for example wants 8m... then okay, you can probably stomach it given the assets you'd get back for Kessel... but what if it's 8.5m or 9m? I mean at that point you're talking about the cap space that allows teams to have quality depth...
 

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biggest mistake pens would do is getting rid of sprong

give him ice on top 2 lines and pp time

minimu 60-68 points
 
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Riptide said:
I think it's based on overall fit. Kessel doesn't play with Crosby, and his fit with Malkin is okay at best, and isn't really something that brings out the best in either player. I mean if for example you could sign Stone as a FA in the summer to potentially provide a better overall fit to the top 6... wouldn't that be a better use of that cap space?

The biggest issue with this, is that the moment you start talking about signing a Kessel like player, instead of it costing us 6.8m, it's going to cost us 7.5-8.5m. Is getting someone who's different then Kessel worth adding a million or two to our cap? Because If Stone for example wants 8m... then okay, you can probably stomach it given the assets you'd get back for Kessel... but what if it's 8.5m or 9m? I mean at that point you're talking about the cap space that allows teams to have quality depth...
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Oh I don't know, I think Kessel's fit with Geno is underestimated. Those two playing together in OT last year earned us an extra 4 or 5 wins. And Geno's GF% with Kessel is really quite good. And then, of course, you've got the option of putting Kessel on his own line with a Sheahan, and instantly turning it into a significant threat.

I'm sure you could find a few theoreticals that might work if you sent out Kessel and signed somebody, but you've got no guarantee of fit at all there.

Really, I think Kessel is still underestimated because he's a little soff. Jesse did a nice writeup for the Athletic about Kessel's stats on entering the O zone with possession, and they're pretty eye-popping. He's right up there with Sid and Geno at the top of the league.
 
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Oh I don't know, I think Kessel's fit with Geno is underestimated. Those two playing together in OT last year earned us an extra 4 or 5 wins. And Geno's GF% with Kessel is really quite good. And then, of course, you've got the option of putting Kessel on his own line with a Sheahan, and instantly turning it into a significant threat.

I'm sure you could find a few theoreticals that might work if you sent out Kessel and signed somebody, but you've got no guarantee of fit at all there.

Really, I think Kessel is still underestimated because he's a little soff. Jesse did a nice writeup for the Athletic about Kessel's stats on entering the O zone with possession, and they're pretty eye-popping. He's right up there with Sid and Geno at the top of the league.
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Yeah and no on Kessel/Geno. There's times when they're both playing their strongest game and they look telepathically connected and its genuinely unstoppable, particularly when given a crapload of space.

But that's not the majority of the time. Nowhere near.

That said... if Kessel's reached 90 points here again at the end of this season, I bet our opinions on how much he fits here will have changed a lot.
 
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A. Don’t trade Kessel unless economics force you to... super high end scoring talent is a rare commodity

B. Im not really on the Brassard is a bust yet... I think he has shown more than he gets credit for and the goals will come...
I do feel he is best suited as a top 2 line center, and I like the idea that if Sid or geno miss anytime he is able to slide in...

C. This team is so loaded offensively that they often stunt players like sprong... its only a real issue if they want to get youngerand cheaper... which they probably should.... when injury voids happen we will se where he really is at...

D. I agree that Ruh should have slotted in for Shultz, but Riikola should stillbe in the lineup too...
 
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Then again, only 71 players scored over 60 points last year. Not sure Sprong would really be in that group this year.

I wanted 20goals or at least 40pts from Sprong this year. At least 20pts by New Year.

That ship has sailed, hit an iceberg (no pun intended), and is currently sinking.
 
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Yes, let's waste yet another prospect. For as much winning as this organization has, they are complete dolts with some of their decisions.

I'm starting to believe the narrative of the main boards that belittle the organization as getting holy lucky with Mario, Sid and Geno.
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I never said I'd trade him now. I'm saying that if the Penguins were to move him, you wouldn't get much for him.

Clearly the Penguins like Kessel, Hornqvist and Rust on the RW. That leaves out Sprong. Rust shouldn't have to play on his off-wing to make room for someone who frankly hasn't deserved it. Sprong hasn't been that impressive and while I'm not ready to give up on him, the Penguins are shortening their bench and practically playing 10 guys a night because Simon and Sprong have been pretty underwhelming. Then again, if they don't trust Sprong or Simon there's no use keeping them around.
 
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