Confirmed with Link: Ryan Reaves to NYR for a 3rd

[Dijock94]

Yeah, but guys like Mark Messier still threw elbows. And Chris Chelios still did his thing to them, etc. etc.

That's the problem. Enforcers don't deter those guys. They square off and throw haymakers for 30 seconds to a minute with a fellow enforcer and then the game carries on.

Even years later, Claude Lemieux still goes after Draper, people still run the players, etc.

Don't get me wrong, the fights are fun. But a prevention it is not.

You think Tom Wilson would’ve rag dolled our entire team if we had Reaves on the ice ready to take his head off? I respectfully agree to disagree with you on this topic. Tons of superstars in the NHL will admit they feel more comfortable and play more free knowing they have that guy on their bench that can stand behind them.

 

[duhmetreE]

Yeah, but guys like Mark Messier still threw elbows. And Chris Chelios still did his thing to them, etc. etc.

That's the problem. Enforcers don't deter those guys. They square off and throw haymakers for 30 seconds to a minute with a fellow enforcer and then the game carries on.

Even years later, Claude Lemieux still goes after Draper, people still run the players, etc.

Don't get me wrong, the fights are fun. But a prevention it is not.

how can you quantify prevention?

 

[Number 9]

I think players like knowing someone has their back.

Whether that inherently means having an "enforcer" is a different matter.

I think we equate those two concepts to mean the same thing and I don't know that it does.

Fair point

 

[Machinehead]

I was against Reaves when I thought it was gonna be "change nothing and super glue Reaves to the same lineup." The Gorton special. Drury understands that jam means nothing unless it's on at least three lines. Diversity and depth.

Since we're not doing that, it's fine. Reaves is an NHL 4th liner. I actually like toughness when it can play in the NHL.

I wouldn't play him 82 games because I really like Hunt, but still, Blais-Rooney-Reaves is one of the better ones as far as 4th lines go. Blais-Rooney-Hunt would be right at the top.

 

[Thirty One]

how can you quantify prevention?

You're asking the person who says it doesn't exist how to quantify it?

How would you quantify it?

 

[duhmetreE]

You're asking the person who says it doesn't exist how to quantify it?

How would you quantify it?

We won't be bullied like we have been over the past season.

How did we look down the stretch? We shouldn't look like that again.

It's human nature. A bully bullies the weak and vulnerable. We were abused. We will no longer be abused.

 

[TominNC]

You think Tom Wilson would’ve rag dolled our entire team if we had Reaves on the ice ready to take his head off? I respectfully agree to disagree with you on this topic. Tons of superstars in the NHL will admit they feel more comfortable and play more free knowing they have that guy on their bench that can stand behind them.

Why would Reaves have been on the ice with Panarin?

 

[Machinehead]

I think the biggest thing people get "wrong" about the draft is that the difference between round 1 and round 2 is bigger than the difference between round 2 and round 7.

We gave up a 3rd but Vegas also gave us their 4th for Howden. Statically, they're almost the same pick.

We traded Howden for Reaves. If it all happened in one big trade, everyone would have loved it.

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[TominNC]

Fans are going to be surprised when Tom Wilson doesn’t give a crap about whether he might have to get beat up because his brain doesn’t t work that way.

He will snap and rag doll someone and sit in the box and get a suspension because he’s a degenerate who shouldn’t be in the league.

 

[Off Sides]

You think Tom Wilson would’ve rag dolled our entire team if we had Reaves on the ice ready to take his head off? I respectfully agree to disagree with you on this topic. Tons of superstars in the NHL will admit they feel more comfortable and play more free knowing they have that guy on their bench that can stand behind them.

Honestly, yeah I do think Wilson does that regardless.

I don't think he has the capacity or ability to lay off and worry about any possible future consequences when he is making split second rage based choices.

I think player comfortability is also somewhat of a double edged sword which sometimes leads to the players not wanting to take part in any "stand up for one another" in that moment because they feel like someone else will take care of that for them on his next shift.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I’m on vacation in California and just saw this.

Don’t like the player. I feel like its 2008 all over again. Typical Sather BS.

Makes us “tougher” sure, but takes a spot away from Barron

Such a dumb, reactionary move.

 

[Bob Richards]

Wilson has been throwing dirty hits his entire career. How come no other team's enforcers have successfully deterred him from doing so?

What magical powers does Ryan Reaves have that will make Tom Wilson say, "Oh wow I guess my actions have consequences and I should consider the wellbeing of those around me. Thank you, Ryan".

 

[Wtp99]

Sometimes I think people forget that a draft choice is a crap shoot
You probably are better off in this situation with a known commodity then reaching for the unknown, especially a third round. First or second round no way, but this was relatively cheap. How many third rounders actually make the team?
The draft choice will most likely be recouped in another trade

 

[Raspewtin]

You think Tom Wilson would’ve rag dolled our entire team if we had Reaves on the ice ready to take his head off? I respectfully agree to disagree with you on this topic. Tons of superstars in the NHL will admit they feel more comfortable and play more free knowing they have that guy on their bench that can stand behind them.

we were on the powerplay, reaves would not have been on the ice.

totally disregarding the fact that wilson is universally regarded as the scummiest player in the NHL and has a long history of doing worse than what he did to panarin.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Yeah, but guys like Mark Messier still threw elbows. And Chris Chelios still did his thing to them, etc. etc.

That's the problem. Enforcers don't deter those guys. They square off and throw haymakers for 30 seconds to a minute with a fellow enforcer and then the game carries on.

Even years later, Claude Lemieux still goes after Draper, people still run the players, etc.

Don't get me wrong, the fights are fun. But a prevention it is not.

I disagree though in the way that if it's done right it can be a deterrent, I've seen Reaves go after Backstrom before and thats the way you do it, you don't even have to fight him or anything but you make it clear if Wilson doesnt f off and leave Panarin alone he's coming for him. Its always the best way, if Washington's star players start feeling threatened or getting hurt they'll be telling Wilson to tone it down thenselves.

 

[RGY]

I am surprised this board has not burned down today over the 1 year extension

 

[Shesterkybomb]

we were on the powerplay, reaves would not have been on the ice.

totally disregarding the fact that wilson is universally regarded as the scummiest player in the NHL and has a long history of doing worse than what he did to panarin.

Yup and next shift Reaves rag dolls Backstrom....thats how its done, it would never happen again.

 

[Raspewtin]

Yup and next shift Reaves rag dolls Backstrom....thats how its done, it would never happen again.

Reaves has never been that kind of player. he's been clean basically his whole career. I think you'd be very disappointed expecting this from him, or 99% of players in the league.

Tom Wilson is unique. He's a sociopath and built like a linebacker. He's been in the league 8 years and consistently proves he's a bastard who doesn't have any respect for the game or rules. Wanting a guy to be like him is fruitless.

 

[Bob Richards]

Yup and next shift Reaves rag dolls Backstrom....thats how its done, it would never happen again.

So you're telling me the Wilson solution is apparently this simple? Then why hasn't it worked? Why's he still throwing dirty hits? The Rangers aren't the only team in the league.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

 

[egelband]

I think players like knowing someone has their back.

Whether that inherently means having an "enforcer" is a different matter.

I think we equate those two concepts to mean the same thing and I don't know that it does.

Exactly right. Team chemistry, leadership, toughness…these are not cut-and-dried concepts. I think Gorton did a lot of good things. But maybe the lockerroom didn’t develop as cohesively as it should have. Hopefully these moves help.

 

[NYR2007]

I feel like the people who don't like this move never played competitive hockey. Yes Reaves would not have been on the ice when that happened with Wilson but you better believe Reaves would have taken a run at Ovy or another star player from Washington. Washington was only few games away from playoffs. That aspect will stop Wilson from doing it or His team will pay the price for his antics

 

[Trueblue30]

Wilson has been throwing dirty hits his entire career. How come no other team's enforcers have successfully deterred him from doing so?

What magical powers does Ryan Reaves have that will make Tom Wilson say, "Oh wow I guess my actions have consequences and I should consider the wellbeing of those around me. Thank you, Ryan".

hopefully the power to end Wilson’s career permanently. Whether clean or dirty , I really don’t care

 

[Do you want ants]

Wilson has been throwing dirty hits his entire career. How come no other team's enforcers have successfully deterred him from doing so?

What magical powers does Ryan Reaves have that will make Tom Wilson say, "Oh wow I guess my actions have consequences and I should consider the wellbeing of those around me. Thank you, Ryan".

I 100% agree with you. The trade off for me is now someone like Reaves can square off with Wilson or go after other teams star players. If he gets suspended, oh well. It’s a significantly better trade off than potentially losing Trouba or Lindgren over retaliation.