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Player Discussion Ryan McDonagh

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Girardi had nothing to do with the awful decisions he made on goals 2 & 3 last night. I unfortunately missed the rest of the game.

My point is this: McDonagh having a bad game seems to just turn into a reason to ***** about Girardi. McDonagh had a bad game all on his own. Girardi shouldn't be in the conversation. Or, we just shouldn't have individual player threads (something I actually believe).

McDonagh has been very inconsistent this year. I'd say it's about 70/30 good games to bad. His good games look significantly better than his good games last year, but he still has too many bad ones.
 
Tawnos said:
Girardi had nothing to do with the awful decisions he made on goals 2 & 3 last night. I unfortunately missed the rest of the game.

My point is this: McDonagh having a bad game seems to just turn into a reason to ***** about Girardi. McDonagh had a bad game all on his own. Girardi shouldn't be in the conversation. Or, we just shouldn't have individual player threads (something I actually believe).

McDonagh has been very inconsistent this year. I'd say it's about 70/30 good games to bad. His good games look significantly better than his good games last year, but he still has too many bad ones.
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It's not a coincidence that he goes back to looking like **** everytime he plays with G. He's plenty capable of looking like garbage by himself but Girardi just turns it into a dumpster fire.

It's not a chance to complain about G, it's trying to figure out how he can look so good one game and so bad the next. What's different? I don't think he looked as bad as he has with G once when paired with Klein.
 
BlueshirtBlitz said:
It's not a coincidence that he goes back to looking like **** everytime he plays with G. He's plenty capable of looking like garbage by himself but Girardi just turns it into a dumpster fire.

It's not a chance to complain about G, it's trying to figure out how he can look so good one game and so bad the next. What's different? I don't think he looked as bad as he has with G once when paired with Klein.
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He played like 5 games with Klein. I think McDonaghs issues are entirely independent of his partner. Last night, he failed to properly cover his man on the second goal. Either he made a mistake on who he was supposed cover or he did a bad job covering the guy he did go to. Then he made a poorly timed and executed pinch on the third goal. In both cases, his partner, regardless of who it was, did exactly what they were supposed to.

McDonagh has games where he makes those types of mistakes on multiple occasions. It really has nothing to do with G. And I'm not defending Gs play from last night. I'm just saying that if we're going to talk about McDonagh, let's talk about McDonagh.
 
Tawnos said:
He played like 5 games with Klein. I think McDonaghs issues are entirely independent of his partner. Last night, he failed to properly cover his man on the second goal. Either he made a mistake on who he was supposed cover or he did a bad job covering the guy he did go to. Then he made a poorly timed and executed pinch on the third goal. In both cases, his partner, regardless of who it was, did exactly what they were supposed to.

McDonagh has games where he makes those types of mistakes on multiple occasions. It really has nothing to do with G. And I'm not defending Gs play from last night. I'm just saying that if we're going to talk about McDonagh, let's talk about McDonagh.
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Agreed, I think some posters are letting McDonagh off the hook here. The ill-advised pinches have nothing to do with his partner (and one of them was committed when he was partnered with Boyle). Girardi had a bad game in his own right, but he wasn't responsible for the mistakes that McDonagh made.
 
OverTheCap said:
Agreed, I think some posters are letting McDonagh off the hook here. The ill-advised pinches have nothing to do with his partner (and one of them was committed when he was partnered with Boyle). Girardi had a bad game in his own right, but he wasn't responsible for the mistakes that McDonagh made.
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this is true... but doesn't it cross the diehard Girardi fans if he was that good, he would be able to pick McD up? Or are we finally accepting that he's incapable of playing in a top 4 role on this team?
 
It wasn't one game. McDonagh really is overrated on this board. By a lot. He is not a true number one d-man. Call it injuries or carrying Girardis corpse, what I do know is the guy is no shut down d-man. Proven fact.
 
I don't how I would "classify" him now, but he was absolutely a Top-15 defenseman in 2013-14. I thought he would be on a track for a Norris nomination at some point.
 
aufheben said:
No at this point McDonagh is making plenty of terrible decisions all on his own.
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Yes, no one doubts this and it's disappointing.

That bring said, outside of the first 3 games of the season McDonagh looked great until the last couple of weeks. He only really started sucking again after the Isles game, and he sucks the most when paired with Girardi by far.

It's not bailing out McD. It's seeing that our 25 year old team captain struggles ESPECIALLY mightily when he plays with Girardi. It's not enough to say McD sucks and be through with it, because if it is we won't win a cup before Hank declines. Something has to be done, and the easiest something to do is to permanently separate him from the player who has been proven to drag him down in the past even when he was playing elite hockey.
 
If you think McDonagh has been good most of the season, I don't know what to tell you. He's one half of the worst pair in hockey. To be on a pair that bad takes an effort from both guys, I don't care who your partner is.
 
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I really don't think there's anything individually wrong with McDonagh. I think all of his on-ice problems are mental errors because he plays as if he feels like he needs to play an accelerated and enhanced game to compensate for how bad Girardi has been. He's simply been doing little things wrong; a BIG example of this is seemingly pinching in at the wrong times. He probably understands how much he's been on his heels this season. When he makes that decision, it's so noticeable. In Edmonton, it cost us the game. McDonagh's only other GLARING mistake (for me) this season before last night was that terrible play that led to the shorthanded game-winner in Tampa Bay

I don't think the "C" got to him. I'd argue it did last year, but this year it's totally about his partner. He has a sub-40 CF% playing next to G and he's at 52% without him. Not re-signing Stralman and pairing him with McDonagh was a terrible oversight from this organization. McDonagh has been very effective on the PP, especially playing next to Yandle, and just by shooting more is a main reason why the unit has improved a lot this season. When he's on, like he was against Ottawa with three points and total shutdown play, he's a borderline top 10 defenseman. 30 games in is enough of a sample size to know what's working and what's not.

McDonagh-Girardi doesn't work anymore. McDoangh-Klein does. Theoretically, McDonagh-McIlrath probably would too, but Taker is so good next to Yandle that you can't make that move. We've seen a lot of bad McDonagh, and he's rightfully hammered, but we've seen enough good McDonagh shine through to know that even if he's playing terribly, he's not THE problem.
 
Machinehead said:
If you think McDonagh has been good most of the season, I don't know what to tell you. He's one half of the worst pair in hockey. To be on a pair that bad takes an effort from both guys, I don't care who your partner is.
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He was fine with Klein. He was fine most of the time he wasn't with G this season.

Break up the pairing and McD will be much better. I'll make a dang avatar bet or whatever you crazy kids do ;).
 
Machinehead said:
If you think McDonagh has been good most of the season, I don't know what to tell you. He's one half of the worst pair in hockey. To be on a pair that bad takes an effort from both guys, I don't care who your partner is.
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Didn't we just have that chart with the old ball and chain just a few days ago?
 
Girardi didn't make McDonagh make that pee wee pinch on the winning goal. He wasn't even on the ice.

A bad partner can affect your transition and your positioning just by being on the ice and being worthless. But a partner can't go inside your head. McDonagh is a dense ****ing moron and that's on him.
 
People are just besides themselves because we all thought McDonagh was a number 1 defenseman but he has been very average the past season and a half. Since we went to the Finals. I don't know if its injuries or dragging Girardis corpse or perhaps the C or we simply overrated him a little too much but he is not a 1 one defenseman.
 
BroadwayStorm said:
People are just besides themselves because we all thought McDonagh was a number 1 defenseman but he has been very average the past season and a half. Since we went to the Finals. I don't know if its injuries or dragging Girardis corpse or perhaps the C or we simply overrated him a little too much but he is not a 1 one defenseman.
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Yeah I think injuries have a lot to do with it. He's had a broken foot, and I think twice separated his shoulder in the 18 months since the finals, no?

Edit: Ferrence separated his shoulder before that finals I believe actually - spring of '14?
 
BroadwayStorm said:
People are just besides themselves because we all thought McDonagh was a number 1 defenseman but he has been very average the past season and a half. Since we went to the Finals. I don't know if its injuries or dragging Girardis corpse or perhaps the C or we simply overrated him a little too much but he is not a 1 one defenseman.
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Having a good partner helps a lot... Klein helped McD not drag weight
 
McDonagh and Kreider to the Jets for Myers, Ladd, Burmistrov and Petan and a 2nd rounder in 2017.
 
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