You have no idea how long i stared at that chart thinking "this doesn't look right at all" before realising the shots against axis was inverted
Player Discussion Ryan McDonagh
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You have no idea how long i stared at that chart thinking "this doesn't look right at all" before realising the shots against axis was inverted
BlueshirtBlitz
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He was fine with Klein. He was fine most of the time he wasn't with G this season.
Break up the pairing and McD will be much better. I'll make a dang avatar bet or whatever you crazy kids do.
McD looked pretty excellent tonight, huh?
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mrhockey193195
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Similar to Girardi prior to his injury, it just feels like McDonagh is on the ice for every goal against.
He plays against the best players on the other team and on the PK. His partners are having a really tough time. I am happy with his play. He makes many strong plays every night; and mistakes now and then. But his escapability is still awesome. Last night Staal lost the puck in his feet, it squirted out off of Moore's skate to Perry who beat Hank to his non existent glove hand. On the second goal, he could have closed quicker on Rakell but again I disagree with many here, Hank could have stopped that shot if his glove were better. He missed both goals by a mile.
Ryan McDonagh is the least of this team's issues because he is their best skater night after night.
mrhockey193195
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Maybe I'm holding him to unrealistic expectations...but his play in 13-14 was some of the best by a Rangers defenseman not-named-Leetch I've ever seen. He just didn't make mistakes. He's been hit or miss this season - some games very good, most games okay (mostly good but with several brain farts), some games poor. It's a far cry from two seasons ago.
And I'm not willing to blame it exclusively on his partners. The whole d core on this team has struggled all year - and McDonagh is a part of that.
BlueshirtBlitz
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McD has definitely yet to consistently look like 13-14 McD, but he's so much better when not paired with Girardi.
I wonder when we stop blaming his partners for everything that happens. And as a top defenseman in this league and the captain, shouldn't you manage to cover some of the faults of a worse partner?
The way he played before he was made captain i thought he was the best defenseman in the league, but since then he has regressed so much i don't know what to think anymore. He has 1 good match among like 5 bad ones and he is hailed as "back" to his old form. We can blame all the injures, the captaincy, the pressure, everything... but to blame every partner he gets for his poor play, i think thats wrong.
The way he played before he was made captain i thought he was the best defenseman in the league, but since then he has regressed so much i don't know what to think anymore. He has 1 good match among like 5 bad ones and he is hailed as "back" to his old form. We can blame all the injures, the captaincy, the pressure, everything... but to blame every partner he gets for his poor play, i think thats wrong.
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BlueshirtBlitz
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He looks 10x better when he's not playing with Girardi.
He hasn't looked like he has in 13-14. It looks like we'll have to accept that.
haveandare
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It's not like they're baseless accusations, the stats bear out the point that Staal and G have a negative effect on their partners, whether it's McD or someone else.
Raspewtin
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But McDonaghs partners are also getting blamed for his brain dead turnovers which he's had a lot of this year. Don't get me wrong, Girardi absolutely makes McDonagh worse, but McDonagh has done plenty of dumb **** on his own.
I think it's just gonna have to come with the territory of him playing more offensively. I feel like before 2013-2014, when he was mainly just considered a defensive beast, those ass turnovers were mostly nonexistent but it seems so long ago that I couldn't tell you anymore.
haveandare
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Yeah I don't disagree. I do suspect that some amount of it can be chalked up to knowing he has to cover for his partner in both ends, but I'm not under the opinion that this is peak McD just saddled with a bad partner - he makes some mistakes that are just on him no doubt.
I just think it's odd that people treat the idea of G and or Staal holding him back a bit as raw opinion when the numbers mostly back it up.
Raspewtin
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Girardi's very vocal fan club have been blatantly disregarding numbers the last three years lol. What would've changed?A lot of general issues going on with the Rangers defense in my opinion...
I don't think that the forwards have been helping out the D nearly enough and there are a LOT of breakdowns that result in great chances against that I don't think are on the defensemen, or at least all on the defensemen. I also think the Rangers sometimes do a really poor job helping out their D with outlet passes, forcing them to try to make really long difficult passes through opposing players instead of coming back and giving them shorter targets, especially when they're under pressure a bit.
The D isn't perfect but I think it has struggled recently a lot because the forwards are not doing their jobs very well and it's hanging the D out to dry.
As for McDonagh in particular...90% of the time he makes good plays and he's making plays no one else on the team can make and is trying to get things started or get things going, but occasionally forcing things too much (the "braindead turnovers") or has to keep trying to reset and make plays because his forwards and partner aren't helping. He also often tries to make plays that require his partner or forwards to be in position and they often aren't. So he either needs to stop that or his teammates need to get their **** together.
On top of that, Girardi and Staal have been poor this year and are next to useless in the defensive zone when it comes to helping him move the puck. They aren't even helping to get the puck to McDonagh so he can move it.
So...I think it boils down to McDonagh is good but he's not good enough to lift up a team that's struggling defensively. The poor defensive play in the past 10 games-ish is also dragging down McDonagh's game because honestly yeah like I said he's not good enough to bring everyone else up when they're playing poorly.
He needs help out there and the rest of the team is not helping anyone at all right now
I don't think that the forwards have been helping out the D nearly enough and there are a LOT of breakdowns that result in great chances against that I don't think are on the defensemen, or at least all on the defensemen. I also think the Rangers sometimes do a really poor job helping out their D with outlet passes, forcing them to try to make really long difficult passes through opposing players instead of coming back and giving them shorter targets, especially when they're under pressure a bit.
The D isn't perfect but I think it has struggled recently a lot because the forwards are not doing their jobs very well and it's hanging the D out to dry.
As for McDonagh in particular...90% of the time he makes good plays and he's making plays no one else on the team can make and is trying to get things started or get things going, but occasionally forcing things too much (the "braindead turnovers") or has to keep trying to reset and make plays because his forwards and partner aren't helping. He also often tries to make plays that require his partner or forwards to be in position and they often aren't. So he either needs to stop that or his teammates need to get their **** together.
On top of that, Girardi and Staal have been poor this year and are next to useless in the defensive zone when it comes to helping him move the puck. They aren't even helping to get the puck to McDonagh so he can move it.
So...I think it boils down to McDonagh is good but he's not good enough to lift up a team that's struggling defensively. The poor defensive play in the past 10 games-ish is also dragging down McDonagh's game because honestly yeah like I said he's not good enough to bring everyone else up when they're playing poorly.
He needs help out there and the rest of the team is not helping anyone at all right now
Give him a full summer to train and a season with a consistent partner and we'll see 13-14 McDonagh come back. between the mileage, the injuries, Girardi's decline, and the captaincy, I think we all just need to have some patience with McDonagh. He'll come around.
mrhockey193195
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Damn shame if he never reaches that level again. We were watching HOF-caliber play that season.
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BlueshirtBlitz
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Welp, I disagree. His transition play is much better when he has a partner who can help him out.
Lots of bad gaffes but when he's not trapped in his own zone he flourishes.
Jaromir Jagr
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Yup, very sad to see what has happened. I don't know if I can recall ever seeing a player his age regress so much from one season to another.
That was HOF-caliber play that season. I really thought he would get better also.
What I'd like to see in the second half after the obvious happens and Yandle gets traded since AV seems to find him useless is AV pair up McD with Big Mac (of course Big Mac must not be buried in the press box) when Girardi and Klein come back for this to happen.
I just don't think it'll be reasonable to expect his play to return to that form until he's able to get a full summer in training wise and can get started with some consistency. The summer of 14 it was short bc of the finals, and he gets the captaincy, then he gets injured early on. This summer he had the injury, as well as another deep run.
Just look at Stepan. Nobody seems to care that we got a lockout season of a dominant 1C, then a follow up of a great 1C, and since he's been a borderline 2C. Between holdouts and inconsistent linemates and injuries and just sheer games played, it's been difficult for thee players to develop consistency and return to form.
Just look at Stepan. Nobody seems to care that we got a lockout season of a dominant 1C, then a follow up of a great 1C, and since he's been a borderline 2C. Between holdouts and inconsistent linemates and injuries and just sheer games played, it's been difficult for thee players to develop consistency and return to form.
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