VainGretzky
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Did you know he was tied with Matthews for goals and points and the same GP after last night? True story
Player Discussion Ryan Nugent-Hopkins: The Silent Beast
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Behind Enemy Lines
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To narrowcast on one element of this player's game misses the big picture of the broad contributions made to this team. He's also second in EV goals 4 back of a guy who's on almost a goal a game pace and 3 more than a two time fifty goal scorer.
Nugent Hopkins is a selfless player who checked his ego when two super elites emerged, the guy that gets bounced around the lineup including 2C with rotating wingers when this team chooses to run the McDavid Draisaitl stack. His production metrics (posted on here several times) reinforce ability to drive results away from the two super elites. A key cog on a top PP and regular on the PK. An all situational player who's nine coaches have all consistently heaped praise on the effectiveness and often subtlety in his game that gets missed by many fans. A big playoff under his belt including huge winner against the Flamers.
Woodcroft is the latest HC to praise this pretty understated player (and person), beginning at 11:05 mark for about a minute. Worth a watch:
A simple, effective plug and play guy who quietly goes about his business doing yeoman support work where needed and as called up to help this team win games. Not a perfect player but maybe a perfect team guy who does a lot in many areas to help win games.
Nugent Hopkins is a selfless player who checked his ego when two super elites emerged, the guy that gets bounced around the lineup including 2C with rotating wingers when this team chooses to run the McDavid Draisaitl stack. His production metrics (posted on here several times) reinforce ability to drive results away from the two super elites. A key cog on a top PP and regular on the PK. An all situational player who's nine coaches have all consistently heaped praise on the effectiveness and often subtlety in his game that gets missed by many fans. A big playoff under his belt including huge winner against the Flamers.
Woodcroft is the latest HC to praise this pretty understated player (and person), beginning at 11:05 mark for about a minute. Worth a watch:
A simple, effective plug and play guy who quietly goes about his business doing yeoman support work where needed and as called up to help this team win games. Not a perfect player but maybe a perfect team guy who does a lot in many areas to help win games.
Duke74
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First, it was Matthews vs. McDavid
Then, it was Matthews vs. Draisaitl
Now, it's Matthews vs. Nugent-Hopkins.
But don't let HF Leafs see this. Their board will be in shambles...oh wait, that's Marner's brain...
Nuge has hockey sense that few other players on this team have. Even when he's not providing offence his consistent 200 foot game is an asset on any team.
False. He's second on the team in EVG and tied for 10th in the league. Sliced.
The standards for Nuge are really bizarre on this forum. He's either on the ice with McD or Drai, or centering some of the worst winger depth in the league. Of course if you zoom into only the latter it will look worse.
Behind Enemy Lines
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Worth a watch. Good discussion about Nuge including his value on the PP including sure-handedness and accurate hard passes. When this team needs an adrenaline dart to the heart and rolls the super elites together, it's Nugent Hopkins who has to step into 2C duties with remnant, often rotating wingers.
A selfless player who's driving second line mojo with Janmark and now Yamamoto on the juggling right wing. Also some Bouchard Broberg discussion for other non-believers haha.
A selfless player who's driving second line mojo with Janmark and now Yamamoto on the juggling right wing. Also some Bouchard Broberg discussion for other non-believers haha.
McDNicks17
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Even strength isn't 5v5, my dude.
I don't really care about empty net production. That isn't going to help much in the playoffs.
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Behind Enemy Lines
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The confirmation bias element is fun when a usual segment will call out a puck battle loss and miss several smart plays and compete situations around it. The breadth of Nugent Hopkin's versatility and team first mentality takes on challenge in all facets of the game. He's currently humming along with a bottom six Janmark who lost a camp battle and rotating right wing with Yamamoto now drawing in the bingo chair.
AddyTheWrath
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This doesn't make sense. If he's around 14% when you're including ALL players (even the ones who've barely played and might have artificially inflated 5v5 scoring), wouldn't he be even higher if you removed those outliers?I sure hope he's around 14% when you're using a player pool that includes hundreds of players that have barely played 5 games haha. Brett Kulak is in the top 24% of the league in 5v5 scoring. Looks like we've got another offensive dynamo back there.
Try running those numbers again with forwards that actually have a similar amount of ice time as Nuge.
Seems a bit disingenuous to only include forwards within 100 minutes of his ice time, when a) we know that production isn't proportional to ice time and b) his usage might vary vastly from those in your smaller, more restricted sample size.
McDNicks17
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You'd be including a bunch of players with 0 points in like 2 games played. so he'd be much lower if you removed them.
AddyTheWrath
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But we're talking about RNH as a 5v5 player in relation to the rest of the league, not relative to players who play the same amount of time as him (and when you say 55%, is that compared to peers with the same EV ice time?).
Regardless, you're essentially just comparing him to other top line players if you limit the sample size.
McDNicks17
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That was basically my point. Comparing him to other top6 players makes more sense than everyone who has played this season including guys that have played like 5 minutes of ice time.
KeithIsActuallyBad
SPEEN!
AddyTheWrath
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I mean if you’re saying he’s right around average for 5v5 production for a top 6 forward, that is basically equivalent to elite 2nd line player production at evens.
No one is saying RNH is one of the best 5v5 drivers in the league, just that he’s been good at 5v5 this year, which the above exemplifies.
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KeithIsActuallyBad
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Absolutely crushed it tonight. Easily the best player on the ice.
Absolute line driver tonight. I'm surprised he seems to be producing with whoever he plays with. Seems to have instant chemistry with Janmark and Kostin.
Thought it'd be interesting to take a look back to the pre-2011 predictions for RNH.
Some say he didn't live up to expectation. I think he is right there. Besides, the nubile Nuge is just getting his man-strength now.
Justin Welton got most of this right: NHL Draft 2011: 10 Reasons Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Will Go First
No 2: Edmonton Oilers Need Play-Makers - in context of goals for and PP
No 3: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Is a Play-Maker - "His unbelievable vision mixes perfectly with his high hockey IQ"
No 4: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Has Great Vision - "most complete player on the board", "He makes everybody around him a better hockey player. Creating two lines..."
No 5: Depth at Center
No 6: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Could Help Taylor Hall - "They could increase their power-play"
No 8: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Could Also Play Right Wing
Some say he didn't live up to expectation. I think he is right there. Besides, the nubile Nuge is just getting his man-strength now.
Justin Welton got most of this right: NHL Draft 2011: 10 Reasons Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Will Go First
No 2: Edmonton Oilers Need Play-Makers - in context of goals for and PP
No 3: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Is a Play-Maker - "His unbelievable vision mixes perfectly with his high hockey IQ"
No 4: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Has Great Vision - "most complete player on the board", "He makes everybody around him a better hockey player. Creating two lines..."
No 5: Depth at Center
No 6: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Could Help Taylor Hall - "They could increase their power-play"
No 8: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Could Also Play Right Wing
joestevens29
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Honestly he's been doing this for so long.
It's funny we always worry about who Connor has to play with yet this grizzled old vet that looks like he's 18 is doing it with anyone.
I haven't read the below, but Gregor and Struds were talking about how RNH is doing so much better this year offensively. Was an interesting listen.
Game Notes Oilers @ Stars: Why Is Nugent-Hopkins Scoring More
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is off to the best start of his 12-year career. He...
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I doubt it. A lot of times these awards are based on historical crap. With the writers voting on this one I don't see him winning the Selke unless he has like 2-3 solid years like this.
While I don't mind it the fact that he doesn't get much attention out there really shows that people just aren't watching this guy enough yet. Which is fine by me. Let teams always be focused on the Connors or Leons
The Oilers really scored with getting these two guys in their late 20s who are getting better every year locked up at around $10m combined in Hyman and Nuge. They would probably get $14-15m combined on the open market if they tested free agency. It sort of offsets the Nurse overpayment.
Garbo Man
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Bergeron's name is basically pre-written on it every yearHonestly he's been doing this for so long.
It's funny we always worry about who Connor has to play with yet this grizzled old vet that looks like he's 18 is doing it with anyone.
I haven't read the below, but Gregor and Struds were talking about how RNH is doing so much better this year offensively. Was an interesting listen.
Game Notes Oilers @ Stars: Why Is Nugent-Hopkins Scoring More
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is off to the best start of his 12-year career. He...
I doubt it. A lot of times these awards are based on historical crap. With the writers voting on this one I don't see him winning the Selke unless he has like 2-3 solid years like this.
While I don't mind it the fact that he doesn't get much attention out there really shows that people just aren't watching this guy enough yet. Which is fine by me. Let teams always be focused on the Connors or Leons
He likes playing a heavy cycle game. As long as he has the support to do it.
Pass the Saitl Sauce
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Nuge is currently the third highest scoring first overall pick after Mcdavid and Crosby this season
