Ryan Johansen II (contract etc)

[NotWendell]

I say he'll wind up with a Bob like deal around 5.5 per. Couple that with a threatened trade to some potential #1 or 2 draft pick team and let's git 'er done.

That's what he deserves. He's had one really good year, like Bob. So give him the same contract as Bob.

 

[DJA]

Kane and Toews initial ask was reported as over $12 million per year. Were those bad faith, waste of time negotiations?

Stanley Cups and point-per-game career averages tend to give you a bit more leverage than a guy who had fewer career goals than Jared Boll entering last season.

You seriously can't understand the difference between the negotiations?

 

[Fro]

Perhaps I should have typed "an aggressively contrarian viewpoint."

I acknowledge that regression is a possibility albeit a very small one. BTW, for my purposes, if Johansen has 25 goals and 30 assists this coming season and plays good 2-way hockey, I wouldn't view that as regression.

I agree with that stance...

 

[spintheblackcircle]

The idea that a stud center should accept the first lowball offer hes given, and if he doesnt, the front office should then turn around and trade what just might be the best asset in franchise history....now that is delusional.

And you know that it's a lowball offer, how?

 

[Xoggz22]

So as I understand it the CBJ offered a 2 year deal and Joey balked calling it a slap in the face. I suspect there was no value tied to the two year deal at the initial offer. Then, Joey's agent comes back with "we're OK with a 2 year deal but here is our money request". Of course this is going to be high. The CBJ counters low so we have the "impasse".

I wonder is some of you understand the process of negotiation. You always start "high" because you can always come down. Both parties are trying to have control. Right now the control favors the club because of the CBA rules. After this contract the control becomes more balanced and even starts to shift to the player. Joey's camp is starting very high in salary because they don't have leverage on the term (not without an offer sheet signed). CBJ started "high" (high value = shorter term is the way I present this) with the term and now they are looking to control the money for the future contract.

I wouldn't be shocked if the CBJ offered $3.5MM per year and Joey asked for $6.5MM per year. This contract sets the bar for the potential long term deal that could be signed next if the 2 years go according to plan. I don't think the CBJ would have any problem with an 8 year $72MM contract like Subban got if Joey performs. #1C don't grow on trees so controlling him for as long as possible and through his prime is what this is about. Jarmo will not simply "give in" on the money and no, I don't think that's stupid. This is a negotiation, not personal. It's part of business.

 

[Fro]

totally understand how it works...i was just showing how depending where those numbers lay, is who we fans would look at as the problem. Did the CBJ lowball Joey or is Joey highballing? the CBJ...just as long as we don't do what the Rags did with Brass and Habs did with Subban...low low low, more than what's requested

 

[EspenK]

Perhaps I should have typed "an aggressively contrarian viewpoint."

I acknowledge that regression is a possibility albeit a very small one. BTW, for my purposes, if Johansen has 25 goals and 30 assists this coming season and plays good 2-way hockey, I wouldn't view that as regression.

Maybe not regression but not improvement either. So what is that worth if he is leveling off at the 55-60 pt level? And that is why the bridge makes sense. If he stays at that level what is his long term deal worth? 6 mill? I'm not sure he will take that.

On the other side of the coin, Jarmo seems to have a history of signing RFA's on the cheap. Not saying Cam, Calvert, Savard, Erixon, Prout deserve more but they sure didn't deserve any less. So maybe Jarmo is somewhere south of a realistic offer.

 

[Cash for Nash]

That's what he deserves. He's had one really good year, like Bob. So give him the same contract as Bob.

I think Jarmo will offer him 5.86MM to validate him being the highet paid C on the team.

 

[Forepar]

totally understand how it works...i was just showing how depending where those numbers lay, is who we fans would look at as the problem. Did the CBJ lowball Joey or is Joey highballing? the CBJ...just as long as we don't do what the Rags did with Brass and Habs did with Subban...low low low, more than what's requested

I don't see Joey or CBJ as "the problem." Neither camp is nearly as anxious nor assigning "blame" as to why no deal is done yet as we fans. It is a process, and a larger part of this process isn't the current bridge contract, but is about setting the table for negotiating the next contract.

It may be easier for me to accept that process - I negotiate business contracts and settlements in litigation for a living. But admittedly clients have more angst than I sometimes want to recognize. But most times with business clients there is little angst, more about the process and needing a deadline to spur a deal getting done.

What is great (and different) about sports, and hockey in particular, is that we fans all have angst at getting Joey signed - we take ownership of the process even with no true stake in the matter, other than our passion for our beloved CBJ to WIN.
Truth is that if there was a readily apparent number that both sides would be satisfied with from which to start the NEXT contract negotiation, that deal would have been done a few months ago, and there would be no need for agents (or attorneys like me in the business world, God forbid).

My take - in June/early July, there weren't that many comparable situations, with Joey's talent, age, but only one superb year after 2 years of growing pains, etc.... Thus the accpetance of the bridge concept. It appeared that progress was being made until the Brassard contract and Subban's situation threw monkey wrenches into value. Brassard's situation is different, no doubt, but Joey is already 2x the player Brassard is or ever will be (with apologies to Brass fans here), and Joey's play in playoffs showed more heart than Brassard (Joey got overshadowed in media by Dubi's and Jenner's play, but Joey was a stud most of playoffs). I wish, as does Joey and the FO, that Joey had brought it in earlier years, for his sake and the club's!). That doesn't mean I think Joey should get 6-8 years now, or be offered $5M or more at the beginning of negotiations for the current bridge contract, but the Brassard contract is hard for fans AND Joey's camp to ignore. I wouldn't have offered Brassard $2M; I know I am low-balling Brass, but he frustrated me beyond belief in Section 105. Plus, I think Brassard's contract is more a function of mis-managagment by NYR office than anything - their run to SC Finals was Lundvquist and defense-led, period.

We get nervous about the long-term relationship between player and club (and whether that might effect player's effort/performance) when negotiations are drawn out. That may have some bearing, but the relationships that matter most are Joey's relationships with his teammates and coaches, not the front office. You certainly don't want acrimony, but the best deals (sports and business) have give and take from both sides. And right now, without anyone here truly knowing what actual numbers are being put on the table, BOTH sides are simply posturing with the NEXT contract already in mind. Until shown otherwise I will assume that BOTH Joey and CBJ want a next contract and want that next contract to be "easier" - and if Joey performs on continued reasonable upward trajectory (not necessarily goals/points, but defensively and WINS), then the next contract will be easier, as then there will be more data (Joey's performance) and more comparable contracts to narrow the range. As long as bridge gets done as camp starts, I foresee no damage to relationships with teammates, coaches or FO.

Some are sold that Joey is the real deal and there is no chance for regression; if true, then long-term deal would be ok, but probably no more than $6M range. Personally, I'm not sold yet - I think he's the real deal, I WANT him to be the real deal, I'm just not sold enough to commit more $ than that long-term. And Joey's camp will want significantly more than $6M for a long-term deal, and the Brass/Subban contracts would support more than $6M for Joey IF IF IF he continues progression. Regardless of what I think, it appears that is FO's stance, and that Joey's camp has accepted the bridge concept. If the FO's need to see more data (performance) costs an extra $1-2M per year in the next contract, with the cap likely going up, then that's a cost I'm willing to pay for the certainty. Bridge will be for 2 years, $5-5.75M per is my guess, probably close to Bob's contract. Assuming Joey progresses as anticipated and team progresses, my guess is next contract is 6 additional years at $7.5M-$8M per, maybe extended after 1st year of bridge. I hope that Joey ultimately deserves more - would mean progression beyond projected and means team also beat projections (not the bandwagon projections of ECF this year, which I hope for but don't expect, but solid continued improvement toward CUP contender year after year). That's exactly the reason bridge ultimately made sense for both camps - Joey wants more $ for long term than any FO would be willing to pay today, but will be willing to pay if performance trajectory continues.

A bridge will get done. But it gives us something to post about, WITH PASSION, in the interim. Glad to see all the posts, don't be too hard on each other, we all share something - a passion that has boiled beneath the surface for a decade+, and which has erupted the past 2 seasons. On vaca this week, so sorry for taking extra time to read/post. Can't wait for the REAL games to begin.

 

[pete goegan]

I don't see Joey or CBJ as "the problem." Neither camp is nearly as anxious nor assigning "blame" as to why no deal is done yet as we fans. It is a process, and a larger part of this process isn't the current bridge contract, but is about setting the table for negotiating the next contract.

It may be easier for me to accept that process - I negotiate business contracts and settlements in litigation for a living. But admittedly clients have more angst than I sometimes want to recognize. But most times with business clients there is little angst, more about the process and needing a deadline to spur a deal getting done.

What is great (and different) about sports, and hockey in particular, is that we fans all have angst at getting Joey signed - we take ownership of the process even with no true stake in the matter, other than our passion for our beloved CBJ to WIN.
Truth is that if there was a readily apparent number that both sides would be satisfied with from which to start the NEXT contract negotiation, that deal would have been done a few months ago, and there would be no need for agents (or attorneys like me in the business world, God forbid).

My take - in June/early July, there weren't that many comparable situations, with Joey's talent, age, but only one superb year after 2 years of growing pains, etc.... Thus the accpetance of the bridge concept. It appeared that progress was being made until the Brassard contract and Subban's situation threw monkey wrenches into value. Brassard's situation is different, no doubt, but Joey is already 2x the player Brassard is or ever will be (with apologies to Brass fans here), and Joey's play in playoffs showed more heart than Brassard (Joey got overshadowed in media by Dubi's and Jenner's play, but Joey was a stud most of playoffs). I wish, as does Joey and the FO, that Joey had brought it in earlier years, for his sake and the club's!). That doesn't mean I think Joey should get 6-8 years now, or be offered $5M or more at the beginning of negotiations for the current bridge contract, but the Brassard contract is hard for fans AND Joey's camp to ignore. I wouldn't have offered Brassard $2M; I know I am low-balling Brass, but he frustrated me beyond belief in Section 105. Plus, I think Brassard's contract is more a function of mis-managagment by NYR office than anything - their run to SC Finals was Lundvquist and defense-led, period.

We get nervous about the long-term relationship between player and club (and whether that might effect player's effort/performance) when negotiations are drawn out. That may have some bearing, but the relationships that matter most are Joey's relationships with his teammates and coaches, not the front office. You certainly don't want acrimony, but the best deals (sports and business) have give and take from both sides. And right now, without anyone here truly knowing what actual numbers are being put on the table, BOTH sides are simply posturing with the NEXT contract already in mind. Until shown otherwise I will assume that BOTH Joey and CBJ want a next contract and want that next contract to be "easier" - and if Joey performs on continued reasonable upward trajectory (not necessarily goals/points, but defensively and WINS), then the next contract will be easier, as then there will be more data (Joey's performance) and more comparable contracts to narrow the range. As long as bridge gets done as camp starts, I foresee no damage to relationships with teammates, coaches or FO.

Some are sold that Joey is the real deal and there is no chance for regression; if true, then long-term deal would be ok, but probably no more than $6M range. Personally, I'm not sold yet - I think he's the real deal, I WANT him to be the real deal, I'm just not sold enough to commit more $ than that long-term. And Joey's camp will want significantly more than $6M for a long-term deal, and the Brass/Subban contracts would support more than $6M for Joey IF IF IF he continues progression. Regardless of what I think, it appears that is FO's stance, and that Joey's camp has accepted the bridge concept. If the FO's need to see more data (performance) costs an extra $1-2M per year in the next contract, with the cap likely going up, then that's a cost I'm willing to pay for the certainty. Bridge will be for 2 years, $5-5.75M per is my guess, probably close to Bob's contract. Assuming Joey progresses as anticipated and team progresses, my guess is next contract is 6 additional years at $7.5M-$8M per, maybe extended after 1st year of bridge. I hope that Joey ultimately deserves more - would mean progression beyond projected and means team also beat projections (not the bandwagon projections of ECF this year, which I hope for but don't expect, but solid continued improvement toward CUP contender year after year). That's exactly the reason bridge ultimately made sense for both camps - Joey wants more $ for long term than any FO would be willing to pay today, but will be willing to pay if performance trajectory continues.

A bridge will get done. But it gives us something to post about, WITH PASSION, in the interim. Glad to see all the posts, don't be too hard on each other, we all share something - a passion that has boiled beneath the surface for a decade+, and which has erupted the past 2 seasons. On vaca this week, so sorry for taking extra time to read/post. Can't wait for the REAL games to begin.

Good post, you should contribute more often!

 

[CBJRzeznik]

I don't see Joey or CBJ as "the problem." Neither camp is nearly as anxious nor assigning "blame" as to why no deal is done yet as we fans. It is a process, and a larger part of this process isn't the current bridge contract, but is about setting the table for negotiating the next contract.

It may be easier for me to accept that process - I negotiate business contracts and settlements in litigation for a living. But admittedly clients have more angst than I sometimes want to recognize. But most times with business clients there is little angst, more about the process and needing a deadline to spur a deal getting done.

What is great (and different) about sports, and hockey in particular, is that we fans all have angst at getting Joey signed - we take ownership of the process even with no true stake in the matter, other than our passion for our beloved CBJ to WIN.
Truth is that if there was a readily apparent number that both sides would be satisfied with from which to start the NEXT contract negotiation, that deal would have been done a few months ago, and there would be no need for agents (or attorneys like me in the business world, God forbid).

My take - in June/early July, there weren't that many comparable situations, with Joey's talent, age, but only one superb year after 2 years of growing pains, etc.... Thus the accpetance of the bridge concept. It appeared that progress was being made until the Brassard contract and Subban's situation threw monkey wrenches into value. Brassard's situation is different, no doubt, but Joey is already 2x the player Brassard is or ever will be (with apologies to Brass fans here), and Joey's play in playoffs showed more heart than Brassard (Joey got overshadowed in media by Dubi's and Jenner's play, but Joey was a stud most of playoffs). I wish, as does Joey and the FO, that Joey had brought it in earlier years, for his sake and the club's!). That doesn't mean I think Joey should get 6-8 years now, or be offered $5M or more at the beginning of negotiations for the current bridge contract, but the Brassard contract is hard for fans AND Joey's camp to ignore. I wouldn't have offered Brassard $2M; I know I am low-balling Brass, but he frustrated me beyond belief in Section 105. Plus, I think Brassard's contract is more a function of mis-managagment by NYR office than anything - their run to SC Finals was Lundvquist and defense-led, period.

We get nervous about the long-term relationship between player and club (and whether that might effect player's effort/performance) when negotiations are drawn out. That may have some bearing, but the relationships that matter most are Joey's relationships with his teammates and coaches, not the front office. You certainly don't want acrimony, but the best deals (sports and business) have give and take from both sides. And right now, without anyone here truly knowing what actual numbers are being put on the table, BOTH sides are simply posturing with the NEXT contract already in mind. Until shown otherwise I will assume that BOTH Joey and CBJ want a next contract and want that next contract to be "easier" - and if Joey performs on continued reasonable upward trajectory (not necessarily goals/points, but defensively and WINS), then the next contract will be easier, as then there will be more data (Joey's performance) and more comparable contracts to narrow the range. As long as bridge gets done as camp starts, I foresee no damage to relationships with teammates, coaches or FO.

Some are sold that Joey is the real deal and there is no chance for regression; if true, then long-term deal would be ok, but probably no more than $6M range. Personally, I'm not sold yet - I think he's the real deal, I WANT him to be the real deal, I'm just not sold enough to commit more $ than that long-term. And Joey's camp will want significantly more than $6M for a long-term deal, and the Brass/Subban contracts would support more than $6M for Joey IF IF IF he continues progression. Regardless of what I think, it appears that is FO's stance, and that Joey's camp has accepted the bridge concept. If the FO's need to see more data (performance) costs an extra $1-2M per year in the next contract, with the cap likely going up, then that's a cost I'm willing to pay for the certainty. Bridge will be for 2 years, $5-5.75M per is my guess, probably close to Bob's contract. Assuming Joey progresses as anticipated and team progresses, my guess is next contract is 6 additional years at $7.5M-$8M per, maybe extended after 1st year of bridge. I hope that Joey ultimately deserves more - would mean progression beyond projected and means team also beat projections (not the bandwagon projections of ECF this year, which I hope for but don't expect, but solid continued improvement toward CUP contender year after year). That's exactly the reason bridge ultimately made sense for both camps - Joey wants more $ for long term than any FO would be willing to pay today, but will be willing to pay if performance trajectory continues.

A bridge will get done. But it gives us something to post about, WITH PASSION, in the interim. Glad to see all the posts, don't be too hard on each other, we all share something - a passion that has boiled beneath the surface for a decade+, and which has erupted the past 2 seasons. On vaca this week, so sorry for taking extra time to read/post. Can't wait for the REAL games to begin.

Very insightful post...Thanks for contributing!

 

[BluejacketNut]

I dont see any smooth negotiations between these parties in the future. While theyre not showing their cards, theyre showing their style of negotiations

 

[Crede777]

this statement doesn't make any sense but even if it did, who are you to say what johansen knows and thinks? Not to mention making assumptions about his thought process throughout his ENTIRE hockey career? And what is this garbage about "bringing him back to reality?" I'm ashamed that after a dominant season and playoffs "fans" like you are slandering this kid for no reason other than his agent is doing his job.

Maybe you should consider moving to Florida to watch derek Mackenzie plug away into obscurity since you obviously dislike watching winning and scoring

That's not even my statement. It's a direct quote from John Davidson who states that not even Johansen knows how good he can be.

It's also taken from a direct quote from Johansen who, a year ago, was complaining that the coaches have too high of expectations for him. When he was benched in the minors at the end of last season, he openly stated that the coaches were expecting too much from him and wondered why they couldn't just be happy with what he was.

Back when he was drafted by Portland, he was planning on going to the NCAA and didn't see much of a chance for an NHL future. The Winterhawks had to talk him into going the CHL route.

Up until this season, Johansen has consistently been underrating his own potential. Now that he's reaching it, he seems to be overvaluing the effects of one good season. Bobrovsky didn't get paid like a Vezina winner, he got paid slightly less and even then his track record was more proven.

I'm a huge Ryan Johansen fan and even have a signed jersey of his, but even I am saying that the team is right in trying to get a "Let's See, Prove it to Me" bridge deal in place.

 

[db2011]

It doesn't seem terribly surprising, this far from camp, that the gap is 3 million.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

My take - in June/early July, there weren't that many comparable situations, with Joey's talent, age, but only one superb year after 2 years of growing pains, etc.... Thus the accpetance of the bridge concept. It appeared that progress was being made until the Brassard contract and Subban's situation threw monkey wrenches into value. Brassard's situation is different, no doubt, but Joey is already 2x the player Brassard is or ever will be (with apologies to Brass fans here), and Joey's play in playoffs showed more heart than Brassard (Joey got overshadowed in media by Dubi's and Jenner's play, but Joey was a stud most of playoffs). I wish, as does Joey and the FO, that Joey had brought it in earlier years, for his sake and the club's!). That doesn't mean I think Joey should get 6-8 years now, or be offered $5M or more at the beginning of negotiations for the current bridge contract, but the Brassard contract is hard for fans AND Joey's camp to ignore. I wouldn't have offered Brassard $2M; I know I am low-balling Brass, but he frustrated me beyond belief in Section 105. Plus, I think Brassard's contract is more a function of mis-managagment by NYR office than anything - their run to SC Finals was Lundvquist and defense-led, period.

We get nervous about the long-term relationship between player and club (and whether that might effect player's effort/performance) when negotiations are drawn out. That may have some bearing, but the relationships that matter most are Joey's relationships with his teammates and coaches, not the front office. You certainly don't want acrimony, but the best deals (sports and business) have give and take from both sides. And right now, without anyone here truly knowing what actual numbers are being put on the table, BOTH sides are simply posturing with the NEXT contract already in mind. Until shown otherwise I will assume that BOTH Joey and CBJ want a next contract and want that next contract to be "easier" - and if Joey performs on continued reasonable upward trajectory (not necessarily goals/points, but defensively and WINS), then the next contract will be easier, as then there will be more data (Joey's performance) and more comparable contracts to narrow the range. As long as bridge gets done as camp starts, I foresee no damage to relationships with teammates, coaches or FO.

Some are sold that Joey is the real deal and there is no chance for regression; if true, then long-term deal would be ok, but probably no more than $6M range. Personally, I'm not sold yet - I think he's the real deal, I WANT him to be the real deal, I'm just not sold enough to commit more $ than that long-term. And Joey's camp will want significantly more than $6M for a long-term deal, and the Brass/Subban contracts would support more than $6M for Joey IF IF IF he continues progression. Regardless of what I think, it appears that is FO's stance, and that Joey's camp has accepted the bridge concept. If the FO's need to see more data (performance) costs an extra $1-2M per year in the next contract, with the cap likely going up, then that's a cost I'm willing to pay for the certainty. Bridge will be for 2 years, $5-5.75M per is my guess, probably close to Bob's contract. Assuming Joey progresses as anticipated and team progresses, my guess is next contract is 6 additional years at $7.5M-$8M per, maybe extended after 1st year of bridge. I hope that Joey ultimately deserves more - would mean progression beyond projected and means team also beat projections (not the bandwagon projections of ECF this year, which I hope for but don't expect, but solid continued improvement toward CUP contender year after year). That's exactly the reason bridge ultimately made sense for both camps - Joey wants more $ for long term than any FO would be willing to pay today, but will be willing to pay if performance trajectory continues.

A bridge will get done. But it gives us something to post about, WITH PASSION, in the interim. Glad to see all the posts, don't be too hard on each other, we all share something - a passion that has boiled beneath the surface for a decade+, and which has erupted the past 2 seasons. On vaca this week, so sorry for taking extra time to read/post. Can't wait for the REAL games to begin.

Many very good points. Thanks for your contribution.

I agree very much with the bolded portion.

 

[pete goegan]

I dont see any smooth negotiations between these parties in the future. While theyre not showing their cards, theyre showing their style of negotiations

If Ryan performs as many here believe he will, over the next few years, I have no doubt the Jackets will be delighted to pay him what he will then be worth. Unless Johansen really does want to return home, as many Vancouver fans hope, I expect him to be delighted to accept the huge contract and sign with a smile. If he has competent representation, which I have no reason to believe he doesn't, he's being reminded that all of this is just part of the business and not to take it personally. The Subban situation has been mentioned frequently as a comparison, that actually went to an arbitration hearing in which he was sure to have heard about all his flaws as a player and how little the team thought he was worth. Still, he ended up signing for eight years and saying he'd have signed with Montreal for twenty, were it permitted! If a situation seemingly that contentious could be settled amicably, I see no reason this one will have lasting negative impact. Ultimately, if Ryan's stats are there, the dollars will be there to match. That will go a long way to assuage any hurt feelings!

 

[EspenK]

If Ryan performs as many here believe he will, over the next few years, I have no doubt the Jackets will be delighted to pay him what he will then be worth. Unless Johansen really does want to return home, as many Vancouver fans hope, I expect him to be delighted to accept the huge contract and sign with a smile. If he has competent representation, which I have no reason to believe he doesn't, he's being reminded that all of this is just part of the business and not to take it personally. The Subban situation has been mentioned frequently as a comparison, that actually went to an arbitration hearing in which he was sure to have heard about all his flaws as a player and how little the team thought he was worth. Still, he ended up signing for eight years and saying he'd have signed with Montreal for twenty, were it permitted! If a situation seemingly that contentious could be settled amicably, I see no reason this one will have lasting negative impact. Ultimately, if Ryan's stats are there, the dollars will be there to match. That will go a long way to assuage any hurt feelings!

I tend to agree. The only scenario I see where there could be problems is if he levels off in his production-say 55-65 points for the next two years. That isn't too say that is bad but rather could be a bone of contention if the Jackets say it's only worth 6 -6.5 long term and he has visions of 8+ or some similar scenario. Hopefully he continues an upward trend to the 70-80 point range and leads the Jackets deep into the playoffs. Then pay him what he wants.

 

[Dr. Fire]

Puck Daddy update:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...ndoff-with-columbus-over-money-172354516.html

 

[Nordique]

3 million per apart.

Enough posturing from both sides, 2 x 6.00

Ink that **** and let's get on with it.

 

[blahblah]

Sounds like both sides are off if we're still 3 million apart.

I'm not too concerned about the timing, there really isn't a rush. Obviously if this goes into camp it's an unneeded distraction.

Johansen will probably sign before hand at lower than he wants; but JK will probably have to come off his position a bit. Last thing we need is a completely disgruntled player. Johansen's side already came down off of term, they probably shouldn't low ball him on the money side as well.

 

[CentreKeeper12]

One must wonder what the CBJ are offering per year and what Joey's camp are asking for. My guess is the CBJ are in 3-5, but thats just a guess

 

[EspenK]

Sounds like both sides are off if we're still 3 million apart.

I'm not too concerned about the timing, there really isn't a rush. Obviously if this goes into camp it's an unneeded distraction.

Johansen will probably sign before hand at lower than he wants; but JK will probably have to come off his position a bit. Last thing we need is a completely disgruntled player. Johansen's side already came down off of term, they probably shouldn't low ball him on the money side as well.

I agree. No scenario 3mm apart makes sense.

3 & 6
4.5 & 7.5
3.5 & 6.5

Can't find any that are even close to what I think it will (and should) wind up at. If they're at 4 & 7 that's about the best we cna hope for as they move towards 5.5 per

 

[Jackets16]

If Ryan performs as many here believe he will, over the next few years, I have no doubt the Jackets will be delighted to pay him what he will then be worth. Unless Johansen really does want to return home, as many Vancouver fans hope, I expect him to be delighted to accept the huge contract and sign with a smile. If he has competent representation, which I have no reason to believe he doesn't, he's being reminded that all of this is just part of the business and not to take it personally. The Subban situation has been mentioned frequently as a comparison, that actually went to an arbitration hearing in which he was sure to have heard about all his flaws as a player and how little the team thought he was worth. Still, he ended up signing for eight years and saying he'd have signed with Montreal for twenty, were it permitted! If a situation seemingly that contentious could be settled amicably, I see no reason this one will have lasting negative impact. Ultimately, if Ryan's stats are there, the dollars will be there to match. That will go a long way to assuage any hurt feelings!

Very good post.

 

[Xoggz22]

$4.5-4.75 MM AAV for 2 years would be my target. Said that months ago and stand by it. Offer $4.25MM in year 1 and $5.25MM in year 2. That pushes the QO higher for the next contract and would set the bar for moving forward. He proves himself he gets big money.

This will be settled before camp and it's a business. Once settled we hear what all parties have to say and see how Ryan performs on the ice.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

One must wonder what the CBJ are offering per year and what Joey's camp are asking for. My guess is the CBJ are in 3-5, but thats just a guess

The only scenario I imagine where they are 3 mill apart is where Johansen is asking for 7 and the CBJ are at 4.

Let's just call it 5.5 for 2 years and make it a day.