Saginaw Spirit 2022-23 Off-Season Thread

[Kingpin794]

In the 3rd, Saginaw takes forward Carson Harmer. 20 and 20 in 33 games this year.

 

[bcspragu]

In the 3rd, Saginaw takes forward Carson Harmer. 20 and 20 in 33 games this year.

Harmers scouting reports Ive found sound like hes a Damien Giroux clone

 

[Kingpin794]

Really way too early guess at the line up after day 1 of the draft:

Misa-Sapovaliv-Loukas
Willis-Haight-Mangone
Gervais-Trade-Sima
Young-Stewart-Moore
Storch-Clouthier

Parekh-Trade
Mancini-Guo
Forgione-Import
Glavin

Oke
Fullerton

-Think only Young and Clouthier make line up
-Harmer plays down for a year
-McNamara and picks for D man
-Brown moved for a pick
-picks for OA F if Codd can’t go
-this is probably close to what they run with til Dec/Jan.

 

[Kingpin794]

Round 5 Saginaw takes two swings at NTDP kids with William Horcroff and Charlie Trethewey.

 

[Kingpin794]

Bordeaux’s kid is taken in round 8 to the surprise of NO ONE. At least he played with Horcorff and Thethewey this season so there’s that.

 

[Kingpin794]

Saginaw selected two defenseman in the U18 draft last night

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Maybe a couple options for 8th defenseman? Stubgen seemed to have had a decent brief stint in junior b.

 

[Steagle4Life]

Really way too early guess at the line up after day 1 of the draft:

Misa-Sapovaliv-Loukas
Willis-Haight-Mangone
Gervais-Trade-Sima
Young-Stewart-Moore
Storch-Clouthier

Parekh-Trade
Mancini-Guo
Forgione-Import
Glavin

Oke
Fullerton

-Think only Young and Clouthier make line up
-Harmer plays down for a year
-McNamara and picks for D man
-Brown moved for a pick
-picks for OA F if Codd can’t go
-this is probably close to what they run with til Dec/Jan.

Young is a scary pick in the first round, he obviously benefitted from riding shotgun with Roobroeck who was considered next behind Misa for exceptional status and he put up a mighty 51G 28A in 20GP. How much of that will translate with minimal minutes? He will get limited looks when players are away or injured. This team is gunning for a Mem cup run, and there ain't no room for a 16 trying to figure out the league during a Mem Cup run.

Cloutier will be signed because they have to and more likely reassigned to a Jr B team. He's listed at 5'9 which is a reach and most likely his max based on his brother who plays for the Soo. He's a project at best and not a player who can step in and score at this level.

 

[Steagle4Life]

This is what is gonna happen, if you aren't in the Mem Cup picture, you're on the trade block.

Loukus - Traded for 04' Fwd
Stewart + Lots of Picks - Traded for OA Fwd
McNamara / Glavin + Lots of Picks - Traded for OA Goalie
Codd / picks - Trade for 04' Fwd
Fullerton / picks - Trade for 04' Dman
Philips - Released pre Camp
Jovanovic - Traded for a player who's played hockey the last two years - 05' Dman

2023-24 Roster
Misa-Sapovaliv-OA Trade - Scoring line 1
Willis-Haight-Mangone - Scoring line 2
04' - 04' - 04' Via Trades / picks - Scoring line 3
Brown-Gervais-Sima - Shutdown Checking line (gotta play D to win a Championship)
Storch - Young

Parekh - 04' Import
Mancini - 04' Trade
Forgione-Guo
05' Dman

OA Goalie (Sarnia)
Oke

 

[Kingpin794]

This is what is gonna happen, if you aren't in the Mem Cup picture, you're on the trade block.

Loukus - Traded for 04' Fwd
Stewart + Lots of Picks - Traded for OA Fwd
McNamara / Glavin + Lots of Picks - Traded for OA Goalie
Codd / picks - Trade for 04' Fwd
Fullerton / picks - Trade for 04' Dman
Philips - Released pre Camp
Jovanovic - Traded for a player who's played hockey the last two years - 05' Dman

2023-24 Roster
Misa-Sapovaliv-OA Trade - Scoring line 1
Willis-Haight-Mangone - Scoring line 2
04' - 04' - 04' Via Trades / picks - Scoring line 3
Brown-Gervais-Sima - Shutdown Checking line (gotta play D to win a Championship)
Storch - Young

Parekh - 04' Import
Mancini - 04' Trade
Forgione-Guo
05' Dman

OA Goalie (Sarnia)
Oke

Your expectations for trade returns are super unrealistic.

-No one is giving you an 04 for an OA. Loukus is going to be PPG+ next season. Makes zero sense to move him. You want to bring in a different OA forward to what? Be a PPG+ player? Ok. We have that already.

-What’s the point of holding onto Oke if you bring in an OA goalie? Just move Oke since he’d hold move value. Oke will be just fine in net. Goalie isn’t super important as long as the team in front of them is great.

-Codd, if he is moved, won’t get a huge rutern. Think a couple 4ths. That won’t get you an 04 worth trading for.

-The market for Fullerton is likely not great. Again not going to net you anything of note.

-no one is taking Jovanovic. Especially not for a roster player.

 

[Steagle4Life]

Your expectations for trade returns are super unrealistic.

-No one is giving you an 04 for an OA. Loukus is going to be PPG+ next season. Makes zero sense to move him. You want to bring in a different OA forward to what? Be a PPG+ player? Ok. We have that already.

-What’s the point of holding onto Oke if you bring in an OA goalie? Just move Oke since he’d hold move value. Oke will be just fine in net. Goalie isn’t super important as long as the team in front of them is great.

-Codd, if he is moved, won’t get a huge rutern. Think a couple 4ths. That won’t get you an 04 worth trading for.

-The market for Fullerton is likely not great. Again not going to net you anything of note.
-no one is taking Jovanovic. Especially not for a roster player.

An OA forward should bring a lot more than a PPG if your going for a run, think Voit, think Maggio, Think Lombardi 100+ point OA's not PPG OA cuz your on the top line picking up 2nd assists like Loukus.

"Goalie isn't super important if you have a great team". The Sting don't beat the Spirit with without Goudreau, if they had Lennox in net they would have lost, you need a tendy and you need Depth.

Codd and 5 picks nets you a solid player, it's not really about Codd at that point, but moving the body

Fullerton plus a lot of pick gets you an adequate 3rd line 04'

You guys speak so highly of the enigma that is Jovanovic surely he'd fetch something wouldn't he??

I'm sure who's more unrealistic, my trade overvalue or your overvalue of their worth on the team.

This team is way more than 4 players away from a league or Mem Cup Championship, Drinks knows it and theres gonna be a fire sale soon.

 

[swoopster]

Of all the players you listed, what combination brings us an OA, 100 point player., or that top end OA goalie.

There are a scant few present players that could accomplish what you wish, and the Spirit won't move any of them.

 

[Kingpin794]

An OA forward should bring a lot more than a PPG if your going for a run, think Voit, think Maggio, Think Lombardi 100+ point OA's not PPG OA cuz your on the top line picking up 2nd assists like Loukus.

"Goalie isn't super important if you have a great team". The Sting don't beat the Spirit with without Goudreau, if they had Lennox in net they would have lost, you need a tendy and you need Depth.

Codd and 5 picks nets you a solid player, it's not really about Codd at that point, but moving the body

Fullerton plus a lot of pick gets you an adequate 3rd line 04'

You guys speak so highly of the enigma that is Jovanovic surely he'd fetch something wouldn't he??

I'm sure who's more unrealistic, my trade overvalue or your overvalue of their worth on the team.

This team is way more than 4 players away from a league or Mem Cup Championship, Drinks knows it and theres gonna be a fire sale soon.

-I think Loukus is a 70-80 pt guy next season. I don’t know why you think it’s a good idea to get rid of that.

-lol. That’s a take I guess re: Sarnia.

-I mean the five picks get you a great player not Codd.

-Again the picks get you the 04. Not Fullerton.

-I have never spoke highly of Jovanovic. He’s a write off to me. Hasn’t played in about 2 and a half years. That’s too much lost development time.

-are they going to add more than 4 players during the course of the entire season? Maybe. My original projection was for the roster come October and November. Probably see a move or two come December when the buyers/sellers line starts to show itself and we know who for sure is available.

 

[Steagle4Life]

Of all the players you listed, what combination brings us an OA, 100 point player., or that top end OA goalie.

There are a scant few present players that could accomplish what you wish, and the Spirit won't move any of them.

It's all about the how many picks - You saw the Mintykov Deal last year, the Wright Deal, Harrison deal. Picks, picks, Picks n your 1st, 2nd round 05' and 06's. The Other guys get moved for more picks to throw at more deals.

Drinks has fleeced many a GM and will continue the trend.

 

[Slap Shot Rick]

An OA forward should bring a lot more than a PPG if your going for a run, think Voit, think Maggio, Think Lombardi 100+ point OA's not PPG OA cuz your on the top line picking up 2nd assists like Loukus.

"Goalie isn't super important if you have a great team". The Sting don't beat the Spirit with without Goudreau, if they had Lennox in net they would have lost, you need a tendy and you need Depth.

Codd and 5 picks nets you a solid player, it's not really about Codd at that point, but moving the body

Fullerton plus a lot of pick gets you an adequate 3rd line 04'

You guys speak so highly of the enigma that is Jovanovic surely he'd fetch something wouldn't he??

I'm sure who's more unrealistic, my trade overvalue or your overvalue of their worth on the team.

This team is way more than 4 players away from a league or Mem Cup Championship, Drinks knows it and theres gonna be a fire sale soon.

Lombardi wasn't an OA this past season.

 

[Saggy]

Central scouting final rankings

https://cms.nhl.bamgrid.com/images/assets/binary/343615614/binary-file/file.pdf (NA skaters)

https://cms.nhl.bamgrid.com/images/assets/binary/343616178/binary-file/file.pdf (NA goalies)

McNamara-100
Willis-174 (!)
Mangone-214
Oke-29 among goalies

Look, I like McNamara. Give him more ice time and his numbers are probably better. But having him 74 spots higher than Willis is peak Central Scouting and their love affair with size.

Willis is substantially better

 

[Saggy]

So who are overagers next year? I woukd think Mancini and then I’m not too sure

 

[Savard18]

Lombari wasn't an OA this past season.

Neither was Voit.

 

[dirty12]

Then given your scenario, why does this 16th pick want to sign with Saginaw. What, maybe to be trade bait? Go talk to that players parents on that. Be very careful when you so blindly believe that you will magically bring it all together at the trade deadline. Go talk to Ottawa at this moment... 9 picks given up, down 1-3. Sometimes teams brought together at the trading deadline gel... sometimes they don't. I would prefer to make my trades early in the season to maintain continuity.

But... that's me, and that's you.

The ‘67s moved 5-2nds, 5-3rds, 5-4ths for a graduating import and an OA; ouch!
Building a real play-off contender will likely require the Spirit to exhaust all disposable prospects and future picks.

 

[EvenSteven]

Totally agree...if I were picking my team, I'd take Willis for sure over McNamara. Luke has all of the measurables like size and speed but if there were a prize for shooting the puck in the goalie's chest, he'd take first prize. I've wanted McNamara to be good but I just don't see it and if it was me, I'd package him in a nice deal next year to get him a change of scenery and help bring in a big name.

Piggybacking on what evenstevens said, how about this trade:

Brzustewicz
Rehkopf

for

McNamara
Brown
2nd
(2) 3rds

No clue if that's the right value but Kitchener would get a NHL drafted player, young prospect and some picks and we'd get 2 point per game guys.

For Brzustewicz, you’re looking at a Christian Kyrou type trade comparable give or take a pick. That deal was Kyrou for a 17 year old 3rd rounder + 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th. Considering that lopsided draft week Sag/Kit trade, you’ll likely have to send a little less Kitchener’s way to close the deal but the trade happening in the off season could cancel that out.

For Rehkopf, you’re looking at an Owen Beck trade comparable. You’d be getting 1.5 years of Rehkopf so the price goes up. The good thing about 1.5 years is that you could move him for big return after next year. Owen Beck went for a 16 year old 1st rounder, a 17 year old 2nd rounder, + 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

So assume perhaps Josh Glavin + 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th for Brzustewicz - if the deal happens in the off season meaning you’d have him for the whole season.

Then assume Aiden Young, Bode Stewart, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th for Rehkopf. Steep price. But not so much when you consider you’re getting him for 1.5 years.

 

[Kingpin794]

For Brzustewicz, you’re looking at a Christian Kyrou type trade comparable give or take a pick. That deal was Kyrou for a 17 year old 3rd rounder + 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th. Considering that lopsided draft week Sag/Kit trade, you’ll likely have to send a little less Kitchener’s way to close the deal but the trade happening in the off season could cancel that out.

For Rehkopf, you’re looking at an Owen Beck trade comparable. You’d be getting 1.5 years of Rehkopf so the price goes up. The good thing about 1.5 years is that you could move him for big return after next year. Owen Beck went for a 16 year old 1st rounder, a 17 year old 2nd rounder, + 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

So assume perhaps Josh Glavin + 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th for Brzustewicz - if the deal happens in the off season meaning you’d have him for the whole season.

Then assume Aiden Young, Bode Stewart, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th for Rehkopf. Steep price. But not so much when you consider you’re getting him for 1.5 years.

Yeah I’d be good with this. Because even in 24/25 you could have Misa, Rehhopf, Willis, Mangone, Gervais, and some other guy stepping up (Moore, Storch etc). Then you decide if you want to go again or retool.

 

[donjohnson]

For Brzustewicz, you’re looking at a Christian Kyrou type trade comparable give or take a pick. That deal was Kyrou for a 17 year old 3rd rounder + 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th. Considering that lopsided draft week Sag/Kit trade, you’ll likely have to send a little less Kitchener’s way to close the deal but the trade happening in the off season could cancel that out.

For Rehkopf, you’re looking at an Owen Beck trade comparable. You’d be getting 1.5 years of Rehkopf so the price goes up. The good thing about 1.5 years is that you could move him for big return after next year. Owen Beck went for a 16 year old 1st rounder, a 17 year old 2nd rounder, + 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

So assume perhaps Josh Glavin + 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th for Brzustewicz - if the deal happens in the off season meaning you’d have him for the whole season.

Then assume Aiden Young, Bode Stewart, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th for Rehkopf. Steep price. But not so much when you consider you’re getting him for 1.5 years.

Good thoughts...thanks. I don't think Bode Stewart is going to get moved because he was a teammate and (friend I believe) of Misa's so I think it's going to be a little like when we added DJ Busdeker because he was buddies with Blade Jenkins. Busdeker ended up being pretty solid and I believe he's now in the AHL so he did well for himself. I think Stewart has a much higher ceiling than Busdeker so I think you'll see him staying in Saginaw but you could sub him out with another young player in the trades you mentioned.

 

[Kingpin794]

Saginaw Spirit

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[Kingpin794]

No shocker here. Lived up to all the hype this season.

 

[Kingpin794]

First two picks signed.

 

[bcspragu]

First two picks signed.

Young tore it up during the 3 on 3 tourny today playing alongside Storch and Parekh.

Cloutier didnt score, but was absolutely relentless on the puck carrier defensively. Definitely ssomeone who can come in and play some 4th line this season.

Also during the 3 on 3 Cooper Boudreaux scored 2x with the same nice toe drag wrist shot snipe. Was a bit worried he was a nepotism pickup but he didnt look out of place at all.

Dont think Saginaw native Sammy Diblasi let in a goal either. Really looked like a young Lennox in net. Maybe not as high of a ceiling but could be a solid 3rd goalie this year as an affiliate player.

15th rounder Ferguson was as tiny as advertised. Can see what Drinkill ment by saying the skill is there size just the issue with him. He scored once and at one point flew up the wing and let off a Martin Frk style full cocked back slapshot from the circles. Kid has confidence at least lol