McLeod pushing up the lineup is what enables us to run McDrai together or move RNH to the wing, don't get it twisted.
Clearly you are not aware, and I don't think you are the authority to claim who thinks what of McLeod. your history of player evaluation isn't strong enough to speak for anyone but yourself. But keep on moving the goalposts, only count pace with your own players and discredit anyone who you don't know anything about. Seems to be working out well for you.
If you recall the earlier posts in the discussion, it was a top 4 D for a 3C and other parts as a package. Stop twisting people's arguments. Nobody is expecting to fix our top 4 D issue with only Ryan McLeod heading out the other way.
How is that an "ouch"? He's always projected as a 3rd line defensive player, he has scored 21 points as a 4th liner 2 years ago, and 23 in 57 games in a mix of 3rd and 4th line duty last year. It might be ouch if he was expected to be a 70+ point player every year, but this is a guy who is going to be a defensive specialist, and the best we can expect from him has always been depth player numbers. 22 points per year in a depth players first two full seasons isn't bad at all. Expectations just need to be kept in check as to what he is.
Mcleod is pacing for 0 pts. Is that moving the goalposts? You know, using pace to determine the value of a player.
None of these other parts have ever been identified, I'm strictly commenting on the players that have been mentioned and that other dude thinks McLeod alone is easily worth more than Casey. So if you'd like to discuss a deal for a top 4 D, I'll happily discuss it with you.
It's being pretty selective when you consider sample size, the fact he didn't play in training camp due to injury, and the fact that the entire team decided to not show up until yesterday. No GM cares about an 8 game sample size either.
Worth is different to different parties. Casey's value to Edmonton isn't very much, as our GM has clearly shown he is trying to win now and is okay moving prospects out if it helps us today. So trading a good player for a prospect that won't contribute for a couple of years, and has some questions due to his size, isn't something the Oilers would do, regardless of this mythological "value". It's not like prospects have a dollar amount assigned to them based on their university stats and draft position, teams have to actually want the player, and in this case, I can't see a lot of NHL teams trading contributing players from their lineup for the prospect. Most teams don't want to dump players for prospects unless the GM dislikes the player or they have an overabundance of that type of player. That isn't the case here, so treating McLeod like a dump doesn't make sense either.
No offense meant to McLeod, but if Fitz offered Casey to Edmonton for McLeod he'd be on the next plane to New Jersey.
He wouldn't. Only rebuilding teams give up contributing players for prospects with question marks. I agree NJ makes no sense in this discussion though.
No GM cares about a crap 3C / 4C. Especially one at 2.1M.
You're wrong, but that fine. At least I hope you're wrong, Holland isn't silly enough to only be looking at the current year is he?
You said he's worth more than a mid-tier prospect and were talking about Casey when you did it.
I think this is a rare case of both sides losing an argument. McLeod isn’t good, but he also isn’t bad
They were two separate thoughts, but sure. As your third-best D prospect, Casey represented the peak of the value we could maybe get (since the guy I was responding to didn't bother to list any players) but you've since clarified by offering a three wheeled shopping cart, so clearly we're miles off in terms of what an acceptable offer would be.
There are 3 players picked after him with more points. He was also the 40th pick and is 20th in his draft in total points while being primarily a defensive center. Hence the "ouch" part may not be so well deserved.
Oilers no make playoffs next two years = Oilers lose McDavid + Draisaitl
There are five times as many players picked before him that have fewer points than players picked after him that have more.
Is Slafkovsky a crap player too? 1 pt in 8 games with horrible underlying metrics. Looking to be the biggest 1st overall bust of all time, worse than Yakupov even
.your assessment is wrong
Fair enough, if I misunderstood your intentions that’s on me and I’ll own it.
I actually wish you were right and the idea of a high end prospect was appealing to us, but with 2 years left with Draisaitl and three with McDavid, winning now is absolutely everything. I don't think you'll see the Oilers make a move not geared toward winning right f***in now for some time - at very least not before Draisaitl tells us he's not re-signing.
2018 is a long time ago now. Most the guys behind him won't even make the NHL at this point.
