I agree. I would have to think we offered around $4 million per year. That means Johansen is asking for around $7 million per year. If that is true, I would just go ahead and trade him if he doesn't agree to something a lot lower soon.
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I don't have a problem with what his agent is asking because you always ask high and end up negotiating down.
I was told it wasn't comparable in another thread, but Broussard getting $5 million/season really set the bar high for this deal. I don't care that Johansen is only signing his 2nd deal v Broussard's 3rd. Joey scored more goals and had more points in a season then Broussard did and he is better at ES/PP/PK and in the FO circle.
His agent has every right to ask for over $6 million/season based on other deals being signed.
He can ask for whatever he wants. He shouldn't get anything close to what he is asking for.
Also, you can't compare the two. How long you have been in the NHL and what you made on your last contract matters. Ryan has had one good season and his AAV was a little less than $2 million on his last contract. He is crazy if he is asking for $7 million plus. The Jackets are crazy if they are offering $3 million or less.
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you have to wonder, are the jackets offering 3m a year and joey wants 6 or if jackets are offering 5 and he wants 8...
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yeah, i was just throwing out random numbers...but two totally different ways for fans to look at it...in first, CBJ lowballing, in second, Player inflating his worth...
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That's assuming that Johansen continues to improve or even stays the same.
I'm not ready to make that assumption. It's entirely possible that Johansen regresses and we never see him become a #1 center.
Johansen has no idea how good he is and hasn't ever since his hockey career started. At first it was people having to hold his hand and tell him he can be so much better. Now it's people having to bring him back down to reality.
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JD/JK will win this round. It will be interesting to see how Joey responds. Will he sulk or step up and make them pay the next time around?
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If Skinner is worth almost $ 6 million per season, Dubinski worth over $5 million per season and Brassard is worth $5 million per season, then Johansen is worth at least $6 million per year.
He's not going to regress much if any. It took him two horrible years to develop, but he did. I had him in the "bust" category and I've never been so wrong about a player. Watching him in isolation often times last season, I was in awe of how good he actually is.
33 goals...11th in the NHL...as a 21 year old....playing a lot with Umberger! A two way center with size and a bit of an edge who can be used comfortably in any situation.
No player signing his 2nd contract will get a full NMC. Towes, Kane, Subban (his 3rd deal) don't/didn't have any restrictions on movement. Skinner's deal in years 5 & 6 has some restriction, but it's the only one I've seen with any.
Trading Johansen for good assets even if he regresses to 50 points wouldn't be a problem a year or two down the line. I'd put the chances of him regressing to 50 points at less than 10%. So long as the CBJ don't include a significant NMC clause in a contract, the level of risk is very limited. Probably just injury risk.
It's only August and something will be worked out. The Jackets would be best advised to follow the approach various teams took with Toews, Kane, Skinner, Doughty, Hedman, etc. rather than the Canadiens tactics with Subban.
Unless they want to be paying Johansen $9-10 million/year or so in 2 years. In that case, Johansen will applaud their generosity. The Jackets will be paying Johansen at least $5 million/year for the next 2 years. They may as well bite the bullet and pay him an additional $1 million per year and lock him up for the next 6 years for a reasonable price.
Or Jarmo can save the team's salary cap space for his next Horton-type, pay $6 million-for-a-wasted-year UFA.
He's not going to regress much if any. It took him two horrible years to develop, but he did. I had him in the "bust" category and I've never been so wrong about a player. Watching him in isolation often times last season, I was in awe of how good he actually is.
33 goals...11th in the NHL...as a 21 year old....playing a lot with Umberger! A two way center with size and a bit of an edge who can be used comfortably in any situation.
No player signing his 2nd contract will get a full NMC. Towes, Kane, Subban (his 3rd deal) don't/didn't have any restrictions on movement. Skinner's deal in years 5 & 6 has some restriction, but it's the only one I've seen with any.
Trading Johansen for good assets even if he regresses to 50 points wouldn't be a problem a year or two down the line. I'd put the chances of him regressing to 50 points at less than 10%. So long as the CBJ don't include a significant NMC clause in a contract, the level of risk is very limited. Probably just injury risk.
It's only August and something will be worked out. The Jackets would be best advised to follow the approach various teams took with Toews, Kane, Skinner, Doughty, Hedman, etc. rather than the Canadiens tactics with Subban.
Unless they want to be paying Johansen $9-10 million/year or so in 2 years. In that case, Johansen will applaud their generosity. The Jackets will be paying Johansen at least $5 million/year for the next 2 years. They may as well bite the bullet and pay him an additional $1 million per year and lock him up for the next 6 years for a reasonable price.
Or Jarmo can save the team's salary cap space for his next Horton-type, pay $6 million-for-a-wasted-year UFA.
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this statement doesn't make any sense but even if it did, who are you to say what johansen knows and thinks? Not to mention making assumptions about his thought process throughout his ENTIRE hockey career? And what is this garbage about "bringing him back to reality?" I'm ashamed that after a dominant season and playoffs "fans" like you are slandering this kid for no reason other than his agent is doing his job.
Maybe you should consider moving to Florida to watch derek Mackenzie plug away into obscurity since you obviously dislike watching winning and scoring
No joey and his agent are not delusional.
Did you watch the team last year or were you too busy tweeting from a fan account in the social suite?
A dominant number one center lead this franchise to its best ever season and its first ever playoff wins and you are whining that he shouldn't get paid. This thread is unreal.
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so crede can't say what he thinks is the thought process, but its ok for you to say that joey and his agent aren't delusional? do you know what they asked for? are you the nhl hockey insiderrreeerrrr?
it can't go both ways
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It's very reasonable to assume that he improves or stays the same. It's almost absurdly contrarian to project regression for a 21 year old who just broke out.
He's already become a #1 center for the this team.
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I don't believe he'll regress...but i also don't think its absurd for someone to think that he might...
You're so incredibly obnoxious, I don't even want to bother with you, but where did I ever say he shouldn't get paid?
I maintain that he's delusional if he's asking for $7 million. He can get "paid" by signing a $5 to $6 million contract.
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Perhaps I should have typed "an aggressively contrarian viewpoint."
I acknowledge that regression is a possibility albeit a very small one. BTW, for my purposes, if Johansen has 25 goals and 30 assists this coming season and plays good 2-way hockey, I wouldn't view that as regression.
Cede's comments that joey and his agent are delusional, has no basis in reality. Joeys agent sees first round picks being locked up to large deals and not accepting bridge contracts and is seeing record numbers for top centers. So hes not delusional hes just doing his job. The idea that a stud center should accept the first lowball offer hes given, and if he doesnt, the front office should then turn around and trade what just might be the best asset in franchise history....now that is delusional.
Im not a hockey insider but I do understand the basics of sports industry and know better than to overreact every time a portzline article about the contract process comes out.
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There is nothing "delusional" about a pro athletes or his agent trying to get the best possible deal. Its normal and Joey doesnt deserve to have his character bashed over what is essentially a normal part of the business side of hockey.
If you're asking for astronomical numbers that you know that the GM will never in a million years fork over, then it's a waste of time and a bad faith negotiation. There's a difference between "jumping at a low ball offer" and negotiating realistically. If Joey thinks he deserves Stamkos, Datsyuk, Sedin, Kopitar money, then he's going to be watching his teammates go through training camp from the Ice Haus bleachers.
(and again, remind me where I "bashed his character"
)If you're asking for astronomical numbers that you know that the GM will never in a million years fork over, then it's a waste of time and a bad faith negotiation. There's a difference between "jumping at a low ball offer" and negotiating realistically. If Joey thinks he deserves Stamkos, Datsyuk, Sedin, Kopitar money, then he's going to be watching his teammates go through training camp from the Ice Haus bleachers.
(and again, remind me where I "bashed his character"
Kane and Toews initial ask was reported as over $12 million per year. Were those bad faith, waste of time negotiations?
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